what’s a Koenig pto winch worth? - Pirate4x4.Com : 4x4 and Off-Road Forum

BigBlueToy · 09-07-2009, 04:34 PM

Friend of mine has one in his garage floor. The winch’s owner claims it worth a grand. I havent opened it up to see its guts but I suspect its in good shape. could this winch be easily fitted to a 2.5NA Defender 90?

Leafsprung · 09-08-2009, 08:06 AM

what model is it and what did it come off of?

BigBlueToy · 09-08-2009, 01:49 PM

came off a IIa 109. dont know any more than that. pretty sure the winch wasnt original on that truck judging by the cobbled together chain and drive shaft setup. somebody chopped a notch in the bottom of the front crossmember for the driveshaft!

aloharover · 09-08-2009, 02:17 PM

lol, I guess they didn't realise thats what the big hole was for

1000 seems extremely high for a Koenig PTO.

Antichrist · 09-08-2009, 04:53 PM

One that looked like it had never been used, recently sold on ebay for about $400. Looked almost like someone had just uncrated it. I'd have bought it except they didn't want to ship it.

fridgefreezer · 09-09-2009, 03:37 AM

I have a funny feeling you can still buy the same thing new for not much money. A grand sounds like a shitload for anything that's not a very rare Series 1 tractor implement.

Antichrist · 09-10-2009, 04:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by fridgefreezer

I have a funny feeling you can still buy the same thing new for not much money.

PTO winches are a dime a dozen new, so to speak. The Koenig King 100, which this probably is, was a very good, simple, and reliable winch, but is no longer made and hasn't been for over 30 years.
What's harder to find are the transfer case PTO units that were part of the transfer case driven setup (there was also a crank driven version). Land Rover bottom PTO units are about a $1000US new.

That said, $1,000 is way overpriced for a Koenig.

BigBlueToy · 09-10-2009, 07:13 PM

I told him to take a running fawk at a rolling doughnut and offered him 100 bucks.

i can buy a brand new Warn ’lectric for a grand. thanks for your appraisals

Antichrist · 09-11-2009, 07:22 AM

If it's a complete set up in good shape, $4-500 is a fair price. Although I paid $500 for my 109 that had one already on it. Of course, that was 30 years ago. lol

Leafsprung · 09-11-2009, 07:55 AM

I can guarantee Ive had more koenigs than anyone here. A nice one that is complete and specifically made for a rover is worth a grand. The engine driven ones are worth even more. Sure you could get a warn electric for the same money, but the koenig is a different animal. It would flat out rape the warn. Koenigs were used on a lot of different trucks though and if someone did a retrofit to the one in question and did some rigging to make it work, its not worth much more than $100.

PTSchram · 09-11-2009, 08:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Leafsprung

I can guarantee Ive had more koenigs than anyone here. A nice one that is complete and specifically made for a rover is worth a grand. The engine driven ones are worth even more. Sure you could get a warn electric for the same money, but the koenig is a different animal. It would flat out rape the warn. Koenigs were used on a lot of different trucks though and if someone did a retrofit to the one in question and did some rigging to make it work, its not worth much more than $100.

Are parts available for the vintage winches?

I have one with a bunch of busted parts that I'd really like to put back togather for all the reasons a person would want a REAL winch.

fridgefreezer · 09-11-2009, 12:40 PM

If it's the same thing as Daan's PTO winch (pictured in this thread) then you can buy them brand new (I know because it was delivered to our workshop) and for not a lot of money, relatively speaking.

BigBlueToy · 09-11-2009, 01:40 PM

That series III is fawkin ugly, but I love it! The winch is definitely not original ( the chain drive even less so!) if he doesnt want to lower his price I found one in need of a bit of love for cheap. Anyone ever fit an engine driven PTO to a 2.5 NA diesel? can one off a 2.25 petrol be made to fit?

Antichrist · 09-11-2009, 07:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PTSchram

Are parts available for the vintage winches?

A lot of the parts are off the shelf power transmission parts, shafts, bearings, gears. But some were proprietary Koenig, and the housings aren't available off the shelf. But the King was used on many different vehicles. There were two versions, a low slung and and upright, and either would work on a Land Rover, though the one commonly seen is the low slung. If you had a bottom PTO you could easily connect it to a Koenig winch. Ramsey also made a PTO unit for the Land Rover, but those are extremely rare.

I came really close to having a supply of NOS parts, actually all of Koenigs remaining parts stock. Sometime around '85 I called them to get some parts, and was on the phone a long time with one of the people there, who'd worked for them since the early 60's. He gave me prices on some parts, then mentioned that they were in the process of inventorying everything to sell as a lot. I asked him to send me the list when it was done. Unfortunately, I put it out of mind and realized a year or so later I never heard from him. I called back, he'd retired, and they'd sent the parts off to someone who regularly bought discontinued parts. Man did I kick myself.

I've not been able to track down where the parts actually went.

BigBlueToy · 09-13-2009, 06:53 PM

There are shitloads of cheap Chinese PTO winchs for sale. 300$ for a 8000lb unit at the local farm equipment dealer.

Growler5 · 06-01-2012, 06:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BigBlueToy

Friend of mine has one in his garage floor. The winch’s owner claims it worth a grand. I havent opened it up to see its guts but I suspect its in good shape. could this winch be easily fitted to a 2.5NA Defender 90?

What would a complete unit, koenig 100 with all the driveline, control box in great shape go for. I have it on my willy's cj3b. I would like to the winch. Its been on this jeep since i bought it in 1962. Still works perfectly and looks great.

RoverDan · 07-17-2012, 10:08 AM

Apparently there is an outfit in Denmark that is now supporting the old Koenigs

http://www.koenigwinches.dk/koenigwi...n-english.html

Rolund · 12-10-2012, 12:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RoverDan

Apparently there is an outfit in Denmark that is now supporting the old Koenigs

http://www.koenigwinches.dk/koenigwi...n-english.html

That must be me.

I can get most parts for the winches so please send a mail to:

lars@koenigwinches.dk

I also have PTO for Land Rover Defender, Discovery and Range Rovers with LT230 Transferbox

Best Regards

Lars

09-07-2009, 04:34 PM	#1 (permalink)
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Antichrist Registered User Join Date: Aug 2006 Member # 77768 Location: Georgia, USA Posts: 254	One that looked like it had never been used, recently sold on ebay for about $400. Looked almost like someone had just uncrated it. I'd have bought it except they didn't want to ship it. __________________ Tom Rowe Four wheel drive allows you to get stuck in places even more inaccessible. 62 88 reg 67 NADA x2 74 Air Portable - The Antichrist (tag 6A666) 95 D1 95 D90 Last edited by Antichrist; 09-08-2009 at 04:53 PM.

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fridgefreezer Registered User Join Date: Sep 2004 Member # 35998 Location: Gosport, UK Posts: 268	I have a funny feeling you can still buy the same thing new for not much money. A grand sounds like a shitload for anything that's not a very rare Series 1 tractor implement. __________________ [url]www.FlyingSpanners.net[/url] - The House Of Flying Spanners

09-08-2009, 01:49 PM	#3 (permalink)
BigBlueToy Registered User Join Date: Mar 2007 Member # 88052 Location: Montreal Posts: 1,103	came off a IIa 109. dont know any more than that. pretty sure the winch wasnt original on that truck judging by the cobbled together chain and drive shaft setup. somebody chopped a notch in the bottom of the front crossmember for the driveshaft!

09-10-2009, 07:13 PM	#8 (permalink)
BigBlueToy Registered User Join Date: Mar 2007 Member # 88052 Location: Montreal Posts: 1,103	I told him to take a running fawk at a rolling doughnut and offered him 100 bucks. i can buy a brand new Warn ’lectric for a grand. thanks for your appraisals Last edited by BigBlueToy; 09-10-2009 at 07:13 PM.

09-11-2009, 07:22 AM	#9 (permalink)
Antichrist Registered User Join Date: Aug 2006 Member # 77768 Location: Georgia, USA Posts: 254	If it's a complete set up in good shape, $4-500 is a fair price. Although I paid $500 for my 109 that had one already on it. Of course, that was 30 years ago. lol __________________ Tom Rowe Four wheel drive allows you to get stuck in places even more inaccessible. 62 88 reg 67 NADA x2 74 Air Portable - The Antichrist (tag 6A666) 95 D1 95 D90 Last edited by Antichrist; 09-11-2009 at 07:23 AM.

09-11-2009, 07:55 AM	#10 (permalink)
Leafsprung Registered User Join Date: Jul 2002 Member # 12663 Location: Oregon Posts: 1,263	Koenig I can guarantee Ive had more koenigs than anyone here. A nice one that is complete and specifically made for a rover is worth a grand. The engine driven ones are worth even more. Sure you could get a warn electric for the same money, but the koenig is a different animal. It would flat out rape the warn. Koenigs were used on a lot of different trucks though and if someone did a retrofit to the one in question and did some rigging to make it work, its not worth much more than $100. __________________ I am what I am - Popeye

09-11-2009, 12:40 PM	#12 (permalink)
fridgefreezer Registered User Join Date: Sep 2004 Member # 35998 Location: Gosport, UK Posts: 268	If it's the same thing as Daan's PTO winch (pictured in this thread) then you can buy them brand new (I know because it was delivered to our workshop) and for not a lot of money, relatively speaking. __________________ [url]www.FlyingSpanners.net[/url] - The House Of Flying Spanners

09-11-2009, 01:40 PM	#13 (permalink)
BigBlueToy Registered User Join Date: Mar 2007 Member # 88052 Location: Montreal Posts: 1,103	That series III is fawkin ugly, but I love it! The winch is definitely not original ( the chain drive even less so!) if he doesnt want to lower his price I found one in need of a bit of love for cheap. Anyone ever fit an engine driven PTO to a 2.5 NA diesel? can one off a 2.25 petrol be made to fit?

09-13-2009, 06:53 PM	#15 (permalink)
BigBlueToy Registered User Join Date: Mar 2007 Member # 88052 Location: Montreal Posts: 1,103	There are shitloads of cheap Chinese PTO winchs for sale. 300$ for a 8000lb unit at the local farm equipment dealer.

07-17-2012, 10:08 AM	#17 (permalink)
RoverDan Registered User Join Date: Mar 2004 Member # 27975 Location: Maryland Posts: 209	Apparently there is an outfit in Denmark that is now supporting the old Koenigs http://www.koenigwinches.dk/koenigwi...n-english.html

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