Why do we give money to "Land Use" organizations?

[chainrnng]

why not just ride and or drive your favorite areas. The systematic closure of out door recreation areas is never going to slow or stop till everything is like yellowstone where you can pay a fee to camp on ashphalt pads and view the trees from behind a wooden fence.
jason smith

[Bebe]

Originally Posted by chainrnng

why not just ride and or drive your favorite areas. The systematic closure of out door recreation areas is never going to slow or stop till everything is like yellowstone where you can pay a fee to camp on ashphalt pads and view the trees from behind a wooden fence.
jason smith

Because we are rugged individualists.....it's not in our nature.

Besides, fees were outlawed by a Judge in National Forests, and unless you have a crystal ball you don't really know what is gonna happen.

So we will continue to fight, for our right, to wheel on public Lands.

[chainrnng]

Originally Posted by Bebe

Because we are rugged individualists.....it's not in our nature.

Besides, fees were outlawed by a Judge in National Forests, and unless you have a crystal ball you don't really know what is gonna happen.

So we will continue to fight, for our right, to wheel on public Lands.

sorry but im not drinking that koolaid. you have no rights left when will you see this?

[fermentor]

Originally Posted by Bebe

Besides, fees were outlawed by a Judge in National Forests.

How comes I gots to pay to launch my boat at Stumpy?

Did that ruling just pertain to the SoCal wienies?

[chainrnng]

Originally Posted by fermentor

How comes I gots to pay to launch my boat at Stumpy?

Did that ruling just pertain to the SoCal wienies?

same reason you pay to camp anywhere around lake tahoe,yosemite or yellowstone.

[77blazerdriver]

Originally Posted by chainrnng

sorry but im not drinking that koolaid. you have no rights left when will you see this?

Jason, I have watched you spend lots of money to build rigs. Thats a lot of money wasted if all the trails are closed.

Will

[chainrnng]

Originally Posted by 77blazerdriver

Jason, I have watched you spend lots of money to build rigs. Thats a lot of money wasted if all the trails are closed.

Will

and if you know me first hand i donate lots of $ to many funds,groups as well put in 100's of hours doing trail work and restoration work. whats your point? want to come work with me on private property? thats the only direction i belive in any more

[fermentor]

Originally Posted by chainrnng

same reason you pay to camp anywhere around lake tahoe,yosemite or yellowstone.

Yellowstone and Yosemite are National Parks.
Tahoe isn't in National Forrest, it is a separate critter - Lake Tahoe Basin Mgt Unit. Camping (and most recreation) are managed by concessionaires.

[77blazerdriver]

Originally Posted by chainrnng

and if you know me first hand i donate lots of $ to many funds,groups as well put in 100's of hours doing trail work and restoration work. whats your point? want to come work with me on private property? thats the only direction i belive in any more

Jason I appreciate the fact that you have done that. But we still need to fight the good fight and do everything possible to keep the trails open. I look forward to seeing you up at work projects.

[Jeff Knoll]

Originally Posted by kf6zpl

I was at a meeting last week discussing the Johnson Valley issue and the big "Save the Hammers" fundraising effort. That is a lobbying effort, not a legal effort.

It was pointed out that funding is coming in from around the world and nation through the paypal account set up.

And, when you break it down to the state level, more money has been donated from northern California than from southern California.

Overall, California (especially southern California) is way down on the list for $$ donated. And yet, Johnson Valley is in their backyard.

Individual donations are primarily from outside California, but the lions share of actual money has come from Southern California, with AMA D37, Hammerking, PFJV, the 3 largest. KING Shocks, and 4 wheel parts fall in line next. I would have to pull the data to go beyond that.

[BEAR]

The Sierra Club, 2010.

$48,887,087 in Donations.
$777, 832 in Salaries.
$51,855 per employee/annually(15, if divided equally)

http://foundation2.sierraclub.org/si...ure%20Copy.pdf

CBD, 2010
$7,229,803 in Donations
$3,773,848 in Salaries
$55,497 per employee/annually(68, If divided equally)

http://www.biologicaldiversity.org/p...D_2010_990.pdf

BRC, 2010
$718,098 in Donations
$308,811 in Salaries
$44,115 per employee/annually (7, If divided equally)

http://www.sharetrails.org/sites/def...rms/10F990.pdf