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Old 01-23-2002, 08:11 AM   #1 (permalink)
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LR Center Diff (part time conversion)

Okay guy's...Timm C. is planning to make a run on center diff pucks that will make our (semi) week LT230 full time center diff's part time.

However, I'm getting close to pulling my center diff, and still no word from Timm (busy guy). Is there any other option out there (other than making a lincon locker out of it)? I pinged Aschroft about it, and they do have something, but they werent' too specific...Plus I have questions about the strength of their unit (easy Merv!), and as usuall, they want way too much $ for it.

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Old 01-23-2002, 06:48 PM   #2 (permalink)
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how much is too much?
I'm gonna get one from timm pretty soon, and know he's working on others
when do you need one by?
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Old 01-23-2002, 09:26 PM   #3 (permalink)
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how much is too much?
I'm gonna get one from timm pretty soon, and know he's working on others
when do you need one by?

Well I've been chatting with Timm for about 8 months now (about the pucks). I haven't heard from him in a while, and was ASSuMEing that the product was stalled indefinitely. I'll give him a call and see where he's at with them...I know there's a growing calling for them...6 my last count.

I won't need it for at least 5-8 weeks. Sounds like a long time, but...

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Old 01-23-2002, 09:31 PM   #4 (permalink)
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LT-230 part-time 4wd

Hi Guys,

I'll probably be the one to answer a lot of the Timm Cooper questions on the board, since he seems to be working for me a lot lately, and I see him almost daily.

He has done 3 part-time conversions for the LT-230, one on his truck, one for Steven's Rangie, and one for my 145.

I can ask him when he's planning to do more and how much the parts are going to cost.

If anyone wants to correspond privately, feel free to e-mail me at:

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Old 01-23-2002, 09:35 PM   #5 (permalink)
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Hey Mikie!

Good seein' ya' man! Yea, find out, and post on the board. It's good info, and good for Timm too.

I get first dib's though!

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Old 01-23-2002, 10:06 PM   #6 (permalink)
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Hey Doug,

I knew I'd find you hiding out somewhere!

KC basically told the D90 list to F off, and started his own yahoo group. I hope it's better (it should be) than the Bonner fest.

Anyway, I'll sell you MY LT-230 with the conversion for 1K man! Hehe!

I just saw two of those 'pucks' as you call them tonight. They are SUUUUUWHHHEEEEEET! You'll love it.

He did the part-time conversion to my 80 incher with the LT-95 transmission in it. What a difference driving it makes!

A bunch of the PCRC club guys (some newbies, some 'hardcores') went out for a night run in the snow on Sat., and everyone was stuck in the snow. I found a large flat spot in the snow, put it in 2WD and did donuts for about 30 minutes while everyone else put chains on! Hehe. I didn't even air down! Burned about 5 gallons of gas with that little 283!

Anyway, it'll be worth the wait. The craftsmanship is typicall Timm. Damn good.

Hows your truck coming along??? My 145 has the engine installed, OD/tranny/t-case is hanging in place, and now it's on to get the drivelines made. The triple pass radiator is here and will go in soon. I could go on and on.

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Old 01-23-2002, 11:56 PM   #7 (permalink)
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Come awn!!! Just weld the thing up. Its only an old Landie after all.

But seriously (hey thats almost funny )

Michael, how does timm support the front output shaft in the centre diff. Does he run a bearing or bush or anything. When I did my lt95 (welded) I ran the front in a needly roller bearing and I was wondering if this was necessary. I may do a conversion to a lt230 (I probably will weld again) and if I dont have to run the bearing it will same a lot of mucking around.

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Old 01-24-2002, 07:51 AM   #8 (permalink)
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Hi,

Timm actually uses a sealed bearing to support the front output shaft.

You could weld everything up, but it wouldn't be as elegant (in Timm's opinion). He welded his own personal LT-230, but for customers and for any other conversions he is using a piece that is machined and has a bearing pressed in with splined outputs front and back.

He'll be at the shop later today.

Just in case no one knows the # there, it's 503-236-0101. I know Fred has kind of spread the # around, so me giving it again isn't a problem.

He comes in around 11 and stays until 1 or 2 (am).

The conversion looks very very nice.

If I could figure out how to post pics along with my messages I would.
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hey Slade, send those pics to me and I'll post em
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Old 01-25-2002, 08:06 AM   #10 (permalink)
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Well guys,

Crazy Uncle Freddy got his spool in his LT-230 last night making me totally jealous! I didn't even know you were getting one man! Way cool.

So, now Timm has one, Steven and Fred both have one, and I'll have one. I guess that means that there have been 4 done so far. Hmmm, cool. Math!

Mine was just sitting there waiting patiently for the cross-pin to be machined. I guess I'll get my chance next week. Hehe.

I didn't ask Timm about pricing, he looked like he was too deep in thought to worry about $$$, so I will ask later.

'Till then...

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Old 01-28-2002, 03:54 AM   #11 (permalink)
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Ashcroft wanted 100UKP more than a regular rebuilt LT230 for a "genuine" part time LT230.

It was like 475 + 100 for a core (non PT fine).

I was supposed to pick one up this past week in the UK but the F'in trains to Lutton were on strike so I never made it to ashcroft.

Oh well. I will go back.

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so I'm curious... Who make part time hubs to fit rover drive flanges?

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Old 01-28-2002, 08:08 PM   #13 (permalink)
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Oh heck, lesse...

US manufacturers are/were:

Warn, Dual-matic (weakest hubs ever made for LR's, don't be fooled by a LR decal on a Dual-matic hub, they were a dealer option, and junk), Thor, Selectro (now Mile-marker)

British manufacturers:

Fairey (now owned by Superwinch), AVM, MAP (strongest hubs ever made for LR's)

All of the above information is from Timm Cooper (he said he could go on for 30 minutes telling me how many different hubs there were, but those were the major ones).

For my projects I'm going to use Selectro hubs.

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Old 01-29-2002, 03:29 AM   #14 (permalink)
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Mike (and John),

The ones coop listed are correct BUT only for series trucks (6 bolt flange). You can find superwinch/milemarker PT hubs for 24 spline coil rover axles (5 bolt flange). There might be some more but those were the only ones I could find still in production.

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Hook me up with some part no's!

Thx.

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I'm on the MM site right now, and they only have hubs listed for the 6-bolt hub pattern.

Still looking for the 5-bolt...

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Old 01-29-2002, 09:03 AM   #17 (permalink)
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Hmmmm, Superwinch hubs are also 6-bolt.

Where is this mysterious 5-bolt freewheeling hub????

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Old 01-29-2002, 02:51 PM   #18 (permalink)
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5 Bolt locking hubs

Hi, delurking for a moment;

There used to be a company in France that made 5 bolt locking hubs for the very first 110's that where part-time 4x4. I have not seen there add in years. I had figured these where the hubs you guys where planning on using as I have not seen any others. Good luck.

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Well guys, here's my simple solution:

I'll keep the full time 4wd until such time that I get sick of investing in CVs for the front end. Then, I'll go ahead and do the Marbourg thing and jump on a 60 front and 70 or 14bolt rear. At the same time, I'll probably get 2 front 60s because I'll convert the D90 and the D110 to match. This solves the problem of sourcing hubs for the rover axles because I shouldn't need them at that point.

Fun part is that I may as well convert the rear of the 110 too so I can run the common wheels instead of the rover stuff. Or.. figure out how to put the rover hubs, rotors, and wheels on the outside of the dana stuff.. hmm....

Of course, I'll probably want to go for narrowed axles in order to get them to look right and match for both rigs. Damn, that's gonna be an expensive proposition..

Shoulda started looking into that from the start. Think how much money I coulda saved in front axles and CVs.. Or maybe I shoulda bought a heep or something where you just know from the start that you need to throw away everything except the grill and the steering wheel... to the heep guys!


Well, that developed into deep thoughts...

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hey I'm a heep guy and I resent that comment
not only am I keeping the steering wheel and grill, but also the Pedals!
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Mike,

I posted them on the D90 list a while back. I will keep digging

http://www.bearmach.com/acatalog/Onl...uipment_8.html

Here is the link to the AVM ones from Bearmach.

It even includes a transfer case PT conversion!

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http://www.avm.com.br/products4.htm

Here is a pic of the PT conversion kit and the PN for just the hubs.

I will bounce an email to Nathan and see how much it is from him.

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Ron,

Thanks for the info. VERY interesting.

I will stick with the Cooper part-time conversion rather than doing the AVM conversion (I think the Cooper one is a much better solution IMO).

But, the AVM hub information is interesting. I wonder how strong they are and how much they cost???

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Cool! You can still get them, I stand corrected. Dam, now I have to think about that option to.

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Old 01-31-2002, 12:47 AM   #25 (permalink)
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hi guys

DAP sells the AVM hubs and I spoke with them this morning. They don't have a price on the 24 spline 5-bolt hubs, in fact, it took him a minute to look it up.

They're basically a copy of the Warn hubs, and he said that he wasn't THAT impressed with them, but they have sold a few AVM hubs and the price was right.....

So, for my $$$ I'm doing the Selectro hubs with our special inner hub option.

Anyone going to gamble with the AVM hubs????

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