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DiscoDino · 02-06-2006, 05:54 AM

Well,

Since I'm ditching the WHOLE interior, thought I'd need the following:

1. RPM
2. Oil Pressure
3. Water Temp
4. Fuel Capacity
5. Voltmeter
All are the 2 5/8 size in order to put them in pods hanging from the roof (if possble)

Questions:
A. Anything else as VITAL? strictly VITAL?
B. Any reliable, cheap (no bling, reliable) brands/sources?
C. Any specific specifications I need to highlight (electrical gauges)

Thanks.

tobbjo · 02-06-2006, 10:53 AM

Well, since you already raised concern about auto box cooling I'd rate auto box oil temp higher than engine oil press.

T

sachilles · 02-06-2006, 12:21 PM

mechanical vs electrical.
You won't want a mechanical oil pressure guage going to the roof of your truck.

I've had good luck with http://www.egauges.com/ and summit and jegs also stock guages.
I think you'll be fine with most name brand guages.
Between the rover, mini and audi, I have quite a few aftermarket guages, and I haven't had one fail....and some are pretty damn cheap.

I think you could go with a smaller guage pack and pod for oil pressure, volts, and coolant temp...then they come in a three gauge pod. I'd work in a oil pressure dummy light.

Old Scout · 02-06-2006, 12:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tobbjo

Well, since you already raised concern about auto box cooling I'd rate auto box oil temp higher than engine oil press.

T

I'd ditch the voltmeter for a light and keep the engine oil pressure first!

sachilles · 02-06-2006, 12:38 PM

this isn't cheap, but it can do all you want and can be mounted to your cage
http://www.egauges.com/vdo_mult.asp?...elliDash&Cart=

DiscoDino · 02-06-2006, 12:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sachilles

this isn't cheap, but it can do all you want and can be mounted to your cage
http://www.egauges.com/vdo_mult.asp?...elliDash&Cart=

400USD without the senders, no thanks.

DiscoDino · 02-06-2006, 12:43 PM

Cool - thanks, got the idea about the priority, maybe I'll do it as a light for the volt as Scout said...

Are the senders on the Rover "special" or can I use any common sender from egauges?

wilsby · 02-06-2006, 02:57 PM

If your'e doing a diesel swap you net an EGT. Top priority for a tuned diesel in hot climate.

DiscoDino · 02-06-2006, 03:31 PM

Yeah, have thought of that too...

Can I piggy back another question?
What is the use of circuit breakers, could they be used as fuses? Ideally, I'd like to have a huge flat space in teh middle of the dash (taking out the stock dahs, heater and A/C condensor) with the countoura switches and fuses above each for easy maintenance, along with a start button and kill switched for the major components including a master kill switch. Would circuit breakers do the job of fuses but act in a much simpler manner?

lwg · 02-06-2006, 07:20 PM

Assuming it's a Turbo Diesel here's what I would do in order of importance:

Oil Pressure (Gauge or light)
EGT
Water temp
Tranny temp
Boost
RPM
Voltmeter
Fuel gauge
Speedo?? Maybe not necessary if not street driven.

Just my opinion. Keep the vitals up front and visible!!

PTSchram · 02-07-2006, 05:54 AM

Given the propensity for Rover alternators to fail, I consider the voltmeter to be pretty important. While I like having a real oil pressure gauge, the light would serve this purpose better than for voltage monitoring-unless you had a comparator that would have a light for >12VDC and another for <12VDC.

For ease of installation, I prefer electrical gauges, recognizing their inherent shortcomings. As for brands, I'm an Autometer man.

Do we really need the huge tach the Discos have? For that matter, do we REALLY need a tach at all? I'm thinking a tach from a Defender would fit my purposes much better.

Lastly, if one is mounting the gauges somewhat out of the line of sight, it makes great sense to put an oil idiot light somewhere it can't be missed, perhaps one of those big-ass Autometer lights right on the top of the dash would be wise.

PT

DiscoDino · 02-07-2006, 07:08 AM

Cool - but thing is, I won't have a dash per say...its gonna be a flat sheet of alum on a 1" tube frame with a MASSIVE cubby box.

The 2 1/16 gauges I am NOW interested in would be in pods and in the center, all electrical with countoura switches running down the center as well.

Since no heater/AC, was thinking of putting the batteries in the middle under the dash, so amid both winches (which is better i guess).

I'm such an electrical dweeb and I already hate it, so I'm not too comfy with these things...

Any thoughts of fuses vs. circuit breakers?

02-06-2006, 05:54 AM	#1 (permalink)
DiscoDino Rock God Join Date: Nov 2002 Member # 15296 Location: Lebanon/Dubai Posts: 2,178	Gauges Well, Since I'm ditching the WHOLE interior, thought I'd need the following: 1. RPM 2. Oil Pressure 3. Water Temp 4. Fuel Capacity 5. Voltmeter All are the 2 5/8 size in order to put them in pods hanging from the roof (if possble) Questions: A. Anything else as VITAL? strictly VITAL? B. Any reliable, cheap (no bling, reliable) brands/sources? C. Any specific specifications I need to highlight (electrical gauges) Thanks. __________________ '92 Land Rover Disco truggy: Beadlocked 42" Iroks, V8, ZF, dual cases, ARBs, Longfielded, M8274-50s with ropes, etc... '98 Land Rover Discovery: 29" BFG ATs '02 D90 TD5 ST: 33" BFG ATs '91 Defender 110: Build in progress '07 BMW G650X Challange: Interco Terraflex 29" rear tire

02-06-2006, 10:53 AM	#2 (permalink)
tobbjo Registered User Join Date: Dec 2002 Member # 15924 Location: Gnesta, Sweden Posts: 464	Well, since you already raised concern about auto box cooling I'd rate auto box oil temp higher than engine oil press. T __________________ [url]www.hotchallenge.se[/url] "Road salt is like the automotive equivalent of chain smoking unfiltereds and guzzling Jack Daniels...might make ya feel good for awhile, but there's shit going on inside that you don't want to see." ProsQtor

02-06-2006, 12:21 PM	#3 (permalink)
sachilles Registered User Join Date: Mar 2003 Member # 17655 Location: Central Vermont Posts: 797	mechanical vs electrical. You won't want a mechanical oil pressure guage going to the roof of your truck. I've had good luck with http://www.egauges.com/ and summit and jegs also stock guages. I think you'll be fine with most name brand guages. Between the rover, mini and audi, I have quite a few aftermarket guages, and I haven't had one fail....and some are pretty damn cheap. I think you could go with a smaller guage pack and pod for oil pressure, volts, and coolant temp...then they come in a three gauge pod. I'd work in a oil pressure dummy light. __________________ sachilles -87 Range Rover -61 Morris Mini -97 Audi A4 1.8tq and an 81 Cj-8 project

02-06-2006, 12:38 PM	#5 (permalink)
sachilles Registered User Join Date: Mar 2003 Member # 17655 Location: Central Vermont Posts: 797	this isn't cheap, but it can do all you want and can be mounted to your cage http://www.egauges.com/vdo_mult.asp?...elliDash&Cart= __________________ sachilles -87 Range Rover -61 Morris Mini -97 Audi A4 1.8tq and an 81 Cj-8 project

02-06-2006, 12:43 PM	#7 (permalink)
DiscoDino Rock God Join Date: Nov 2002 Member # 15296 Location: Lebanon/Dubai Posts: 2,178	Cool - thanks, got the idea about the priority, maybe I'll do it as a light for the volt as Scout said... Are the senders on the Rover "special" or can I use any common sender from egauges? __________________ '92 Land Rover Disco truggy: Beadlocked 42" Iroks, V8, ZF, dual cases, ARBs, Longfielded, M8274-50s with ropes, etc... '98 Land Rover Discovery: 29" BFG ATs '02 D90 TD5 ST: 33" BFG ATs '91 Defender 110: Build in progress '07 BMW G650X Challange: Interco Terraflex 29" rear tire

02-06-2006, 02:57 PM	#8 (permalink)
wilsby Registered User Join Date: Feb 2003 Member # 17053 Location: Stockholm, Sweden Posts: 942	If your'e doing a diesel swap you net an EGT. Top priority for a tuned diesel in hot climate. __________________ Christer Wilsby Range Rover 4.6 Vogue 2001 - still shiny Defender 110 CSW Td5 2001 - expedition/radical family wheeling Suzuki LJ80 1982 - "Standard" trialer Volvo C304/Tgb 13 6X6, portals, on 35" - stocker "Grammar is the body language of the internet." The Pendy

02-06-2006, 03:31 PM	#9 (permalink)
DiscoDino Rock God Join Date: Nov 2002 Member # 15296 Location: Lebanon/Dubai Posts: 2,178	Yeah, have thought of that too... Can I piggy back another question? What is the use of circuit breakers, could they be used as fuses? Ideally, I'd like to have a huge flat space in teh middle of the dash (taking out the stock dahs, heater and A/C condensor) with the countoura switches and fuses above each for easy maintenance, along with a start button and kill switched for the major components including a master kill switch. Would circuit breakers do the job of fuses but act in a much simpler manner? __________________ '92 Land Rover Disco truggy: Beadlocked 42" Iroks, V8, ZF, dual cases, ARBs, Longfielded, M8274-50s with ropes, etc... '98 Land Rover Discovery: 29" BFG ATs '02 D90 TD5 ST: 33" BFG ATs '91 Defender 110: Build in progress '07 BMW G650X Challange: Interco Terraflex 29" rear tire

02-06-2006, 07:20 PM	#10 (permalink)
lwg Registered User Join Date: May 2002 Member # 12044 Location: Portland, OR Posts: 2,237	Assuming it's a Turbo Diesel here's what I would do in order of importance: Oil Pressure (Gauge or light) EGT Water temp Tranny temp Boost RPM Voltmeter Fuel gauge Speedo?? Maybe not necessary if not street driven. Just my opinion. Keep the vitals up front and visible!! __________________ Larry [url]www.columbiaoverland.com[/url]

02-07-2006, 05:54 AM	#11 (permalink)
PTSchram Registered User Join Date: Jun 2002 Member # 12499 Location: In a Snap-On truck tryin' to make it pay Posts: 10,543	Given the propensity for Rover alternators to fail, I consider the voltmeter to be pretty important. While I like having a real oil pressure gauge, the light would serve this purpose better than for voltage monitoring-unless you had a comparator that would have a light for >12VDC and another for <12VDC. For ease of installation, I prefer electrical gauges, recognizing their inherent shortcomings. As for brands, I'm an Autometer man. Do we really need the huge tach the Discos have? For that matter, do we REALLY need a tach at all? I'm thinking a tach from a Defender would fit my purposes much better. Lastly, if one is mounting the gauges somewhat out of the line of sight, it makes great sense to put an oil idiot light somewhere it can't be missed, perhaps one of those big-ass Autometer lights right on the top of the dash would be wise. PT __________________ Wrenchin' to riches! If you want peace, prepare for war.

02-07-2006, 07:08 AM	#12 (permalink)
DiscoDino Rock God Join Date: Nov 2002 Member # 15296 Location: Lebanon/Dubai Posts: 2,178	Cool - but thing is, I won't have a dash per say...its gonna be a flat sheet of alum on a 1" tube frame with a MASSIVE cubby box. The 2 1/16 gauges I am NOW interested in would be in pods and in the center, all electrical with countoura switches running down the center as well. Since no heater/AC, was thinking of putting the batteries in the middle under the dash, so amid both winches (which is better i guess). I'm such an electrical dweeb and I already hate it, so I'm not too comfy with these things... Any thoughts of fuses vs. circuit breakers? __________________ '92 Land Rover Disco truggy: Beadlocked 42" Iroks, V8, ZF, dual cases, ARBs, Longfielded, M8274-50s with ropes, etc... '98 Land Rover Discovery: 29" BFG ATs '02 D90 TD5 ST: 33" BFG ATs '91 Defender 110: Build in progress '07 BMW G650X Challange: Interco Terraflex 29" rear tire

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