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![]() WTF do you think PLF has been doing for the last 8 months? Every Principle and Partner voted to take the case. Del and Don always say to "Trust the Experts". Even my Dad always said..."Pay the Professional"...well Bob??? Image added for emphasis ![]() Link added for background http://www.pacificlegal.org/page.aspx?pid=1730
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Senator Gaines Reats to Continued Access Restrictions for Off-Road Recreationalists
Sacramento, CA...Senator Ted Gaines (R-Rocklin) today expressed disappointment in the continued reduction in access for motorized off-road recreationalists in California following the closure by the federal government of more than 800 miles of roads and trails in the Tahoe National Forest. “This is yet another example of decisions that are not made in the best interests of the people and threaten rural economies,” said Gaines. “Thousands of outdoor enthusiasts flock to these roads each year. Protecting the environment is a big concern for us all, but I am certain there are ways we can address the necessary issues without closing hundreds of miles of trails.”..... Article in the Calaveras Pine Tree The Pacific Legal Foundation of Sacramento filed a lawsuit on Tuesday against the federal government on behalf of off-road organizations and individuals over the 800 mile closure, which leaves less than 50 miles of formerly accessible trails open for use. The lawsuit targets the Forest Service’s 2005 Tahoe National Forest Motorized Travel Management Project claiming that it violates the National Environmental Policy Act and the Administrative Procedure Act. This comes on the heels of the U.S. District Court’s decision to close 42 off-highway-vehicle routes that cross meadows in the Eldorado National Forest to motor vehicle travel this recreation season until the Forest Service completes an environmental analysis. These travel prohibitions are the result of a February 2012 court order by U.S. District Court. The order said the Forest Service failed to comply with the National Forest Management Act in 2008 when it designated “open for public motor vehicle use” portions of 42 routes that cross meadows. A final court order with further direction to the Forest Service is pending. In the interim, the court ordered the 42 routes remain closed to motorized public use. “Closing the Eldorado National Forest trails for a solid year or more is absolutely the wrong approach,” said Gaines. “Off-roading is a major hobby enjoyed by people from across the country and is a contributor to our state and regional economy. I don’t see why these trails, which have been used for decades, can’t remain open until the environmental study is complete.” To add insult to injury, the off-highway vehicle community has been further marginalized by the Democrats recent decision in Senate Budget Subcommittee #2 (Resources, Environmental Protection and Transportation) to strip up to $21 million a year, for three years, from California’s Off-Highway Vehicle (OHV) Trust Fund. These funds are specifically designated for the OHV program, reflecting years of negotiated formulas and fees between lawmakers and the OHV community. But now, the Democrats are simply taking money for other uses. In the last four budget years, a total of $133 million has been raided from the OHV trust funds for other uses. In fact, in a 2011-12 budget trailer bill, an additional $10 million of dedicated OHV trust funds were taken for the state’s general fund. “Enough is enough. It is time for the government to stop denying public access to public lands. Off-road recreationists have long enjoyed the forests in an environmentally responsible manner and there is no reason this long-standing tradition should be prohibited.” said Gaines. “I plan to follow these issues closely and will remain working to make sure that OHV users get the access they deserve and that rural economies are protected.” Senator Ted Gaines represents the 1st Senate District, which includes all or parts of Alpine, Amador, Calaveras, El Dorado, Lassen, Modoc, Mono, Nevada, Placer, Plumas, Sacramento and Sierra counties. Sweet!
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Okay, Bob's OFFICIALLY on board finally! Jesus Tapdancing Christ that took a long time! Now we can stop our damn bickering amongst ourselves and redirect our frustration at the REAL source of the problem.
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I love Ted....in a representative kind of way.
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http://www.theoutdoorwire.com/features/226216
Taking Aim At November Thursday, July 19, 2012 Our friend Bill Karr at Western Outdoor News tells us the battle between the United States Forest Service and motor sports enthusiasts is officially "on". The Eldorado National Forest is the battleground, and Karr says the Forest Service has already closed off more than 800 miles of "public lands". "Old camping sites used for decades blocked by tons of rock; roads closed with gates and downed trees and draconian enforcement by the Forest Service rangers" is how Karr described the situation. Apparently a group of seven motor sports groups have had enough of these closures. The Pacific Legal Foundation filed a lawsuit on Tuesday on behalf of six organizations and two individuals over the whole closure idea. The U.S. Forest Service, US Department of Agriculture, Ag Secretary Tom Vilsack, Forest Service Chief Tom Tidwell and Pacific Southwest Regional Forester Randy Moore and Tahoe National Forest Supervisor Tom Quinn are all named in the suit. The lawsuit is seeking to have the conclusions of the Forest Service's 2005 Tahoe National Forest Motorized Travel Management Project struck down on grounds that it violates both the National Environmental Policy and the Administrative Policy Acts. That project was ostensibly designed to be a collaborative effort between officials and riding enthusiasts wanting to help with the selection of trails to remain open for riders. Instead, the suit alleges, there are now only about 50 miles of trails open and more than 800 miles scheduled to be blocked for riders. The lawsuit asks that the Forest Service be required to restart the process of implementing the Tahoe National Forest Motorized Travel Management Project and all trails remain open in the meantime. As of this morning's edition, the Forest Service has not responded.
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I appreciate Ted.
I *APPRECIATE* Mila. I fawkin' LOVE giving USFS what they asked for. Many of us worked hard to help TNF craft a reasonable Travel Management Plan. Many of us commented and appealed the FEIS when it was a stinker. Many of us commented the SDEIS... and some kept their appeals going when the SDEIS, too, was a disappointment. Kudos to this coalition for keeping it going when everyone else had faded away. TNF had the chance to craft a reasonable TM plan collaboratively. Here's hoping they do better after judicial review. I went to the mat on the Eldorado, believing it to be the precedent to fight for... but I'd love for TNF to set that precedent, since we're just not doing that well on the Eldorado. Randii |
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To those fighting this, thank you.
http://www.mn-jeep.com/forum/showthr...904#post237904 This will spread like wildfire...
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THAAAAAAANK YOU!!!
THANKS A TON to the groups spearheading this and the PLF for taking the ball!! Ive been HOPING for a PROACTIVE move on behalf of the OHV in lieu of just sitting back and WAITING for word of the next trail to get closed, starting a letter campaign which the officials involved dont get right anyway and having them closed! Me personally...Its become more the POINT than the outcome. I confess that I havent been active in land use for very long (I havent actually been AWARE of scope of the issues for very long either) but as an American who loves the hobby it KILLS ME that we just get KICKED and keep taking it. Im TIRED of waiting for things to happen in the political arena because by the time that happens...MORE TRAILS GET CLOSED and no progress has been made!! You all are my HEROES!!! Keith
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Reno Gazette posts a 4 page article 8/17
http://www.rgj.com/article/20120819/...ss-public-land Lawsuits fly over access to public land Off-road group claims restrictions are illegal To Reno’s Carl Adams, “a battle wages” as he and others who cherish motorized recreation in the backcountry strive to protect access they insist is increasingly threatened. Environmentalists counter that a crackdown on dirt bikes, Jeeps and all-terrain vehicles they say have profoundly damaged public land is long overdue. Federal land managers such as the U.S. Forest Service and Bureau of Land Management insist they’re trying to strike a balance between recreation and resource protection, a touchy endeavor drawing fire from both sides. It’s a debate that’s been ramping up for years and that shows little sign of diminishing in its passion, with the forests of the Sierra and rangeland of western Nevada squarely in the cross hairs. “People care about this,” said Leo Drumm, travel and transportation coordinator for the Nevada BLM office. “As soon as you mention there could be a (road) closure, people get angry because they are used to being able to go where they want to go. When you mention opening new areas, people get angry because they think we’re trashing the environment.” The latest salvo was fired July 17 when the Pacific Legal Foundation, representing off-highway recreationists, sued the U.S. Forest Service over its travel management plan for Tahoe National Forest, an 800,000-acre swath of public land west of Reno widely used by western Nevada residents. The plan, adopted in 2010 as part of a national policy direction, illegally closed more than 800 miles of roads and trails enjoyed by the public for decades, the lawsuit contends. “We are filing this lawsuit to stop the U.S. Forest Service from illegally padlocking vast areas of the Tahoe National Forest and blocking the public from enjoying responsible recreational use of public lands,” Brandon Middleton, foundation attorney, said in a statement. Middleton claims the Forest Service misled the public by promising a plan that would maintain adequate access into the forest but instead imposed a policy of sweeping closures, an act he described as a “bait and switch game.” Tahoe National Forest officials said they could not comment on the lawsuit. The plan is associated with policy announced by then-Forest Service Chief Dale Bosworth in 2005. Bosworth at the time described unrestricted use of off-highway vehicles as one of the four biggest threats to national forest land along with wildfire, loss of open space and invasive species. He said off-highway vehicles, or OHVs, should be restricted to designated roads and trails across nearly 193 million acres of national forests and grasslands. National forests were directed to prepare plans determining roads and trails where motorized recreation should continue to be allowed and which ones should be closed to the activity. The BLM, which manages some 48 million acres across Nevada, has embarked on a similar direction but is far behind the Forest Service in implementation. Conservation groups sue The latest legal tussle over motorized recreation in California’s Tahoe National Forest follows another over the same issue in Eldorado National Forest, located on the west flank of the Sierra just to the south. In that case, the shot was fired by the other side. A coalition of environmental groups sued the Forest Service in 2009 over a travel management plan released for the Eldorado the previous year. The suit accused the Forest Service of approving a strategy that “illegally prioritizes off-road vehicle use at the expense of traditional recreation and forest health,” according to a statement released at the time by the Center for Biological Diversity, one of the plaintiffs. In May of 2011, a federal judge ruled in favor of the conservation groups, concluding the plan favored motorized recreation over protection of sensitive forest resources in violation of federal law. On Tuesday, Judge Lawrence Karlton ordered the Forest Service to close 89 miles of popular off-highway vehicle routes that traverse meadows in a ruling associated with the case. The two lawsuits are characteristic of a dispute over motorized recreation on public land that has both sides operating aggressively, said Karen Schambach, president of the Center for Sierra Nevada Conservation, a party in the Eldorado forest litigation. The Pacific Legal Foundation’s suit, Schambach said, attacks a plan that from her perspective doesn’t go far enough in protecting Tahoe National Forest. “They want unlimited use,” Schambach said of motorized recreationists. “I think this lawsuit is based on a philosophic position that nobody should tell people they can’t drive wherever they want. They had decades of going anywhere they wanted. That might have been OK in the 1950s. It’s not now.” The Forest Service’s approach to closing some roads and restricting motorized recreation to others is a logical and needed step in addressing a mounting problem that had OHVs damaging meadows and streams, hillsides and sensitive wildlife habitat, Schambach said. “It had to stop. It was the rational thing to do,” Schambach said. “It flies in the face of why we have national forests.” 'Access Denied' Adams, a Reno resident who regularly rides dirt bikes and Jeeps on national forest land, begs to differ. He accuses federal land managers of a preservation bias when it comes to motorized recreation, an emphasis he said violates a cornerstone mission of managing public land for multiple uses. Many roads and trails that aren’t closed outright are being shut down seasonally, said Adams, who recently produced a video entitled “Access Denied: Closing our Forests.” Some roads left open are difficult to access because connecting routes are closed, while travel maps prepared by the government can be difficult or impossible to interpret, Adams said. Regulations proposed for Tahoe National Forest, Adams said, are a case in point. “Basically, the Forest Service is deviating from its congressional mandate for multiple use. They’re substituting a self-defined agenda of preservationism,” Adams said. “The entire process is a farce. It’s clear the Forest Service doesn’t want the public in the forest.” Where the Forest Service leads, the BLM will follow, Adams predicts. As the bureau updates resource management plans for vast tracts of land it manages across Nevada, roads will close and access to much public land will be lost in the years ahead, Adams said. Impacts to the Silver State’s economy could be severe, he said. “It’s going to happen with BLM and it’s going to have a tremendous impact on our state,” Adams said. “This preservationist agenda, which the greens love, is going to sweep through Nevada.” Representatives of the Forest Service and BLM insist they’re doing the best they can to protect the natural resources they manage in a sustainable manner while offering a full range of alternative uses of the land. An aim of all decisions made is that they be legally defensible. Nevada’s Humboldt-Toiyabe National Forest, at 6.3 million acres the largest national forest in the lower 48 states, should have travel plans and vehicle maps prepared for all of its districts by the end of the year, said Forest Supervisor Jeanne Higgins. A designated route system for the 48 million acres of Nevada managed by the BLM should be in place within a decade, Drumm said. The notion the government wants to block the public’s access to national forest is off-base, Higgins said. “We’re not doing that,” Higgins said. “They can still access many parts of the forest by motorized means. We’re trying to balance the need to protect certain resources and provide for access for all uses, and that’s not just motorized recreation.” Impacts to public land by a growing population and the steadily increasing popularity of off-highway recreation make policy changes necessary, Drumm said. According to a government report released when the Forest Service adopted its new motorized vehicle strategy in 2005, the number of dirt bikes and all-terrain vehicles rose from about 2.9 million in 1993 to about 8 million in 2003, an increase of 174 percent. OHV sales more than tripled between 1995 and and 2003 to more than 1.1 million, the report said. The impact on BLM land has been clear, as is the need to update land management plans, Drumm said. “Twenty or 25 years ago, when most of these plans were done, we didn’t have the population and we didn’t have the motorized use. People just didn’t use the land,” Drumm said. There’s no way to make needed changes and keep everyone happy, he said. “What we’re actually striving for is to manage our resources for multiple use and we have all these different uses,” Drumm said. “We know that with every one of our decisions, somebody is going to be unhappy and somebody is going to be rejoicing.”
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By RYAN ABBOTT
WASHINGTON (CN) - The timber, beef and off-road vehicle industries claim in court that the U.S. Forest Service is illegally regulating the National Forests and giving scientists "improper influence," by seeking ecological sustainability above industry profits. Lead plaintiff Federal Forest Resource Coalition, and 13 other industry groups, claim, Secretary of Agriculture Thomas Vilsack and the Forest Service are violating the National Forest Management Act, the Multiple-Use Sustained-Yield Act, the Organic Administration Act, and the Administrative Procedure Act. The trade groups - which include the National Cattlemen's Beef Association and the California Association of 4 Wheel Drive Clubs - claim Vilsack "is causing current and threatened injury to the plaintiffs" by promoting ecological sustainability before economic interests. The objectionable "Planning Rule is codified at 36 C.F.R. Part 219 (2012)," according to the complaint. The complaint states: "The Organic Administration Act (OAA) of 1897, 16 U.S.C § 475, as interpreted by the Supreme Court, directs that national forests are to be 'as far as practicable controlled and administered' for only two purposes - to conserve water flows, and to furnish a continuous supply of timber for the American people - and not for aesthetic, environmental, recreational, or wildlife-preservation purposes. As the Supreme Court also found, Congress' intent in OAA was that national forests were not to be set aside for non-use. MUSYA [the Multiple-Use Sustained-Yield Act] recognized certain additional purposes of the national forests, but provided that the additional purposes are supplemental to, but not in derogation of, the two purposes for which the national forests were to be established and administered under the OAA. 16 U.S.C. § 528." The industry groups claim Vilsack announced his vision for the National Forests in 2009, with revised planning rules focusing on conservation, management and restoration. The culmination of the rulemaking process "is causing current and threatened injury to the plaintiffs" by focusing too much on ecological sustainability, the groups say. The new planning rule, in a departure from the 1897 federal law, "requires unconditionally that for the purpose of achieving 'ecological sustainability' all plans must 'maintain or restore the ecological integrity of terrestrial and aquatic ecosystems and watersheds in the plan area, including plan components to maintain or restore structure, function, composition, and connectivity ...' All plans must also 'maintain or restore: (i) Air quality. (ii) Soils and soil productivity, including guidance to reduce soil erosion and sedimentation. (iii) Water quality. (iv) Water resources in the plan area, including lakes, streams, and wetlands; ground water; public water supplies; sole source aquifers; source water protection areas; and other sources of drinking water (including guidance to prevent or mitigate detrimental changes in quantity, quality, and availability),' must 'maintain or restore the ecological integrity of riparian areas in the plan area,' and must 'establish width(s) for riparian management zones around all lakes, perennial and intermittent streams, and open water wetlands,'" the plaintiffs complain. They say that maintaining ecological integrity and ecosystem diversity is not what Congress had in mind when it passed the National Forest Management Act National Forest Management Act. Neither was giving scientists "improper influence" over natural resource management decisions, the trade groups say. "The Planning Rule unlawfully limits the information on which forest planning decisions can be based by requiring all decisionmakers to 'use' the best available scientific information for every forest management decision," the complaint states. The groups add: "The rule effectively trivializes public participation by forbidding decisions based on non-scientific information, which is what the great majority of public comments will contain. Field professionals such as foresters, range conservationists, and biologists often make management decisions using professional judgment based on experience gained from the results of on-the-ground implementation of resource management practices. The rule gives 'scientists' improper influence on natural resource management decisions, and skews multiple-use management by improperly elevating scientific information as the centerpiece of forest management ..." The groups also claim that the rule's mandate to prohibit timber harvesting of lands not suited for timber production, its definition of "sustainable recreation," and its assurances to keep harvesting levels at a sustainable rate violate federal laws. The plaintiffs are the Federal Forest Resource Coalition, the American Forest Resource Council, the Blueribbon Coalition, the California Association of 4 Wheel Drive Clubs, the Public Lands Council, the National Cattlemen's Beef Association, the American Sheep Industry Association, the Alaska Forest Association, the Resource Development Council for Alaska, the Minnesota Forest Industries Inc., the Minnesota Timber Producers Association, the California Forestry Association and the Montana Wood Products Association. They want the court to declare that Secretary Vilsack violated federal law with the planning rule, and an order vacating it. The groups are represented by Mark Rutzick. Source: http://www.cnsenvironmentallaw.com/2012/08/15/1171.htm More: http://www.sharetrails.org/news/2012...ng-regulations Last edited by LYIN' KING; 08-20-2012 at 10:38 AM. Reason: formatting |
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Bummer on the title of that article:
Money Should Come Before Trees in National Forests, Industries Say
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Thanks Bob, I may have never figured that out all by myself
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A great article about the Pacific Legal Foundation
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Just wondering if anyone here has realized the signifigance of the list of plaintiffs involved in this case?
Loggers, ranchers, and OHVers on the same page about anything? Never thought I'd see it in my lifetime. |
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That is a good point as when I think of the people these closures impact...I think more RECREATIONS and not businesses.
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