fox 2.0 air shocks on rear

[krazz1e]

so i posted this on dweb too but thought i'd post it here as well especially since more people will probably have more interest here.

picked up 2.0 12" fox air shocks. Put them in and the ride height is within 1/4" of the 3" RTE HD side, air shocks taller. Cool no adjustments need for the height, the valving i might though.





reason for doing this:

boing boing.

I get the full 12" travel just as I did with my blingstings 12" shocks I had.

[PTSchram]

Looks nice to me! Very nice.

And, I'm glad to see someone knows how to use a high-lift safely.

[lwg]

Been thinking about these a bit as well lately. Trying to decide if I'd need the Fox 2.5 version though... Once you get some wheeling time with these report back on whether the rear end unloads when going down waterfalls, that's my biggest fear with these. If so it can be easily remedied.

Also, it seems most folks have to play with valving a bit once they get installed before they get the shocks to meet their expectations. I think some even go from the 5W oil to 10W oil to help with the dampening.

[krazz1e]

2.0's are rated at 1,000 lbs per shock, not sure on the 2.5's but they are rated higher so they may work for you. I'll post trail reports in a few months.

[lwg]

Originally Posted by krazz1e

2.0's are rated at 1,000 lbs per shock, not sure on the 2.5's but they are rated higher so they may work for you. I'll post trail reports in a few months.

The 2.5's are rated at twice the 2.0's. I doubt I could use the 2.0's on the front of my truck, but probably the back.

[revor]

This is so sweet....

You two getting along....

Sorry I had to do it..

[darkstar]

That is so nice you guys kissed and made up

I do like those airshocks in the back.. what are you going to do for the front? and for the cage?

[TN-D90]

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[Buckon37s]

I have been running 2.0 SAW 16in Airshocks for the last 2 years or so. They suck ass. I will have 3 for sale soon. Who wants them?

[krazz1e]

what sucks about them?

[Buckon37s]

Originally Posted by krazz1e

what sucks about them?

They leak, they unload, they are inherently unlevel. They DO NOT hold 1000lb a corner. They require a massive amount of tinkering, they adjust your ride height for you based on time of day and how you beat on them. You absolutely have to buy a spare because they can fail on the trail, you have to carry along extra nitrogen on every trip. They are terribly weight sensative so if you take a good crap before the trail ride you have to let out a little air. They don't always "recenter" on there own.

And this is all with the SAW's which are better than the Fox's. Not including the 2.5's. Do yourself a favor, spend a little extra now and go with coilovers. You will thank me later. Airshocks are meant for comps where you can play with them for hours before 30min of rockcrawling.

edit: And yes, before people start asking, they are tuned perfectly. My rig weighs in at 800LB a corner (rear) fully loaded. The shocks are perfectly vertical so no problem there.

And to be fair, they do allow for massive amounts of smooth travel, and the oil bump-stop feature is killer. I run a center limiting strap to control unloading and when everthing is perfect they are amazing at what they do. It's just that they are a serious pain in the ass. I am going to coilovers. Screw this.

edit II: Larry, I would not even consider running airshocks. Your truck has to weight around 7000lb.

[lwg]

Originally Posted by Buckon37s

edit II: Larry, I would not even consider running airshocks. Your truck has to weight around 7000lb.

I hope your joking about the weight. There's a really good chance my truck weighs less than 5K right now. I'm starting to set my sites on about 4500 in the coming months...

Edit: In your defense you probably haven't seen my truck in a while. However the last time you saw the truck it weighed in at about 5200 lbs as per the trucking scales. I've shaved A LOT of weight off since then.

[Buckon37s]

Originally Posted by lwg

I hope your joking about the weight. There's a really good chance my truck weighs less than 5K right now. I'm starting to set my sites on about 4500 in the coming months...

Edit: In your defense you probably haven't seen my truck in a while. However the last time you saw the truck it weighed in at about 5200 lbs as per the trucking scales. I've shaved A LOT of weight off since then.

I was joking. But if you get to 4,500 and still have a body, I'll buy you and the Mrs's a steak dinner anywhere you want. I run 4,000 with no rear frame, no top, no doors, no dash, an AL fuel cell, very little body, no windshield, and a tire a wheel combo that weighs 77LB each.

[krazz1e]

well sorry to hear. I've seen 2.0 in action on many truggy rigs around here and thumbs up. none of those problems mentioned. the majority of people run them only on the rear.

time will tell.

[Puffdragon]

I partially agree with Buck. But they arent really that bad to deal with. I have been runing airshocks longer than almost anyone on this board including comp guys. With that said, I would run them on a trail rig only, but not likely on a truck I plan on driving down the road alot. I run both 2.0's and 2.5's in the fox. We developed a complete program for setting them up which makes it easy. The setups that the majority of people run are way wrong and have alot of room for improvement.

[lwg]

Originally Posted by Buckon37s

I was joking. But if you get to 4,500 and still have a body, I'll buy you and the Mrs's a steak dinner anywhere you want. I run 4,000 with no rear frame, no top, no doors, no dash, an AL fuel cell, very little body, no windshield, and a tire a wheel combo that weighs 77LB each.

Does just a hood and grill count as body? I'm going to weigh it in before I start reworking the cage this winter. Will probably go too far and delete the dash and front window before it's all said and done...

[krazz1e]

The valving is definitely softer than the spring rate and 7100 shocks I had. Though they can be revalved to be firmer (and I may do so) I am not very concerned at this point because my rig is only a trail rig.

For a DD vechile I would agree coilovers are probably the better way to go. You have to much variables, how much gear for what trip, people, ect.

[krazz1e]

finished up the other side, sits 1" higher than the old setup seems like the damping might be a little high believe it or not. Hopefully after the atlas is in i'll be wheeling in a few weeks and report back.

[aaron t]

i have 4 fox 2.o's on my buggy and i love them. i can haul ass in the wash and no fade. i have tuned the fronts ONCE since i put them on two years ago. i have had to rebuild one of my rears as i caved in one of the tubes (poorly located cage). even with the valve still damaged they worked great. if the shocks can hold the load in the rover i would get the foxes again any day of the week. and to reiterate, i hear just as many horror stories about all brands of air shocks so buck, i think your complaints are totally legit.

if i had the money i would still rather have coilovers, but my airshocks cost me a grand for all four. half of what coilovers would have cost me.

[Buckon37s]

They're good in the right situation. This not being it.

Coilovers are the way to go money or not. By the time you get everything you need, the price gets pretty close.

And I may have been a little harsh earlier, but I feel strongly that these are meant to be on a comp rig only.

[aaron t]

i would be really stretching the truth if i called my buggy a comp rig, but it would have fit in quite well before the advent of moon buggies.

it actually is pretty stout and capable, but it is ass ugly, with some of the shittiest welds i have ever seen...but this was how i learned.

i am a much better welder than i was 4 years ago.

[krazz1e]

I am not sure what the difference is between a comp rig and a shit ass ugly truggy. One could argue the comp rig see's much more abuse and therefore the airshock should preform worse if it's such a unreliable piece of equipment.

I think it depends on your needs and requirements. I don't have variable weight in the rear and less than 1k on each shock.

i respect your opinion but as you can understand I am going to have to conclude on my own and let the trail to the talking. I'll let'cha know.

[aaron t]

i would have loved to have coilovers. just not in the cards yet. the air shocks ...work....


and there is a world of difference between "performance" and "work"


if you catch my meaning.....as opposed to "not work"

[mongosd2]

like your bumpsteer problem

[Buckon37s]

Originally Posted by krazz1e

I am not sure what the difference is between a comp rig and a shit ass ugly truggy. One could argue the comp rig see's much more abuse and therefore the airshock should preform worse if it's such a unreliable piece of equipment.

I think it depends on your needs and requirements. I don't have variable weight in the rear and less than 1k on each shock.

i respect your opinion but as you can understand I am going to have to conclude on my own and let the trail to the talking. I'll let'cha know.

The difference is, on a comp rig you F with it for 2 hours and drive it for 30min. You want them to work well, so you are going to try come hell or high water. Thats fine, you already spent the money. My advice is meant to help others not make the same mistake. Take it or leave it. Good luck, I hope you like them. If not, I'll make you a good deal on a pair of SAW's. You should carry them as spares anyway.