CBD Aiming on Coronado Forest in AZ

[atvobsession]

I noticed this on their FB page...


Want to help save one of Arizona’s most beautiful national forests from off-road vehicle destruction? You’re in luck: The Center is looking for volunteers to help us document the condition of roads in the Coronado National Forest.

[Bebe]

Link?

[atvobsession]

It's on their Facebook page. They did a shout out, asking for volunteers.

https://www.facebook.com/CenterforBioDiv

[atvobsession]

http://www.biologicaldiversity.org/a....html#coronado

[yotasmob]

Great post by Ken. Replied as well. If you look at their page, there are several posts from people angry at the CBD for their push for more lead ammunition bans. Maybe we should team up with American hunters and gun owners, seem like we are both being assaulted by the CBD.

[fermentor]

Originally Posted by yotasmob

Maybe we should team up with American hunters and gun owners, seem like we are both being assaulted by the CBD.

They aren't singling out OHV and hunters, they are against humans in general...........

[cruzila]

Correct, that is why humans in general should band together to combat these..............insert expletive here.

[Mad Machinist]

They are being taken care of. Thye are getting beat up pretty hard right now and ignored in a large part by the USFS. Even alot of the hikers here are turning against them thanks to them screwing up USFS management and the resultant Wallow Fire. There are MANY,MANY miles of hiking trails now closed in that area that will probably never be reopened.

Alot of them are now asking where these eco groups are with the money to get these trails reopened and all they are hearing is crickets since they are being ignored. I see a DRASTIC drop in membership coming for these groups.

[J-Bone]

Originally Posted by fermentor

They aren't singling out OHV and hunters, they are against humans in general...........

VERY True.

They were against prescribed burns in the Angeles National Forest. Then along comes the Station Fire. Not saying it would have prevented it, but they were against the resultig pollution and green house gases......

[atvobsession]

Originally Posted by J-Bone

VERY True.

They were against prescribed burns in the Angeles National Forest. Then along comes the Station Fire. Not saying it would have prevented it, but they were against the resultig pollution and green house gases......

Exactly. They pick whatever suits their agenda, which ultimately....just about collecting $$$$.


As Dennis Miller said.........

A few years ago, it was all about the hole in the Ozone layer...OMG, there's a hole and it's growing.....Now? You never hear about the hole in the Ozone.....now it's greenhouse gases....and we're getting hotter. So I'm supposed to believe, the temperature readings from 100 years ago, are a little cooler than the temperature readings now. Those people didn't even have toilet paper, and I'm supposed to believe their temperature readings?? What I think is, seems to me that hole in the Ozone...would just let the heat out....

[Mad Machinist]

Guess they forgot about this.

http://www.fs.fed.us/rmrs/docs/home/bark-beetle.pdf

During the last part of the 20th century, widespread treatments in lodgepole pine stands that would have created age class diversity, enhanced the vigor of remaining trees, and improved stand resiliency to drought or insect attack—such as timber harvest and thinning—lacked public acceptance. Proposals for such practices were routinely appealed and litigated, constraining the ability of the Forest Service to manage what had become large expanses of even-aged stands susceptible to a bark beetle outbreak.

Ponderosa Pine are also extremely suseptible to bark beetlre outbreaks.

So who is it that is destroying our forests? Give you a clue, it ain't us.

[RockMolester]

Much of the severity of the Angora Fire in South Lake Tahoe a few years ago came from all the dead trees that had been killed by bark beetles.

What's especially frustrating is how the environmentalists and politicians keep flip-flopping on their disaster du jour. For decades TRPA didn't allow us to clear underbrush and dead & dying trees from our lots. We had 2 houses that were within 1/4-mile of being burnt down by the Angora Fire and all that us residents could do was yell "WE TOLD YOU SO" at the top of our lungs.

So what was TRPA's response after the Angora Fire? They mandated that we all of a sudden must clear out 30+ years' of trees and underbrush from our properties. And if we didn't do it fast enough for their arbitrary timetable, we faced big fines.

The workers we were forced to hire to cut and haul all the organic material happened to cross a truck's tire six inches over the property line onto USFS land, and then a USFS Ranger ticketed them with a huge fine. They then took the workers to court over the dispute but that's a whole other can of worms that further exemplifies the government's ineptitude, but which a separate issue that we don't need to delve into here.

And of course, the mandated property-cleanup wasn't simply a matter of allowing us to finally maintain our property to a reasonable degree; after battling back and forth with TRPA about an "acceptable" number of trees on our own damn property, we were forced to basically clear-cut our entire lots. Our houses were no longer secluded in a forest environment, they're now in a wide-open suburban neighborhood. We bought those properties because we wanted forest homes, but the government ruined that for us and every other homeowner in the area. We sold those two houses and now just have our other one OUTSIDE of TRPA's jurisdiction. We can finally maintain our property ourselves without the government meddling and screwing everything up by swinging the pendulum from one extreme to the other.

The government has proven time and again that everything they touch turns to shit. And the "environmentalists" can't be trusted because they are driven by ulterior motives; the environment is simply the tool they use to get what they want. The REAL environmentalists are those of us who live, work, and play in the outdoors. Nobody has more of a stake in preserving the environment than we do, yet we're the last ones to be consulted, the ones whose arguments carry the least weight, and the first ones to get screwed when land managers start trying to manage our lands for us.

[Mad Machinist]

We have the bark beetle here too. Got us pretty good in 2003 and 2004. I find it absolutley hilarious that after decades of fighting loggers to protect the "old growth" pines, the bark beetle is coming through and killing that "old growth" to make way for the new growth.

Bark beetle, fire, or chainsaw, what's difference? The forest regenerates no matter how you look at it.