WARN 'fuseable' hubs - Pirate4x4.Com : 4x4 and Off-Road Forum

Diesel Jim · 03-21-2002, 09:01 AM

I got the new WARN catalogue the other day, and in it , they show a nice fuseable hub to save the CV joints, but they were all for jeeps and the like,anyone any idea if they make them for LR's?

or if they can be modified to fit?

Jamie

muskyman · 03-21-2002, 10:37 AM

i used to blow up hubs before I went to internal style.

about half the time a hub let go it took something else with it on the rebound.

some times a stub would shatter, some times a axle yoke would change shapes even had a pinion shear off.

the idea of putting a fusable link in the sytem IMHO is like sayhing you are only going to dry fire your compound bow once in awhile.

stored energy needs to be released in a controlled manner or it will do damage down the lin e some where.

some ideas seam smart on the surface and dum after its been tried

IMHO fusable hubs are one of those ideas

Strange Rover · 03-21-2002, 01:17 PM

I dont think they would be much use on a rig with front CV. In theory if could protect the cv under a pure one time overload but I think that with the cv that is seeing lots of hard work will start to fatigue and it would still fail at a lower stress than what the fuses would. So I think that with the fuses you would still break the cvs before the fuse. Unless you could get the fuse to fatigue likea cv does.

Sam

rhills · 03-21-2002, 03:36 PM

From what I read, the warn fuseable hubs are designed to let go before a u-joint when the steering is at full lock. The hub thus lets go way before it needs to when the wheels are straight ahead. I have read that these hubs have let go when climbing straight hills under not very high loading conditions.

Serious One · 03-21-2002, 09:33 PM

I'm curious which Warn cataloge you just got? I just got the 2002 cataloge directly from the printer 2 days ago, and they haven't even been shipped out to the big wigs internally at Warn.

Anyway, I'm not a big 'hub fuse' fan, probably because I don't understand how they work, and why you'd actually want to build in something that would break. IMO, you might want to make sure that the pieces you use either won't break, or you contain yourself to drive within the limits of the equipment you have. Buying a hub fuse might be a good idea for the Jeepers though. Much easeir to change the fuse than the UJ (which they do *all* the time).

There is no current Warn hub built for either a 6-bolt or a 5-bolt Land Rover pattern. IF you want hubs, you'll either have to go Milemarker (AVM), or source some old series hubs and make some kind of conversion like I'm going to do on the S1 and 145.

When you get the 2002 application guide (the big thick one), be sure and look very carefully at the trucks inside. You might find a surprize or two!

Michael

Diesel Jim · 03-22-2002, 01:05 AM

hmmmm..... looks like i'll just keep my solid hubs!

Hey Mike.... can;t remember where i got the catalogue from, some cool bloke sent it me in the post!

cheers for the jacket too!!! smart!!

Jamie

MichaelG · 11-22-2005, 02:24 AM

GKN makes (or made) a replacement drive flange for 110s, which is designed to yield when a shock load is applied. It has a sort of build-in clutch which slips slightly under abnormal torques. Apparently adjustable.

Does anyone know if these re still available? I can't find any info on them.

I like the idea of these - the problem with hub fuses like Warn's is that when they fail, the torque released is immediately available at the other wheels, and so it can just break something there instead.

Regards,

Michael...

red90rover · 11-22-2005, 07:41 AM

Made....

They stopped making those many years ago.

Serious One · 11-22-2005, 08:41 AM

Quit resurrecting 3 year old threads.

03-21-2002, 09:01 AM	#1 (permalink)
Diesel Jim Registered User Join Date: Jan 2002 Member # 9426 Location: a word to describe where something is Posts: 364	WARN 'fuseable' hubs I got the new WARN catalogue the other day, and in it , they show a nice fuseable hub to save the CV joints, but they were all for jeeps and the like,anyone any idea if they make them for LR's? or if they can be modified to fit? Jamie

03-21-2002, 01:17 PM	#3 (permalink)
Strange Rover Registered User Join Date: Nov 2001 Member # 7962 Location: Australia Posts: 1,462	I dont think they would be much use on a rig with front CV. In theory if could protect the cv under a pure one time overload but I think that with the cv that is seeing lots of hard work will start to fatigue and it would still fail at a lower stress than what the fuses would. So I think that with the fuses you would still break the cvs before the fuse. Unless you could get the fuse to fatigue likea cv does. Sam __________________ Land Rover SIIa, 302W, NP435, NP205, MOG404s, 42in Swamper TSLs, 112in WB "An expert is somebody who learns more and more about less and less until one day they know absolutely everything about nothing." Outerlimits4x4.com - home of aussie rock crawling.

11-22-2005, 02:24 AM	#7 (permalink)
MichaelG Registered User Join Date: Nov 2005 Member # 61523 Posts: 2	Drive-flange clutch from GKN? GKN makes (or made) a replacement drive flange for 110s, which is designed to yield when a shock load is applied. It has a sort of build-in clutch which slips slightly under abnormal torques. Apparently adjustable. Does anyone know if these re still available? I can't find any info on them. I like the idea of these - the problem with hub fuses like Warn's is that when they fail, the torque released is immediately available at the other wheels, and so it can just break something there instead. Regards, Michael...

11-22-2005, 07:41 AM	#8 (permalink)
red90rover Granite Guru Join Date: Jun 2003 Member # 20109 Location: Calgary Posts: 976	Made.... They stopped making those many years ago. __________________ 1991 D90 ex-MOD

11-22-2005, 08:41 AM	#9 (permalink)
Serious One Registered User Join Date: Dec 2001 Member # 8768 Location: Utahr Posts: 4,054	Quit resurrecting 3 year old threads. __________________ Michael

03-21-2002, 10:37 AM	#2 (permalink)
muskyman Registered User Join Date: Feb 2002 Member # 10335 Location: chicago area Posts: 261	i used to blow up hubs before I went to internal style. about half the time a hub let go it took something else with it on the rebound. some times a stub would shatter, some times a axle yoke would change shapes even had a pinion shear off. the idea of putting a fusable link in the sytem IMHO is like sayhing you are only going to dry fire your compound bow once in awhile. stored energy needs to be released in a controlled manner or it will do damage down the lin e some where. some ideas seam smart on the surface and dum after its been tried IMHO fusable hubs are one of those ideas

03-21-2002, 03:36 PM	#4 (permalink)
rhills Registered User Join Date: Jan 2002 Member # 9497 Location: Las Cruces, NM Posts: 123	From what I read, the warn fuseable hubs are designed to let go before a u-joint when the steering is at full lock. The hub thus lets go way before it needs to when the wheels are straight ahead. I have read that these hubs have let go when climbing straight hills under not very high loading conditions.

03-21-2002, 09:33 PM	#5 (permalink)
Serious One Registered User Join Date: Dec 2001 Member # 8768 Location: Utahr Posts: 4,054	I'm curious which Warn cataloge you just got? I just got the 2002 cataloge directly from the printer 2 days ago, and they haven't even been shipped out to the big wigs internally at Warn. Anyway, I'm not a big 'hub fuse' fan, probably because I don't understand how they work, and why you'd actually want to build in something that would break. IMO, you might want to make sure that the pieces you use either won't break, or you contain yourself to drive within the limits of the equipment you have. Buying a hub fuse might be a good idea for the Jeepers though. Much easeir to change the fuse than the UJ (which they do all the time). There is no current Warn hub built for either a 6-bolt or a 5-bolt Land Rover pattern. IF you want hubs, you'll either have to go Milemarker (AVM), or source some old series hubs and make some kind of conversion like I'm going to do on the S1 and 145. When you get the 2002 application guide (the big thick one), be sure and look very carefully at the trucks inside. You might find a surprize or two! Michael

03-22-2002, 01:05 AM	#6 (permalink)
Diesel Jim Registered User Join Date: Jan 2002 Member # 9426 Location: a word to describe where something is Posts: 364	hmmmm..... looks like i'll just keep my solid hubs! Hey Mike.... can;t remember where i got the catalogue from, some cool bloke sent it me in the post! cheers for the jacket too!!! smart!! Jamie

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