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Old 07-22-2012, 08:17 AM   #1 (permalink)
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Who has adapters for: 300tdi to NV4500 and NV4500 to LT230
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As a Tdi owner, junk the TDI and run a tweaked 4.0 RV8. With sensible fuel prices there's no sense running the tractor engine in the USA.
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As a Tdi owner, junk the TDI and run a tweaked 4.0 RV8. With sensible fuel prices there's no sense running the tractor engine in the USA.
The 4.0 is a piece of crap.

I can sell my extra adapter to you. $300

I think the nv is overkill for the 300 though.
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True I'd probably go 3.9 maybe stroked to 4.8. Either way I still do not understand the mentality to want to run a Tdi in the USA over a V8. The V8 sounds better, is lighter, probably lower centre of gravity and more powerful. Running a decent after market Efi setup it's probably not going to be all that different on fuel vs a tuned TDI.

I like tdi's but if you live in a country where it's actually viable to run a V8 it makes no sense.
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True I'd probably go 3.9 maybe stroked to 4.8. Either way I still do not understand the mentality to want to run a Tdi in the USA over a V8. The V8 sounds better, is lighter, probably lower centre of gravity and more powerful. Running a decent after market Efi setup it's probably not going to be all that different on fuel vs a tuned TDI.

I like tdi's but if you live in a country where it's actually viable to run a V8 it makes no sense.
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I like tdi's but if you live in a country where it's actually viable to run a V8 it makes no sense.
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Lol. You too.

I just don't have as much time as I used to and I get tired of the 'V8 is awesome brah" crap. Like it, great. STFU and leave someone else who wants the TDi alone.

The 3.9 and 4.0 rover engines are a marvel of engineering. How they managed to make so little HP and still get such shitty gas milage is miraculous.
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Lol. You too.

I just don't have as much time as I used to and I get tired of the 'V8 is awesome brah" crap. Like it, great. STFU and leave someone else who wants the TDi alone.

The 3.9 and 4.0 rover engines are a marvel of engineering. How they managed to make so little HP and still get such shitty gas milage is miraculous.
Who said they are marvellous or HP monsters??

But they do make more HP than a Tdi and can return similar mpg. So what real world advantage does a Tdi have?

Having a tdi through necessity is one thing... wanting one is pretty bonkers though.
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With all the hasle, its not worth running it!
Listen to Buckon, he's done about everything to get more power out of them, you'll spend lots of $ and not be unhappy with the results. Just build a tweeked 4.6, with that being said anymore power then you start breaking more shit that cost even more money, build up your axels first then go crazy with the drivetrain. Just my two cents!
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Who said they are marvellous or HP monsters??

But they do make more HP than a Tdi and can return similar mpg. So what real world advantage does a Tdi have?

Having a tdi through necessity is one thing... wanting one is pretty bonkers though.


They can't have similar MPG. Not even close. Ever. Stop trolling. The TDi is one of the best motors I have ever owned. If you want a V8, run one. And feel free to stop posting in every Tdi thread on here.
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I've had plenty of V8's and like the tdi over the 3.9 that ran very well I pulled out and where I live
when not working in Afghanistan it's ideal I was getting 22 mpg in town versus
13. Moab is an hour and twenty mins. from my house
Buck I will take your adapter. Can you Pm me so I can figure out how pay you from over here.
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....and can return similar mpg..
Come on... You really think anybody will listen to you after a stupid comment like that?
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They can't have similar MPG. Not even close. Ever. Stop trolling. The TDi is one of the best motors I have ever owned. If you want a V8, run one. And feel free to stop posting in every Tdi thread on here.
Sorry to upset your ever so sensitive side. But I AM a tdi owner!!! Owned several, modded them all, even blown one up!

And I do like them, but if the Tdi is seriously one of the best motors you've owned, then you've owned some pretty shit motors.


My 300Tdi D90 used to regularly do 21-23mpg (UK imperial) vs an old 3.5 twin carb V8 90 doing 15-17mpg. The V8 even in weazy trim is still faster and more powerful than the mildly tweaked Tdi.

Slap a decent EFI (Megasquirt) on the along with a couple of other tweaks and I suspect it'd easily do more like 18-20mpg. Which I think it pretty close to the Tdi.... and still out performing it. How many miles would you need to do a year to even break even running the diesel?

Not too mention while the RV8 is no HP monster, 200-240hp is pretty easy from them. While even cracking 150hp with a Tdi is a pipe dream for most.

Anyhow, reckon this is slightly off topic.


Is an NV4500 really needed, seems an expensive way to solve a problem that doesn't really exist.
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Come on... You really think anybody will listen to you after a stupid comment like that?
Only personal experience....

I use this often, it's my Uncles (although was my brothers before him) and I've driven it thousands of miles, long distance, short distance and off road competitions. Factory 3.5 V8 twin Stromberg, only mods are 1" lift and a custom stainless exhaust. It's not particularly fast, but it'll walk all over a Tdi 90 at any given speed. It does an honest 15-17mpg (highs of 19mpg), even in this inefficient carb state. Modernise it and I'm sure you could see an easy 10%+ gain in mpg.




I do admit a stock Tdi engine in a stock D90 would be more economical, a modded Tdi on a modded 90 less so - and that's my point.

I ran a mildly tweaked 300Tdi D90 for over 12,000 miles on fairly standard 235/85R16 BFG's. I genuinely did 21-23mpg (UK imperial).

I've also ran a more highly tuned 200Tdi for 30,000+ miles. Ok the Disco is heavier, but 19-22mpg was the norm. This is over two different physical engines as I broke one of them

What does diesel cost in the USA vs petrol/gas? In the UK diesel costs quite a bit more, so the pence per mile ratio isn't as huge as some would believe.

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Petrol doing 18mpg for 1000 miles would cost 343
Diesel doing 22mpg for 1000 miles would costs 302

And the petrol would still be the quicker vehicle.
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What a bunch of crap.... A modded TDI gets the same mileage as a stock TDI and gets the same mileage off road. How you could manage 21-23 mpg (imp) is beyond me. 26 mpg would be the absolute worst possible ever, modded and well into the 30s if you drive at normal speeds in a Defender. I keep very accurate mileage figures.

A Rover V8 on its best day ever could not get close to that. Even with your optimistic 18 mpg versus my worst 26, that is 44% better.... You are an idiot...

You obviously have not driven a properly modded TDI....
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I've just had a look at two vehicle I owned long term with accurate mileage numbers.

1991 D90, 200TDI, fueling and boost cranked up, 34"x11.5" tires, 26 mpgUK average.

1991 Disco, 3.5V8 EFI, stock, 31"x9.5" tires, 16 mpgUK average.

26/16 = 163% better mileage from a vehicle that should get worse. In reality a Disco TDI would do a solid 10% better making the mileage 80% better for the TDI.
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16mpg to 26 mpg is 62% better mileage not 163% which is still impressive.
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my 300tdi is tweaked and has a straight through exhaust and no matter how i drive it - its gets 26mpg
if i drive it like a grandad at a steady 55mph, it'll do 30mpg

prior to doing silly things with it - it ran standard boost and fuelling and had road tyres on, that made 2mpg difference to both the above figures. This is over 10 years and 70k miles.
There is no way in gods earth anyone can coax 20mpg out of a defender with a v8 - you would struggle to get that with the engine on tickover sat on the back of a recovery wagon!!!
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Who gives a SHIT.

Yeah his mileage claims are bold lies, but who cares.

If a guy wants to run a TDi. Sweet. Wants to run a V8 fine. I loved my TDi and it was fantastic for what I did with it. It's a reliable economic motor that straight gets it in nasty rocks due to the torque curve. It won't go 140. You need 140, don't buy a Tdi.

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Who gives a SHIT.

(snip) It's a reliable economic motor that straight gets it in nasty rocks due to the torque curve. (snip)
is the point, not the mileage...

Funny.
Almost everybody I know here would kill to drop a 4.6 off a P38 or any smaller Rover V8 in his Defender, and get rid of the turbodiesel engine.
Cross the pond, and see how this little tractor engine is appreciated...

I love mine, and bow to what David did with the yellow truck.
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Buck it's funny how these guys thing we want mustang engines in vehicles
that we want back country reliability in. I've built a Lot of V8 Land Cruisers
year's ago including one I owned, 350 SM465 designed the plate adapter with a machinist buddy. I've converted a few Disco's with tdi's and R380's and they love them and all get 22 MPG in town and up to 26 on the road unless they are doing 80. One is in a D2 for expedition trips. I was in Iraq in 08 and they still
had the Defenders from the invasion (SF) had them I worked on a lot of them
they were all Mil spec 300Tdi 5spd. and that engine never gave any problems
and if a SF solder can't break it it say's a lot, they blew plenty of Diff,s clutches and a few trannys.
I think with the NV I can get the low gear I want and takeout the defender T-case and put back a Disco case for better cruising at 65.
Plus i plan on putting in 4.11 axle gears with a Toyota e-locker in the rear.
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Who gives a SHIT.

Yeah his mileage claims are bold lies, but who cares.
fuck you wank stain. Why would I lie?? Not going to get anything from doing so am I
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I'm sure you are not lying. You either suck at math, are unable to properly record distance or fuel quantity, or your truck's injection system was completely fucked up.
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fuck you wank stain. Why would I lie?? Not going to get anything from doing so am I
Either you're lying, or an epic idiot. I was trying to be nice.
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