d60/14 axle build - Pirate4x4.Com : 4x4 and Off-Road Forum

krazz1e · 09-11-2007, 08:41 PM

The build begins!

Want to put bets on if this will be done by Sept 21?? Front and rear, oh and don't forget the atlas

stock links won't work... probably going with what Mongo and Aaron have done.

aaron t · 09-11-2007, 08:57 PM

the brackets you need are in stock or can be cut to order at ballistic. if you choose to call ballistic, ask for jeff and tell him i sent you.

i don't work there nor do i get any kick backs if you order. jeff, i just a very good friend and i like to push his product.

it is good quality and it works...plus its a good deal.

most of what you will need for brackets and links will be off the shelf stuff there.

DChapman · 09-11-2007, 09:02 PM

What are the specs on the 60? You go wider? Same? What's it out of, chevy?

aaron t · 09-11-2007, 09:05 PM

that is a chevy, it most likely is 69.5" wms. that is i believe the factory single wheel chevy set up. not much variation in the chevy's. it is the dodge that is shorter. so unless justin has swapped on chevy hubs onto a dodge housing. it is full width one ton chevy as noted above.

the dually fronts are like 73".

Buckon37s · 09-11-2007, 10:47 PM

kingpin or cheeseball?

aaron t · 09-11-2007, 11:55 PM

that is a kingpin. chevy never made a balljoint 60, they went gayfs, dodge did but i believe that was late model, and only drivers side drop? could be wrong on that, but i think i can see the kingpin bearing caps on the knuckles in those shit ass pics....

DChapman · 09-12-2007, 06:07 AM

So what are you doing? Adding the axles, full width without cutting them, and installing a 700R4 with Atlas?

HandBuilt · 09-12-2007, 07:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by aaron t

that is a kingpin. chevy never made a balljoint 60, they went gayfs, dodge did but i believe that was late model, and only drivers side drop? could be wrong on that, but i think i can see the kingpin bearing caps on the knuckles in those shit ass pics....

Yah until 1993 Dodge was kingpin 60 front end, but narrower, 67.5 I think. The 1993 CTD I parted for my 109 had that axle. The 1994 have coilsprung 60s with weenie little shafts and balljoints. They are driver's drop (at least in NA!). The Chevys are a safer bet as they didn't use 61s. A lot of early CTDs had balljoint 61s with 3.07 gears. I hear they are workable but it sounds like a PITA.

mongosd2 · 09-12-2007, 07:42 AM

I was pimping your set-up to him last night Aaron... I sent him ballistic's way for his rear shock towers, so hopefully he'll go that way for the rest of his brackets...

krazz1e · 09-12-2007, 07:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DChapman

So what are you doing? Adding the axles, full width without cutting them, and installing a 700R4 with Atlas?

yeah full width chevy kingpin with highsteer arm. it's still has 30 outters. It's setup with 5.13 yukon's and a detriot up front. The rear is a 14 bolt w/ 5.13s and a spool, it has discs conversions though. Keeping the full width they will be matched to a true 37" maxxis creepy crawler (comp tread

) on 16x10 rims.

The Atlas is going behind the ZF. Have a conversion kit being made right now, price TBA. Expecting it to be ready this weekend.

I'm calling Ballistic this morning.

rock90 · 09-12-2007, 07:49 AM

What is the Atlas going to be connected to? Are you going to change the transmission also?

olivesta500 · 09-12-2007, 07:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HandBuilt

Yah until 1993 Dodge was Balljoint 60 front end

Is that why my 92 Dodge D60 has kingpins and internal hubs?

I guess you meant to say kingpin until 93?

More pics of the build please

HandBuilt · 09-12-2007, 08:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by olivesta500

Is that why my 92 Dodge D60 has kingpins and internal hubs?

I guess you meant to say kingpin until 93?

More pics of the build please

Whatchu talking about? My post says kingpin

(Edited due to lack of coffee this morning)

krazz1e · 09-12-2007, 09:33 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rock90

What is the Atlas going to be connected to? Are you going to change the transmission also?

stock d1 zf auto tranny.

XtremeMarine · 09-12-2007, 09:43 AM

Justin; how close are your overall widths front to rear? Are you using a true Detroit in the front, or a trutrac? Considering some people have stated concerns/problems with steering on detroit locker in front, I would like to know which way you are going. I am considering going true detroit locker in the front on my off-road only SIIa. But I have a trutrac in the front on my DII; so I haven't made a final decision yet. Please take off the L-R oval on the front grille, man. It's embarrasing. Hell, I'll give you a payoff if you remove it, just so the truck doesn't embarrass anymore of the Dweb crowd. LOL!

mongosd2 · 09-12-2007, 10:49 AM

goes deeper than just a detroit, he's got a atlas t-case...do a little research and you'll see why he can run it...

lwg · 09-12-2007, 11:22 AM

My guess is he'll either go Ram assist or full hydro up front. If he doesn't he eventually will!

krazz1e · 09-12-2007, 01:57 PM

I wouldn't recommend a full DT in any DD rig especially one without manual lock outs. It's true you can't turn worth shit on any high surface traction with it locked. On loose dirt roads it's fine though.

This 60 i picked up just happen to have a DT in it. If it had not it would of got welded. For me they are the same thing, the DT does give me a stronger carrier so it's a plus.

I may consider d60 longs after I break my 30 outters, but then again the warranty may not cover a DT up front.....

krazz1e · 09-12-2007, 02:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lwg

My guess is he'll either go Ram assist or full hydro up front. If he doesn't he eventually will!

full hyrdro yes. next phase, probably be oct-nov.

Well updates are this:

Ballastic Fabs is working on my brackets should have the here by next Tues. I have not received word yet on my Atlas kit, eta was this weekend or early next. I am going to have a shitload to do next week. But that does free up some time for me to work on my cage. Safety i guess right?

XtremeMarine · 09-12-2007, 04:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mongosd2

goes deeper than just a detroit, he's got a atlas t-case...do a little research and you'll see why he can run it...

Well, my guess was that he Was going to run a twin stick Atlas, and be able to go 2wd when he wants. Hence my query. Since my IIa will have the Warn locking hubs, and I will be able to run 2wd whenever I want. That's why I was asking. I figured, it was more apples to apples than comparing his fuggy to a normal DD DII.

aaron t · 09-12-2007, 05:33 PM

justin, just talked to frank...
you might be able to get away with not cutting the knuckles, now that i think about it...i have never cut and turned my knuckles on my buggy or on my rover, but the rover is a little twitchy due to <3* pos castor.

on the 60 the pinion angle is fine, but on my rover, it sucks. i don't know if the castor is different on a 44 than a 60?

krazz1e · 09-12-2007, 10:27 PM

day 2:

waiting for parts on the front moved to the rear. It's was basic just need to add the truss and convert the ball joint to a heim.

krazz1e · 09-13-2007, 08:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by aaron t

justin, just talked to frank...
you might be able to get away with not cutting the knuckles, now that i think about it...i have never cut and turned my knuckles on my buggy or on my rover, but the rover is a little twitchy due to <3* pos castor.

on the 60 the pinion angle is fine, but on my rover, it sucks. i don't know if the castor is different on a 44 than a 60?

ahhh not concerned with castor more with pinion angle. One of many advantages of being a trailer queen.

mongosd2 · 09-13-2007, 08:56 AM

Why not a true triangulated 4 Link? You have the room and with the axle truss it would be a easy (well nothings' easy) install...

krazz1e · 09-13-2007, 09:38 AM

Yeah thought about it...problem is $ right now. Front links were higher than I had originally planned. So I have to make with what's there.

09-11-2007, 08:41 PM	#1 (permalink)
krazz1e Registered User Join Date: Aug 2004 Member # 34849 Location: utah Posts: 260	d60/14 axle build The build begins! Want to put bets on if this will be done by Sept 21?? Front and rear, oh and don't forget the atlas stock links won't work... probably going with what Mongo and Aaron have done. Attached Images

09-11-2007, 08:57 PM	#2 (permalink)
aaron t Registered User Join Date: Feb 2002 Member # 10086 Location: tucson, az Posts: 2,505	the brackets you need are in stock or can be cut to order at ballistic. if you choose to call ballistic, ask for jeff and tell him i sent you. i don't work there nor do i get any kick backs if you order. jeff, i just a very good friend and i like to push his product. it is good quality and it works...plus its a good deal. most of what you will need for brackets and links will be off the shelf stuff there. __________________ meh.

09-11-2007, 09:05 PM	#4 (permalink)
aaron t Registered User Join Date: Feb 2002 Member # 10086 Location: tucson, az Posts: 2,505	that is a chevy, it most likely is 69.5" wms. that is i believe the factory single wheel chevy set up. not much variation in the chevy's. it is the dodge that is shorter. so unless justin has swapped on chevy hubs onto a dodge housing. it is full width one ton chevy as noted above. the dually fronts are like 73". __________________ meh.

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09-11-2007, 11:55 PM	#6 (permalink)
aaron t Registered User Join Date: Feb 2002 Member # 10086 Location: tucson, az Posts: 2,505	that is a kingpin. chevy never made a balljoint 60, they went gayfs, dodge did but i believe that was late model, and only drivers side drop? could be wrong on that, but i think i can see the kingpin bearing caps on the knuckles in those shit ass pics.... __________________ meh.

09-11-2007, 09:02 PM	#3 (permalink)
DChapman Banned Join Date: Jul 2003 Member # 21405 Location: va Posts: 384	What are the specs on the 60? You go wider? Same? What's it out of, chevy?

09-12-2007, 06:07 AM	#7 (permalink)
DChapman Banned Join Date: Jul 2003 Member # 21405 Location: va Posts: 384	So what are you doing? Adding the axles, full width without cutting them, and installing a 700R4 with Atlas?

09-12-2007, 07:42 AM	#9 (permalink)
mongosd2 Granite Guru Join Date: Jan 2003 Member # 16003 Location: Moved to Tucson... Posts: 938	I was pimping your set-up to him last night Aaron... I sent him ballistic's way for his rear shock towers, so hopefully he'll go that way for the rest of his brackets... __________________ 2001 D2 FZJ80 Front/ARB Ruffstuff axle housing rear w/ fjzj80 stuff, Detroit, 37" creepy's, 14" 9100 Coilovers (F) 14" FOA coilovers (R) 1.6 lt230 w/Ashcroft Under Drive PSC hydro steering Hellfire Hi Steer Knuckles...a lot of revisions and a lot of weldin' 1983 110 RHD Pick-up

09-12-2007, 07:49 AM	#11 (permalink)
rock90 Registered User Join Date: May 2004 Member # 30376 Location: colorado springs Posts: 313	What is the Atlas going to be connected to? Are you going to change the transmission also?

09-12-2007, 09:43 AM	#15 (permalink)
XtremeMarine Registered User Join Date: Jul 2006 Member # 75068 Posts: 152	Justin; how close are your overall widths front to rear? Are you using a true Detroit in the front, or a trutrac? Considering some people have stated concerns/problems with steering on detroit locker in front, I would like to know which way you are going. I am considering going true detroit locker in the front on my off-road only SIIa. But I have a trutrac in the front on my DII; so I haven't made a final decision yet. Please take off the L-R oval on the front grille, man. It's embarrasing. Hell, I'll give you a payoff if you remove it, just so the truck doesn't embarrass anymore of the Dweb crowd. LOL!

09-12-2007, 10:49 AM	#16 (permalink)
mongosd2 Granite Guru Join Date: Jan 2003 Member # 16003 Location: Moved to Tucson... Posts: 938	goes deeper than just a detroit, he's got a atlas t-case...do a little research and you'll see why he can run it... __________________ 2001 D2 FZJ80 Front/ARB Ruffstuff axle housing rear w/ fjzj80 stuff, Detroit, 37" creepy's, 14" 9100 Coilovers (F) 14" FOA coilovers (R) 1.6 lt230 w/Ashcroft Under Drive PSC hydro steering Hellfire Hi Steer Knuckles...a lot of revisions and a lot of weldin' 1983 110 RHD Pick-up

09-12-2007, 11:22 AM	#17 (permalink)
lwg Registered User Join Date: May 2002 Member # 12044 Location: Portland, OR Posts: 2,237	My guess is he'll either go Ram assist or full hydro up front. If he doesn't he eventually will! __________________ Larry [url]www.columbiaoverland.com[/url]

09-12-2007, 01:57 PM	#18 (permalink)
krazz1e Registered User Join Date: Aug 2004 Member # 34849 Location: utah Posts: 260	I wouldn't recommend a full DT in any DD rig especially one without manual lock outs. It's true you can't turn worth shit on any high surface traction with it locked. On loose dirt roads it's fine though. This 60 i picked up just happen to have a DT in it. If it had not it would of got welded. For me they are the same thing, the DT does give me a stronger carrier so it's a plus. I may consider d60 longs after I break my 30 outters, but then again the warranty may not cover a DT up front.....

09-12-2007, 05:33 PM	#21 (permalink)
aaron t Registered User Join Date: Feb 2002 Member # 10086 Location: tucson, az Posts: 2,505	justin, just talked to frank... you might be able to get away with not cutting the knuckles, now that i think about it...i have never cut and turned my knuckles on my buggy or on my rover, but the rover is a little twitchy due to <3* pos castor. on the 60 the pinion angle is fine, but on my rover, it sucks. i don't know if the castor is different on a 44 than a 60? __________________ meh.

09-12-2007, 10:27 PM	#22 (permalink)
krazz1e Registered User Join Date: Aug 2004 Member # 34849 Location: utah Posts: 260	day 2: waiting for parts on the front moved to the rear. It's was basic just need to add the truss and convert the ball joint to a heim. Attached Images

09-13-2007, 08:56 AM	#24 (permalink)
mongosd2 Granite Guru Join Date: Jan 2003 Member # 16003 Location: Moved to Tucson... Posts: 938	Why not a true triangulated 4 Link? You have the room and with the axle truss it would be a easy (well nothings' easy) install... __________________ 2001 D2 FZJ80 Front/ARB Ruffstuff axle housing rear w/ fjzj80 stuff, Detroit, 37" creepy's, 14" 9100 Coilovers (F) 14" FOA coilovers (R) 1.6 lt230 w/Ashcroft Under Drive PSC hydro steering Hellfire Hi Steer Knuckles...a lot of revisions and a lot of weldin' 1983 110 RHD Pick-up

09-13-2007, 09:38 AM	#25 (permalink)
krazz1e Registered User Join Date: Aug 2004 Member # 34849 Location: utah Posts: 260	Yeah thought about it...problem is $ right now. Front links were higher than I had originally planned. So I have to make with what's there.

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