Toyota Axles??

[madcowdungbeetle]

I was talking to a friend of mine the other day about swapping out axles on the Disco so I could run some 35-36's, and the idea of swapping in some toyota axles came up. I've done several searches on POR about the strength of the toyota axles and the consensus seems to be, they are just as strong as a D44. I read a comparison of them being between a D44 and a D60, but since I have no first hand experience with either axle I'm not gonna say its one way or another. They also have the removable 3rd member which is nice and bigger 30-something spline axles, and I'm sure they have to have stronger gears then the Rovers do. Hell, the Toyota guys are running 38's!

I know the birfields are a weak point, but I have a feeling that stock birfields are probably much stronger than Rover CVs, and the Longfields are far stronger still. I like the idea of running the birfs b/c it should allow me to keep the full-time 4wd, I'm guessing on this, but it seems like it would work.

I'm sorry if any info I have or any conclusions I've drawn are wrong(Don't wanna pull a Perrone), if it is maybe some of the Toyota guys can set me straight. I've read waaay to many of the D44 vs Toyota threads. The only thing I'm not entirely sure if which Toyota axle would be the best to swap in, I thinking some Cruiser axles, FJ60?

I'm a newbie to the whole axle swap thing, never done one before, but I gotta start somewhere!! And I'm sure as hell not gonna buy the WAY over priced GBR stuff only to have it break .

What do ya'll think of this idea, any good, or am I

Thanks for reading my essay, test will be on Monday
-Jon

[Jtisdale]

Dungbeetle,

Toyota solid axle PUs have stronger front birfs than the cruisers do from what I hear.

What mods have you tried that you feel don't work?

Johnathan

[road1will]

cool idea. and the BEST part is that the only way the average rover-asshole will be able to tell the difference between the rovers and the toys is the 6 lug pattern

IMO though i would go with FJ80 Land Cruiser diffs/axles. they are more expensive but they are high pinion and a lot of them had factory lockers f/r.

look for the crusiers from the early to the late 90s with the big flares and the curvy bodies. im sure you know which ones im talking about.

go for it! any axle is better than a rover axle!

[TonyN]

Toy rear axle has a central diff, dunno how this will affect t/case alignment?

I run a hot Rover 3.5lt V8 and 35x16" boggers in my 81' Toyota Hilux and hav'nt busted a birf yet. (kinda opposite what you wanna do ) Everyone else on here seems to eat birfs for breakfast. I think you'll start braking them with T/case doublers/marlins etc.

[Jtisdale]

9v,



"average rover-asshole ...go for it! any axle is better than a rover axle!"

What's up dude?!! There you go again callin' people names. But you're right about the Toy axles, I'm sure the last time you broke a cruiser C-clip axle you got home just fine. But then again, you are what? 14 so I'm sure you've had tons of driving experience in order to snap all those crappy rover axles!

Johnathan

[road1will]

and maybe youd like to tell the board how much money you have paid for all of your worthless GBR shit?

i may be young but im not stupid... wow break a cruiser c-clip axle... but you know what? because they are equal length in the back you only have to carry ONE SPARE

and you know there ARE things called FULL FLOAT CONVERSION KITS.

you are exactly the type of person i would describe as an average rover-asshole. you give GBR way too much money and more importantly CREDIT, believe everything they say, because...

IT MUST BE THE BEST CAUSE LAND ROVER DESIGNED IT AND WE ALL KNOW THAT LAND ROVER IS THE BEST 4X4XFAR!!!!!!

why dont you go call RoverNorth and buy some overpriced genuine part... why? because theyre ROVERS NORTH!!! they MUST know what theyre talking about!!!

and to sum up my reply, i give you an onslaught of rolleyes smilies

[FrankenRover]

I just went out and measured the my 4runner axles and they are about 56-57" from wheel mounting surface to surface. And on the D90 they are about 62" from wheel to wheel. Don't forget that alot of the Toyota axles have drum rear brakes as well (unlike the D90/Disco/RR discs).

Anyway, thought this might help,

Blister

[road1will]

Originally posted by BillnSandi
And on the D90 they are about 62" from wheel to wheel.

hmmmmm- might want to measure the bare axles you have for the 110. rover axles (coiler ones) are typically about 57" WMS-WMS also.

[FrankenRover]

Not sure where you got your info, but on my D90 (a 97) and the Disco axles (a 95) on the 110 they are almost exactly 62" from WMS to WMS.

54" from inside of one disc brake to the other, plus 4" each side from inside of disc surface out to the WMS.

In fact for an early 110 (with 23 spline CV's), the front WMS to WMS would be about 1" wider because of the slightly wider hubs.

If you would like, I can snap a pict of the measurement if you are still a non-believer.

Blister

[road1will]

Originally posted by BillnSandi
If you would like, I can snap a pict of the measurement if you are still a non-believer.

actually if that isnt too much work it would be appreciated.

[FrankenRover]

Here is the first pict. of the width of the axle from inside surface of the disc brake to inside surface of disc brake. It measures 53 1/2".

Blister

[FrankenRover]

Here is the pict. of the width of the hub from the inner surface of the disc to the WMS. That measurment is 4 1/4".

Sooooo, 53 1/2" plus 4 1/4" plus 4 1/4" equals 62" from WMS to WMS.

Hope this helps,

Blister

[RockRover]

Boy...That sure quieted down the Reformed One didn't it?

[road1will]

Originally posted by RockRover
Boy...That sure quieted down the Reformed One didn't it?

nope i was just thinking of a nice way to say "thanks Bill, im a dumbass, i just didnt think that rover axles were that wide"

now wheres the *wiping egg from face* smilie?

[rustycruiser]

Rovers have a a passenger offset rear, right? If so, you would be better off running Land Cruiser than mini truck axles. Cruiser diffs have a 9.25" ring gear versus the 8" of the mini truck. What width axle do want to run. FJ40 axles are 57" front, 56" rear. FJ60 are 60". FJ80s are 63". You would want a 76 plus FJ40 axle--prior to that they had front drums. 1976-1978 were 4.11 R&P, 1979-1987 were 3.73, 1987-1997 were 4.11 again. In 1978, the pinions switched from 10 spline (weaker) to 30 spline. The birfs in 1976-1978 are slightly smaller than 1979-1990, which are same size as mini truck ones. You can run Longfields in any of them. 1991-1997 are freaking huge birfields. 1991 to 1990 FJ80s have a reverse cut mini truck diff, and 1993-1997 came with a disc brake, full floater rear. All previous Cruisers diffs were interchangeable front and rear. Electric lockers were an option from 1993-1997 in the 80 series. The rear FJ80 locker can be retrofitted to the front of previous Cruisers pretty easily. To retrofit to an earlier Cruiser rear requires a full floater conversion.

Hope this is clear, yell if you need any clarification.

Ross

[rustycruiser]

Forgot to add that cruiser axles are 30 spline, and have a 1.31" diameter. 40 and 60 series are set up for leaves, 80 series were coil sprung.

[Jtisdale]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by 9-Volt

you are exactly the type of person i would describe as an average rover-asshole. you give GBR way too much money and more importantly CREDIT, believe everything they say, because...

What type of response do you expect, this is after all, the rover forum. I never said GBR or any Rover aftermarket product was the best option, that was your immature conclusion. People like Doug, Sam, and Way are out there pushing the envelope of new design and I like it. There are current rover options that work, and I'm not saying they are indestructable. You may think GBR products are junk and that I paid too much for them, but they have held up for me in Tellico, Monteagle, Montrose, and Las Cruces. You can make this a Rover purist argument if you want while you sit around with all of your theory, but I'm going out to wheel.

Johnathan

[Diesel Jim]

heh heh heh.....good one there Johnathan!

Jamie (Also going out wheeling, WITH GBR axles!)

[tbmcneill]

Tiz, I think I'll join you for a little "GBR wheeling"-
Troy

[FrankenRover]

Welcome Troy, you fawkin newbie!!!

[madcowdungbeetle]

I appreciate everyones imput. Rustycruiser, thanks for all the info, Blister thanks for the measurements, I owe ya'll some I'm thinking some FJ60 w/ 1" spacers or FJ80 axles should do the trick. Anyone know what a good price on a complete axle is for the FJ60 & FJ80? Thanks,

Jon

[Jtisdale]

Mcneill-

Good to see ya! Welcome!

Johnathan

[rustycruiser]

Mudcow,
I have seen 60 series axles run from $400 a pair upwards. You gotta look though, cause the FJ40 guys like to pirate them for the extra width for their trucks. Beware that the extra width compared to the FJ40 axle was all added to the long side of the axle. I don't "think" it would be a problem with your coul mounts, but FJ40 owned have to get creative to clear the short side leaf mount as it wants to be in the same area as the diff is. FJ60 axles are 3.73 1980-1987. FJ62 are 4.11 1987-1990. FJ80 axles will probably be more expensive, due to the newerness of the trucks. Not too many of thm being parted out. As far as finding them. Post an add in the Wanted or TLC section. There are also some othere LC lists around the internet. I can email them to you, if needed. HTH

Ross