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ric7d90 · 11-28-2005, 04:50 PM

Can it be done ?

I don't think so, but before turning down a complete PTO winch I want to be certain.

Also, the same source as the Winch, has a genuine Rover PTO hydraulic pump !?! This is not the MD unit, it comes from a 127 that had a picker installed on it ?

Since this would be my second option, anybody know where I could get specs for it ?

Thanks

Eric

cptyarderho · 11-28-2005, 05:49 PM

dude-
4 post repeats-
get with the program, clean em up.

Pugsly · 11-28-2005, 06:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ric7d90

Can it be done ?

I don't think so, but before turning down a complete PTO winch I want to be certain.

Also, the same source as the Winch, has a genuine Rover PTO hydraulic pump !?! This is not the MD unit, it comes from a 127 that had a picker installed on it

Doesn't sound like what you have is a PTO winch, sounds like it is a hyrdaulic winch. Yes, you can run a hydraulic winch on a D90. You'll need to rig up the hydraulic pump with an AC clutch to run off the engine...

uninformed · 11-29-2005, 01:19 AM

if it is a pto hyd pump mabe its a superwinch? these also ran of the transfer case.
Maxi drive aslo makes pto's for shaft driven winch. i don't know about left hand drive, mabe this would be a problem as the output is on the left. what would be in the way down the inside left chassis rail?

do you have a winch or one in mind. i'm in the process of setting up a 9000lb hyd mile maker running off a Maxi-drive hyd pto.

i had an ex australian army pto on my s111 swb. It was huge,held 200ft of 1/2" steel cable, but only a rating of 6000lb(i think they were actually double this due to a 2-1 safety factor) it was great fun, pic 1st and adjust feed with throtle, 4th for pay in no load and reverse to pay out. the best part was the pto, it had a clutch in it set to 6000lb, if you reached this it would start clicking, just stop and address the problem and away you go no broken shear pins.

ibex · 11-29-2005, 01:29 AM

What gearbox is fitted ? then again you can fit a pto winch(this being a winch that works of the PTO point and not a capstan that runs off the front dog) on any 90 through to the current TD5 ( I have fitted them to TD5 the drive linkages are just a tad tight). It's just a matter of getting the right bits unless you intend to fit the winch under the rear floor and run it backwards then you have a problem with the NAS90 or TD5 of the fuel tank.

ric7d90 · 11-29-2005, 08:01 AM

Quote:

dude-
4 post repeats-
get with the program, clean em up.

Sorry, I had some network problems, could not even check back

Quote:

Doesn't sound like what you have is a PTO winch, sounds like it is a hyrdaulic winch. Yes, you can run a hydraulic winch on a D90. You'll need to rig up the hydraulic pump with an AC clutch to run off the engine...

They have both for sale, a complete Superwinch PTO (Driven mechanically) or a PTO hydraulic pump that I could use with any HYD winch

Quote:

do you have a winch or one in mind. i'm in the process of setting up a 9000lb hyd mile maker running off a Maxi-drive hyd pto.

I currently run an Electric Ramsey DC200 that I could easyly convert to hydraulic, it just needs quite a pump to be fast !

Quote:

Originally Posted by ibex

What gearbox is fitted ? then again you can fit a pto winch(this being a winch that works of the PTO point and not a capstan that runs off the front dog) on any 90 through to the current TD5 ( I have fitted them to TD5 the drive linkages are just a tad tight). It's just a matter of getting the right bits unless you intend to fit the winch under the rear floor and run it backwards then you have a problem with the NAS90 or TD5 of the fuel tank.

I have a 1994 NAS D90, V8, LT-77 LT-230 From looking under the following could be in the way : V8 Y-Pipes, SafariGuard 3-link crossmember, Steering Box ....

Some of those could be dealt with easyly (SG Crossmember) Others might be Harder.

When you talk about winch under the floor, how do you deal with the cable not rolling neatly on the drum ? Since NAS 90 have no rear bulkhead, I toght of setting the winch just behind the cubby box ?

ibex · 11-29-2005, 08:09 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ric7d90

I have a 1994 NAS D90, V8, LT-77 LT-230 From looking under the following could be in the way : V8 Y-Pipes, SafariGuard 3-link crossmember, Steering Box ....

Some of those could be dealt with easyly (SG Crossmember) Others might be Harder.

When you talk about winch under the floor, how do you deal with the cable not rolling neatly on the drum ? Since NAS 90 have no rear bulkhead, I toght of setting the winch just behind the cubby box ?

The pto shaft is jointed and runs down the left hand side so it would be a tight threading job but as you say not impossible.

As for rear winch in the back the distance between the winch behind the seats and fairlead at the rear cross member lets the winch generally self spoolthis is the way the Fores Ibex system works, but that then uses a couple of pulleys and a snatch block to run the winch cable to the front as well so it pull both ways.

uninformed · 11-29-2005, 12:20 PM

no probs getting a pump for your superwinch to run at a good speed.

something that might help the rope spooling correctly is a flat plate sitting ontop of the rope, inbetween the drum flanges, under compression (some springs etc). they use this set up on tilt tray tow trucks, seems to work well

serg

ric7d90 · 11-29-2005, 02:22 PM

So I guess we are back to the eternal question ..... HYD or Mecanical.

I already have the PTO and my Ramsey is easy to convert from Electrical to PTO. Should I buy the whole PTO Superwich set-up our just PTO shafts form the closest shop ?

I would prefeer to go mecanical and not worry about "oil". I will also give more tought to the "Central Winch" set-up since I like the IBEX way.
Right now, my problem is that the winch would be under the truck with no direct access, something tells me this is not a good idea.

Thanks for all the help.

red90rover · 11-29-2005, 02:30 PM

Have a good thought about how this would work if you want to do self recovery.

To get any decent winch speed the t. case needs to be in neutral. Do you want to be in neutral on the side of a steep hill?

Hydraulics run from the engine make much more sense for use in powering a self recovery winch. The PTO options are great ways to get lots of power for stationary applications or towed implements, but I see it as being too limitting for off road self winching.

uninformed · 11-30-2005, 12:59 AM

if using a pto shaft driven winch, correct winching requires you to be in neutral also. if you've become stuck on a hill your not going to get out and winch unless the vehicle is at rest. free spool out the cable, attach to recovery point, so now you are safe,with a little slack at worst. start winching. the reason for neutral is winching and wheel speeds don't match. but with lower gears these days, common sense and practice it still can be done safetly.

if set up well, both pto or hyd can be very good. i think it comes down to want you want. i already had pto on my s111 swb so i wanted to try something different on my d110. plus it lets me mount my winch a little higher for a better approach

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ric7d90 Registered User Join Date: May 2003 Member # 19445 Location: Montreal,Quebec,Canada Posts: 66	PTO Winch on NAS D90 Can it be done ? I don't think so, but before turning down a complete PTO winch I want to be certain. Also, the same source as the Winch, has a genuine Rover PTO hydraulic pump !?! This is not the MD unit, it comes from a 127 that had a picker installed on it ? Since this would be my second option, anybody know where I could get specs for it ? Thanks Eric __________________ Eric 94 NAS D-90 95 Discovery

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11-29-2005, 02:22 PM	#9 (permalink)
ric7d90 Registered User Join Date: May 2003 Member # 19445 Location: Montreal,Quebec,Canada Posts: 66	So I guess we are back to the eternal question ..... HYD or Mecanical. I already have the PTO and my Ramsey is easy to convert from Electrical to PTO. Should I buy the whole PTO Superwich set-up our just PTO shafts form the closest shop ? I would prefeer to go mecanical and not worry about "oil". I will also give more tought to the "Central Winch" set-up since I like the IBEX way. Right now, my problem is that the winch would be under the truck with no direct access, something tells me this is not a good idea. Thanks for all the help. __________________ Eric 94 NAS D-90 95 Discovery

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red90rover Granite Guru Join Date: Jun 2003 Member # 20109 Location: Calgary Posts: 976	Have a good thought about how this would work if you want to do self recovery. To get any decent winch speed the t. case needs to be in neutral. Do you want to be in neutral on the side of a steep hill? Hydraulics run from the engine make much more sense for use in powering a self recovery winch. The PTO options are great ways to get lots of power for stationary applications or towed implements, but I see it as being too limitting for off road self winching. __________________ 1991 D90 ex-MOD

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11-29-2005, 01:19 AM	#4 (permalink)
uninformed Rock God Join Date: Jan 2004 Member # 26821 Location: Gold Coast Australia Posts: 1,280	if it is a pto hyd pump mabe its a superwinch? these also ran of the transfer case. Maxi drive aslo makes pto's for shaft driven winch. i don't know about left hand drive, mabe this would be a problem as the output is on the left. what would be in the way down the inside left chassis rail? do you have a winch or one in mind. i'm in the process of setting up a 9000lb hyd mile maker running off a Maxi-drive hyd pto. i had an ex australian army pto on my s111 swb. It was huge,held 200ft of 1/2" steel cable, but only a rating of 6000lb(i think they were actually double this due to a 2-1 safety factor) it was great fun, pic 1st and adjust feed with throtle, 4th for pay in no load and reverse to pay out. the best part was the pto, it had a clutch in it set to 6000lb, if you reached this it would start clicking, just stop and address the problem and away you go no broken shear pins.

11-29-2005, 01:29 AM	#5 (permalink)
ibex Registered User Join Date: Nov 2005 Member # 62071 Location: English Lakes Posts: 58	What gearbox is fitted ? then again you can fit a pto winch(this being a winch that works of the PTO point and not a capstan that runs off the front dog) on any 90 through to the current TD5 ( I have fitted them to TD5 the drive linkages are just a tad tight). It's just a matter of getting the right bits unless you intend to fit the winch under the rear floor and run it backwards then you have a problem with the NAS90 or TD5 of the fuel tank.

11-29-2005, 12:20 PM	#8 (permalink)
uninformed Rock God Join Date: Jan 2004 Member # 26821 Location: Gold Coast Australia Posts: 1,280	no probs getting a pump for your superwinch to run at a good speed. something that might help the rope spooling correctly is a flat plate sitting ontop of the rope, inbetween the drum flanges, under compression (some springs etc). they use this set up on tilt tray tow trucks, seems to work well serg

11-30-2005, 12:59 AM	#11 (permalink)
uninformed Rock God Join Date: Jan 2004 Member # 26821 Location: Gold Coast Australia Posts: 1,280	if using a pto shaft driven winch, correct winching requires you to be in neutral also. if you've become stuck on a hill your not going to get out and winch unless the vehicle is at rest. free spool out the cable, attach to recovery point, so now you are safe,with a little slack at worst. start winching. the reason for neutral is winching and wheel speeds don't match. but with lower gears these days, common sense and practice it still can be done safetly. if set up well, both pto or hyd can be very good. i think it comes down to want you want. i already had pto on my s111 swb so i wanted to try something different on my d110. plus it lets me mount my winch a little higher for a better approach