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Old 06-16-2005, 04:18 AM   #1 (permalink)
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Shiny balls vs Black balls

So, is there any reason I can not use chrome swivel balls on my 98 disco, which originally came with the black teflon coated swivel balls? Would I have to get any other parts that are different in order to use these, such as the swivel bearings, bushings, etc?

I have replaced these before but it has been so long I'm having a hard time remembering what exactly is in there, and the parts and WSMs are not much help, showing multiple choice parts.

In any case, before you banish me to newbie land, the reason I need this info is this: I'm doing Keith's toy axle conversion, and I need to know if I can use his cores for the swivel balls, or if I have to burn another week and more $$$ shipping and send my balls to him.

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Old 06-16-2005, 06:23 AM   #2 (permalink)
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Just guessing, I wouldn't think it would matter. Balls are Balls!

Seriously though... If I'm not mistaken basically a '98 disco front axles is the same as my '90 RRC front axle. I would bet their is little or no difference. If anything the teflon coated balls would be better, but not necessary in my opinion.

BTW, Kudos on the Toy Conversion.
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there are actually a lot of small differences between the '90 RRC axle and the '98 disco axle- ABS sensors, different spindles, hubs, calipers, etc but none of this should have a huge effect on what youre trying to do.

Are you going with the new super longfields that are all 30 spline?
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90-95 RRC with ABS have the same part number swivel balls as the 94-99 Disco I…Part # FTC5105
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Old 06-16-2005, 06:44 AM   #5 (permalink)
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My NAS discovery parts catalog shows two numbers for this part

FRC2644 (fitted up to 78L.... vin)
FTC5105 (fitted from ... vin)

neither vin pattern matches my vin with starts with SALJ

I was under the impression that the ONLY difference between these was chrome vs teflon coating. is that correct?
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I believe that there is no differencce. After a given VIN they were black.
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Not to throw a wrench in but, my 87 Classic which just got a new front end from a Disco has one black and one shiny ball... Seriously though... WTF?
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There is no dimension differance in the two balls. The teflon balls are just an upgrade, and help reduce leaks etc.
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Old 06-16-2005, 04:20 PM   #9 (permalink)
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Are you going with the new super longfields that are all 30 spline?
Yes--along with ARBs and 4.88s

hope it stays in one piece
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Yes--along with ARBs and 4.88s

hope it stays in one piece
I hope you don't like going over 70 MPH? This is what I am running and my top speed has dimenished significantly... Of course I tow now so it's not that big of a deal. If I were doing it again I would have gone with 4.56 gears.
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Mine's a trailer queen also. 55 will be fine for whatever short highway jaunts it will see.
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Aren't you worried about decreased R&P strength?

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That's why I went with 4.88s instead of 5.29s
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That's why I went with 4.88s instead of 5.29s
I ran 5.13s in a drag car... It was quick, but not very fast

(it would however, pull the wheels in all four gears until the ring gear grenaded)
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Is the pinion strength that much of an issue on the Toy centers as opposed to the rover diffs?
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As a general rule, the higher the gear, the stronger the ring and pinion. But you're right, compared to the Rover diff, any Toyota is going to be better. Hell, any Subaru is going to be better!
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Yes--along with ARBs and 4.88s

hope it stays in one piece
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... or if I have to burn another week and more $$$ shipping and send my balls to him.
My ex-wife tried to pull the same thing on me. I told her there she got enough damn money & there was no way she was getting my balls. Kept Rover, ditched ex-. Great deal (oh yeah & kept the balls too )
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Flesh colored?

What about flesh colored balls?



Sorry guys, I couldn't resist!
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Yes--along with ARBs and 4.88s

hope it stays in one piece
Are you using the toy center or rover center?

Reason I ask is you can get a complete toy center for just a little bit more then an ARB.

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If I'm not mistaken, LWG, Darkstar and Disco Dino are all running V6 Toyota open-style diffs with ARBs. Anybody else running E-lockers?

Speaking of Toyota diffs, is anyone running the new/bigger/stronger Taco diff yet? Toyota uses them in almost everything from the Tacoma to the Sequoia to the Land Cruiser now so it's pretty common. Same 8" ring gear (though it's different than the V6 diff) but a little bit larger bolt pattern and 10mm studs instead of 8mm. It's got a huge one-piece bearing cap. Same 30-spline axles too. ARB makes a locker for this as well.

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I'm going to run toy chunks, axles, and (in front) longfields inside the rover housing.

Speaking of the rover housing, I coulndn't believe how light it was. I was able to grab it and throw it up on my work bench by myself with minimal effort.
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I'm going to run toy chunks, axles, and (in front) longfields inside the rover housing.

Speaking of the rover housing, I coulndn't believe how light it was. I was able to grab it and throw it up on my work bench by myself with minimal effort.
Yeah not much to them.
Are you going to sleeve the inside of the tube?

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I hadn't planned on it. I really want to get the truck back on the trail before the summer goes away. I'm very prone to catching shipfitters disease, so I'm trying to keep this project on track and on schedule, which is to be done next weekend.

Interesting thought though. Anyone done it? What size tube will fit in there, anyway?
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Interesting thought though. Anyone done it? What size tube will fit in there, anyway?
Mal Story from Maxi-Drive used to do this mod but doesn't now. He said that it adds a lot of weight but not much extra strength.

For rovers with big heavy diesels (which are known for bending the front axle) - he now just uses external strengthening.
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