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Old 09-18-2011, 04:01 PM   #1 (permalink)
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The beginning of the end for CBD

As I said before, Hell's Bells have started tolling for the Center for Biological Destruction.

Under the ESA, Section 9, private landowners can and have been prosecuted for both intentional, unintentional, and percieved "damages" to endangered species. Here is a very small list. http://www.mtmultipleuse.org/ENDANGERED/esareform.htm

Also under the ESA, businesses have been prosecuted for intentional, unintentional, and perceived "damages".

I have spent way too many hours reading case law and have found a way to turn those very "sucesses" the eco groups like to flaught against them.

CBD likes to say that they have found out the the desert tortiose is actually two subspecies and in need of more protection. Well if that is the case, the the spikedace and loach minnows here in the Frisco river were also subspecies and according to a BLM Fisheries Biologist they are now functionally extinct.

Under the case law the eco's established, these would be a seperate subspecies because of geographical and environmental factors, namely the Gila River running dry at times.

Responsibility for the severity of the Wallow Fire rests squarely on the heads of the ecos. The USFS here has tried many times to thin this forest out to stop serious wildfires and have been stopped dead by the eco's because of the spotted owl. So now in order to "save" one species, many others were forced into extinction by bad decisions.

In Oregon, there was a thinning project that was in litigation for 6 years before anything could be started. About 430 acres where thinned after the litigation was settled before a severe wildfire was started by lightning. The resultant wildfire destroyed a little over 26,000 acres of spotted owl habitat. Here in the ASNF, 73 out of 145 known spotted owl nesting sites were destroyed.

We have enough of case law to back us up. We have enough of science to back us up. All we need is to get together and start a "citizen's" lawsuit to take these groups out. THis is a win-win situation for us. We either destroy the groups themselves or we destroy to psuedo-science they use. Either way we win.
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Old 09-18-2011, 06:28 PM   #2 (permalink)
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Here's some more.

http://cpluhna.nau.edu/Research/chan...n_forests3.htm


Table 1. Trees per acre, by diameter class, from Southwest inventories.


Table 1. Trees per acre, by diameter class, from Southwest inventories.

3-INCH DBH ACTUAL DBH 1985/87 R3-AZNV 1962 R3-INV 1910 R3- INV
CLASS RANGE

6 4.6-7.5 68.0 45.0 6.3
9 7.6-10.5 36.1 21.8 3.2
12 10.6-13.5 18.1 11.1 2.5
15 13.6-16.5 8.8 6.6 2.2
18 16.6-19.5 4.5 4.0 2.0
21 19.6-22.5 2.3 * 1.8
24 22.6-25.5 1.3 * 1.4
27 25.6-28.5 0.6 * 0.7
30 28.6+ 0.4 0.6 0.8
TOTAL 140.0 93.6 20.8

Table Notes

R3 inventory figures are for conifers only.

Specific numbers for diameter classes marked with an "*" are not available: the 1962 inventory grouped these into a single category.

1910 data is from Woolsey, and was taken on the Coconino, Tusayan, and Prescott Forests

Now the numbers may seem insignificant until you look at water usage by the number of trees. THere was a study done in the Sierra Nevadas that indicated that if the forests in that area were returned to presettlement densities, that additional water yield would be somewhere around 3.3 million acre feet for that area. For comparison, that is about the size of Lake Oroville in CA.

From page three of this article.

Stream flow and water quality
The effects of more dense forests on stream flow is well documented. At Beaver Creek on the Coconino National Forest, researchers found that in ponderosa pine forests, on either Brolliar or Siesta-Sponseller soils, stream flow changed as follows with changing basal area (BA) (USDA Forest Service, 1974):

Basal area (sqft/acre) 120 100 60 40 0
Streamflow (percent change) 0 4 17 25 35

Other researchers have also found increases in water yield after harvest to reduce vegetative density. At Workman Creek in Central Arizona, water yields increased with harvest (Rich and Gottfried, 1976). Baker (1986) found that increases at Beaver Creek diminish and then end in about seven years, due to water use from increased forage plants and young trees. However, a long-term cycle of harvest and prescribed fire should maintain much of the increase.

As discussed above, today's forests are even above the baseline density used in the Beaver Creek study. This shows that they are providing less water for fish, riparian areas, groundwater recharge and downstream users than were the pre-settlement forests.

The results of this are evident in other ways too. Today, streams in the SW that were perennial a century ago do not flow year-round. Low flows in other streams are lower than they once were, with some intermittent streams drying up much earlier in the year. Low flows in turn affect water temperature and are a critical factor for fish and other aquatic life. However, where prescribed natural fire has occurred three or more times in the last two decades in the Gila Wilderness, streams are now flowing again that had not flowed for many years (personal communication, Steve Servis.)

Forest fires also affect many hydrologic processes. A 1978 (USDA Forest Service, 1979) study summarized the following: Water repellency increases with fire intensity, with more intense fires having the most effect. While removing vegetation normally increases soil moisture, Campbell et al. (1977) observed reduced soil moisture in the upper 30 cm. in an area severely burned, due to the repellency after fire. Debris flows increase following severe fires (Jensen and Cole, 1965; Klock and Healvey, 1976). During heavy rains, Campbell et al. (1977) observed an eightfold increase in runoff from a severely burned watershed compared to an unburned watershed during heavy autumn rains. They also report that runoff efficiency (ROE), the ratio of runoff to precipitation, increased from 0.8 percent on an unburned watershed to 3.6 percent on a severely burned watershed. Compared to a moderately burned watershed, ROE on a severely burned watershed was 375 percent greater during the rain season and 51 percent less during the snow season.

So in essence, by attacking and subsequently destroying the timber industries here in AZ and the Southwest, CBD and a whole host of other eco groups are the ones who have put a great deal of species at risk of extinction.

I have more to put up. Just going to take awhile considering I have collected nearly a terabyte of info.
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I found the information I was looking for.

Taken from: http://www.fs.fed.us/projects/docume...cy%20A6_v2.pdf


A Case Study in Fire and Forest Management Obstacles and Effects
The history of the Squires Fire provides a good example of the legal and regulatory obstacles to
effective land management efforts to reduce fire hazards and promote forest health. Studies of
the fire also demonstrate the nature and effects of wildfires burning on both treated (thinned) and
untreated land.
In 1996, the Bureau of Land Management (BLM) began planning a project to restore forest
health and reduce the hazardous accumulation of fuels on 24,000 acres of BLM land in the
Squires Peak area near Medford, Oregon. It took six years of analysis and legal review, 830
pages of documentation, several appeals and two lawsuits before work was allowed to begin
work on the Spencer Lomas Project fuels treatment project, a 430-acre portion of the original
24,000-acre project.
When the Squires Fire was ignited by lightning on July 13, 2002, approximately 80 acres of the
Spencer Lomas project remained untreated, and subsequently burned. Because firefighters were
unable to quickly extinguish the fire, it burned more than 2,800 acres of forest, including more
than 800 acres of private land. The fire burned the habitat of threatened spotted owls and the
Gentner's Fritillary, an endangered flowering plant, as well as three million board feet of
commercial timber. The fire cost $2 million to suppress, and will cost about $1 million to
rehabilitate.
The value of fuels reduction projects.
Observations of the fire behavior on both treated and untreated areas starkly illustrate the value
of fuels reduction projects: While untreated forest burned intensely, destroying trees and causing
lasting damage to the ecosystem, the fire dropped to the ground when it burned into the treated
areas, and burned with the low-intensity heat characteristic of normal wildfires, leaving space
where firefighters could safely attack the fire.
As the accompanying photos of the Squires Fire show, the difference in fire behavior between
thinned and unthinned areas was dramatic. Although tree loss was minimized in treated areas
(see photos on page 19), in areas that were left untreated, the fire burned tree canopies and
destroyed most trees (see photos on page 20).
Legal and regulatory obstacles to timely implementation of fuels projects.
For six years, the Department of the Interior tried to get regulatory and judicial approval to thin
and manage the area to improve habitat and the vitality of trees.
• In 1996, BLM began planning the 24,000-acre Appleseed Landscape Project, designed to
improve forest health, create greater resistance to drought and insects, and to minimize
the risk of wildfires while capturing the commercial value of the excess trees. The project
emphasized preserving the largest and healthiest trees as part of its efforts to promote
overall forest health.• On March 20, 1997, BLM began the required National Environmental Policy Act
(NEPA) review process. At the same time, BLM inventoried the forest areas and
performed the “survey and manage” review for animal and plant species required by the
Northwest Forest Plan.
• After two years of inventory, survey, review, and project design analysis, BLM released
an environmental assessment for the Appleseed Project on June 24, 1999. After a twomonth
comment period, BLM responded by dividing the Appleseed Project into several
smaller projects.
• On August 26, 1999, BLM proposed the first of these projects, the 430-acre Spencer
Lomas Project. Despite having assessed this area as part of its analysis of the Appleseed
Project, BLM prepared a new environmental assessment for the Spencer Lomas Project,
and performed surveys for additional plant and animal species as required by the
Northwest Forest Plan. The Spencer Lomas environmental assessment was released for
public comment on July 31, 2000.
• After completing the environmental assessment, BLM advertised the contract in
September 2000, beginning a 30-day public comment period. During this period, several
protests were filed with BLM. Although a sale auction was held, protests caused BLM to
delay the award of the contract for 24 days. Each protest required BLM to perform
additional reviews. BLM spent four months preparing materials in response to the
protests, before ultimately denying the protests.
• Protestors appealed BLM’s denial to the Interior Board of Land Appeals (IBLA) in
February 2001, and sought a stay of the project from the IBLA. After considering the stay
requests, BLM awarded the sale to Superior Lumber Company in 2001. The contract
called for the work to be performed over a three-year period. Superior Lumber began
operations on the project shortly after the contract was awarded.
• In May 2001, IBLA denied requests for a stay of the Spencer Lomas project and
dismissed several appeals as well. Other appeals of the project are still pending before
IBLA. Despite the fact that appeals were still pending before IBLA, protestors filed suit
in federal court on July 12, 2001, seeking a temporary restraining order and a preliminary
injunction against the Spencer Lomas project.
• In July and August of 2001, federal rulings were issued denying the efforts to stop the
project. A few weeks later, the plaintiffs voluntarily dismissed their lawsuit with
prejudice.

Pages 19 and 20 have opictures of the results. Unproven science my left ass cheek.

Like I said, we have the science and on the ground results backing us. All we need to do is find the will to beat these people into the ground.
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I'm not sure if you were watching - But Michael Jackson of the Herger/Feinstein/Quincy Library gave some startling facts of how overgrowth is affecting our Forests here in Northern California.

In the 1900's we had 120 trees per acre - now we have 1650 trees per acre.

Those additional trees prevent almost 40% of the annual precipitation from reaching our lakes, rivers and streams.

The Region 5 FS is saying they are going to 'treat' 500,000 acres per year and that it will take 9-10 years to complete.

Imagin if we could even go back to 240 trees per acre - we would have more than enough water for the Farmers and the Delta Smelt.

Hell I think the eco-turds are responsible for climate change!
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I find it interesting that history is repeating itself here.

Feinstein and her husband Blum via Maxxis and Pacific raped the Headwaters and other areas of old growth Redwoods. She then legislatively locked them all up via Congressional intervention assisted by pressure exerted from green groups she and Blum fund like the Wilderness Society (and other cases formed), using among other things, tools like the "Spotted Owl". Now she once again advocates logging such areas.

I agree the forests are WAY over grown but the irony of the whole scheme is just too much for my barf quota!!!

Guess who will get the logging contracts?



Here are some items from a previous post of mine . . .

“Forest Service Employees for Environmental Ethics” (FSEEE) was founded in 1989, it's executive director is Andy Stahl, formerly with Sierra Club Legal Defense Fund amongst others. He is almost single handedly responsible for the demise of the logging industry in Southern Oregon, Northern California and hence the surrounding small towns and communities.

He is on videotape saying he used the "Endangered Species Act" as a surrogate to destroy 35,000 forest resource workers jobs and lives. In 1988, when he was with the Sierra Club Legal Defense Fund, he said of spotted owls: " When it comes to protecting old growth, I've often thought that thank goodness the spotted owl evolved, for if it hadn't, we'd have to genetically engineer it. It's a perfect species to use as a surrogate ."

I'd say the residents in that area need to form a lynch mob!

“FSEEE” was initially started with funding from the same old familiar group of assholes that started the Center for Biological Diversity (initially known as the "Greater Gila Biodiversity Project") and coincidentally in the very same year as FSEEE, 1989!!! FSEEE's supporters past and present are the same people who also support and are members of the "Wilderness Society".

Wilderness Society relationship map - Muckety

Our buddy Andy Stahl, executive director of FSEEE has them registered as tax-exempt under section 501(c)(3) of the Internal Revenue Code. As such, they are eligible to receive contributions deductible as charitable donations for federal income tax purposes. However, the Better Business Bureau lists their status as not meeting standards "for Charity Accountability".

Charity Review of Forest Service Employees for Environmental Ethics

Andy also pulls his crap in places where he is even more likely to become Bear food . . . "ANDY STAHL" Juneau Empire

Here's a little deeper look into his past affiliations . . . Andy Stahl | LinkedIn

Took him six years to earn his BS in "Forest Meddling" . . . WTF??

"Forest Service Employees for Environmental Ethics was formed in 1989 by a group of Forest Service employees who suffered agency reprisals when they drew attention to illegally high logging rates".

Once the owners of the areas with illegally high logging (the Headwaters Redwoods Grove) finished raping the place of all the old growth Redwoods they could get their greedy hands on, they created groups like FSEEE, CBD and many others to make things all better! This was accomplished via the aforementioned "Spotted Owl", other "Endangered Species" and crooks in office that later “protected” what little remained congressionally. The former owners of said lands continue to fund all these groups to this day.

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http://commdocs.house.gov/committees...hii47909_0.HTM

Full document there. An Excerpt:

Mrs. CHENOWETH. Thank you very much, Dr. Boyce. The Chair now recognizes Dr. Robert Taylor, Endangered Species Group, Orangevale, California.
STATEMENT OF DR. ROBERT J. TAYLOR, ENDANGERED SPECIES GROUP, ORANGEVALE, CALIFORNIA
Dr. TAYLOR. Thank you, Madam Chairman. I've been asked to testify today because for the last 6 years I have spent a great deal of time working with data on the northern spotted owl in California—analyzing it, plotting it on maps, and feeding it into computer models.
I shall limit my answers to the three questions that form the topic of this hearing to conditions in California alone, and I'll be repeating to some extent Congressman Herger, I'm afraid.
Question one: the status of the northern spotted owl. To understand the status of the owl in California, it helps to know that the State's Department of Fish and Game has, for a number of years, maintained a centralized data base for spotted owl observations that everybody who surveys owls, public and private, contributes to and considers reliable.
At the time of the spotted owl status review in 1989, the State data base contained observations on about 500 pairs of owls. Observations were heavily clustered on national forests, with a light scattering on private land. Scientists looking at this pattern thought it meant that the owl population was becoming increasingly patchy as its old growth habitat disappeared. The few owls known to occupy second-growth forests on public or private lands were considered outcasts from good habitat, residents of population sinks where survival and reproduction were low.

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Data on private lands were largely absent at the time the listing decision was made. Intensive surveys of private industrial forests only began at that time. Subsequently, those surveys have found surprisingly large numbers of owls, resident and breeding, in second-growth commercial forests. We know now that the first impressions of the size and extent of the spotted owl population did not reflect the ecology of the spotted owl so much as they reflected incomplete and biased survey data.
Using a recent version of the State data base, I've estimated the number of breeding pairs in California to be approximately 1,800. The spatial pattern of these territories shows complete coverage of the surveyed forests of northwest California. Spotted owls are found breeding in habitats ranging from redwood forests in the north to hardwood-dominated stands in the south. California exhibits an enormous variety of managed forest types, all of which appear to be occupied by owls.
Although various habitat studies suggest that owls prefer dense stands of large trees, banding studies have not shown a difference in survival and reproduction between owls living in relatively undisturbed old growth and in managed second growth.
To summarize, the scientific theory that dominated the President's Forest Plan, that the spotted owl population was headed toward a precarious existence in a limited number of refuges, has not held up to new information gathered in California. The spotted owl appears to be more flexible in its use of forest habitats and its population more robust than originally thought.
Question two: the impact of national forest management activities on owl populations. The primary effect of the President's plan in California has been to stop nearly all logging in the national forests. What impact this has had on the spotted owl is difficult to assess since the plan was implemented shortly after the Forest Service put a nearly complete stop to owl monitoring.

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One can only speculate about the effects of an aging and an increasingly homogeneous forest on owl populations. My own speculation is that the trend will be worse for the owl, as its preferred prey in more open forests, the dusky-footed woodrat, is replaced by the smaller and less common flying squirrel.
Question three: the impact of the owl on management activities. How much of the change in national forest management should be attributed to the concern for spotted owls is difficult to know. While the owl served as the poster child for the President's Forest Plan, the FEMAT team generalized the issue far beyond this one species.
The major impact on private land, in my opinion, is the concentration of the forest industry into fewer larger landowners. Sixty-four lumber mills have closed in northern California in the last 10 years, a number of these small, family owned operations. The larger companies that survived have more resources to put into regulatory issues and have seen the values of their land soar.
How this shift will play out in forest management is not yet clear. Optimists think that private forest management will fall into increasingly professional hands. Pessimists believe that return on investment will increasingly win out over good forest stewardship.
Nobody I talk to in the regulatory agencies in California seems particularly concerned about spotted owls anymore. The species has become a low priority item. Given that, one wonders why Federal and State regulators will not consider revising habitat standards crafted back in the Dark Ages of spotted owl science. Presumably, new, relaxed standards would still ensure the conservation of the species, yet we seem to be permanently stuck in limbo on spotted owls.
Six years after the publication of a draft recovery plan, no final plan has appeared. Four years after the Fish and Wildlife Service initiated section 4(d) rules for private lands, no rule has been published. While local Fish and Wildlife personnel are perfectly willing to accept that science has changed, the agency itself seems unable or unwilling to reflect those changes in a programmatic document.

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Thank you.


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On Oct. 11, the Subcommittee on Courts, Commercial and Administrative Law
of the House Judiciary Committee will be holding a hearing on H.R. 1996, the "Government Litigation Savings Act". They will be looking into the Equal Access to Justice Act.

I haven't found out if the hearing will be web cast live, but it looks like the hearings are archived after the hearings and made available.

http://judiciary.house.gov/hearings/hear_10112011.html

http://www.govtrack.us/congress/bill.xpd?bill=h112-1996

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On Oct. 11, the Subcommittee on Courts, Commercial and Administrative Law
of the House Judiciary Committee will be holding a hearing on H.R. 1996, the "Government Litigation Savings Act". They will be looking into the Equal Access to Justice Act.

I haven't found out if the hearing will be web cast live, but it looks like the hearings are archived after the hearings and made available.

http://judiciary.house.gov/hearings/hear_10112011.html

http://www.govtrack.us/congress/bill.xpd?bill=h112-1996

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Information about the hearing and webcast is here . . . http://judiciary.house.gov/hearings/hear_10112011.html

According to this . . . /forum/land-use-issues/1012378-congress-hold-hearing-legislation-will-prevent-abuse-equal-access-t.html

But I didn't find squat other than the hearing takes place at 3:30 P.M. (I assume that's EST).

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LYIN' KING, you posted the same URL as I did and it doesn't state anything about a web cast, does it? Maybe on the hearing date it will???

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LYIN' KING, you posted the same URL as I did and it doesn't state anything about a web cast, does it? Maybe on the hearing date it will???

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The web cast is available here now: http://judiciary.house.gov/hearings/hear_10112011.html

Text of Witness Testimony

Witness List

Jeffrey Axelrad
Professor
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http://judiciary.house.gov/hearings/...2010112011.pdf

Lowell Baier
President Emeritus
The Boone and Crockett Club
http://judiciary.house.gov/hearings/...2010112011.pdf

Jennifer Ellis
Chairman
Western Legacy Alliance
http://judiciary.house.gov/hearings/...2010112011.pdf

Brian Wolfman
Visiting Professor
Georgetown University Law Center
http://judiciary.house.gov/hearings/...2010112011.pdf
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AN update on this.

I have made enough of a case that the corporate insurance attorney I have been talking to is going to look into this very heavily to recover the billions losses thay have sustained as a result of these groups actions.
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AN update on this.

I have made enough of a case that the corporate insurance attorney I have been talking to is going to look into this very heavily to recover the billions losses thay have sustained as a result of these groups actions.
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I have been asked to stay quiet for awhile, but i can say this is going to get interesting.
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Yeah, they keep suing . . .

http://www.google.com/#sclient=psy-a...w=1093&bih=475

No offense MM or JB, know it's two different issues . . .

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King,

It's all good. No worries.

The update is as follows.

The attorney was ready to drop this as he could not see the way through this. After I talked to him, he got real quiet for awhile and slowly said, "Oh shit!"

You see, in the overall and hurried, effort to make everyone pay for everything, there was a door opened that is going to be the way forward.

Since the drug companies have been sued nearly into oblivion due to unforseen consequences and complications of already approved drugs, that door got blown wide open.

So the Law of Unintended Consequences kicks in here. Since these groups saw fit to sue over whatever, they now become responsible for their actions, up to and including premeditated murder. That is where the Oh Shit! part comes in from the attorney.

This is going to take longer than I thought. I originally intended this to be a criminal negligence thing so every body could sue and get their money, but now it looks to be alot more. And all of this is supported in both past and current case law.
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I for one will be looking forward to this. It almost sounds too good to be true. Time will tell.
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Ethics Charge Hits Anti-OHV AZ Official

Dear Trail Voters,


As Arizona trail users vote today in their primary, TPAC wants to illustrate the importance of electing pro-trail candidates to both federal AND local office.
In the last election, people in Arizona elected Daniel Patterson to the state legislature.

Recently, Democratic Party leadership filed an ethics complaint against him.

Ethics Scandal Rocks Anti-OHV Politician
http://www.therepublic.com/view/stor...or-Under-Fire/

Apparently what many Arizona voters did not know about was Patterson's checked past as the head closure advocate for the Center for Biological Diversity (CBD). CBD is the main suing arm of the extreme environmental movement. Patterson championed closures throughout the West from Glamis Dunes in California to the Sand Mountain OHV Recreation Area in Nevada.

While still with CBD, Patterson was cited by BLM rangers for refusing to pay user fees at Glamis Dunes.

Story on Patterson Citation for Refusing to Pay Use Fees
http://www.off-road.com/atv/feature/...mis-13037.html

Patterson Was Also Founder of PEER's Faux OHV Group
http://www.peer.org/news/news_id.php?row_id=1005

TPAC wants to remind off-roaders to vet all of your candidates before voting for them. Many of these local politicians run for federal office at later dates where they can more effectively champion their anti-trail agenda at the national level.

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Old 04-01-2012, 03:50 PM   #20 (permalink)
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More on Patterson

http://www.tucsonweekly.com/TheRange...ed-of-violence

What a great guy.........
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More on Patterson
http://www.tucsonweekly.com/TheRange...ed-of-violence
What a great guy.........
From that linked article:
Well, last week, Escobar filed her own restraining order against Patterson. She alleges that the state legislator is trying to evade service, just as he did to his ex-wife two years ago. There is only one entrance to his current home, a gate at the driveway that is padlocked, she says, making it impossible for anyone to walk up to the door to serve him. She's hoping someone will serve him in Phoenix, since the Legislature is in session today. She says she has no money to hire a private processor.
I've got some time... and it'd be damn near worth it to meet him in person while serving him! He's probably been served by now, tho.
Classy of him to beat up on a disabled woman and pull her service dog away from him.

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wow, this is quite elightening. No surprise the CBD is just filing lawsuits to get rich, im sure they could actually give a damn about the environment.

what i find amazing is Obummer and his cronies fight Tort Reform at every corner. this would severely limit these harassing "environmental" lawsuits, and would pretty much put a complete halt to the ambulance chasers alltogether.
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I wonder why he left CBD?
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It allways amazes me that most of thes environmental groups like this have people like that high up or in charge of the orginizations. Its not just the CBD but quite a few more. Got to love them liberal minded people
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Another part this went into effect some time ago. Wifey picked up a bunch of thumb drives at an auction. So I burned alot of info on them and handed them out to hikers who were complaining about the USFS CLOSING hiking trails under the Recreation Site Facility Master Plan.

It explains the whole EAJA thing and the effects it has had on maintenance budgets and why our forest are burning.

I can still remeber the one lady asking why we keep running around in circles considering monst of what needs done has been known since at least the 1960's.

I've had more than a few rip eco bumper stickers off right in front of me wit ha few choice words involved. They are passing the info on.
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