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Join Date: Jun 2001
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Location: Roy Ut
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Urgent Bad news for Utah
This is not good! Please call your reps and say you don't want to support it!
Outdoor companies ask Obama for Utah monument | ksl.com We also need a copy of the letter and what companies backed this. Matt Wetrich AKA The Big Sarge President Utah 4Wheel Drive Assocation |
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Join Date: Jan 2009
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Location: Huntington Beach, CA
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This could be a rough one to keep from happening in that the President, under his authority of the Antiquities Act can designate the land at will with no pubic process or debate in Congress.
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Join Date: May 2012
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Location: Wisdom, MT
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OIA Canyonlands Monument Letter
Here is the Outdoor Industry Association letter on the Canyonlands Monument proposal, with a list ofmember companies supporting it. The OIA has long been led by some hard core anti-OHV folks, with North Face and Patagonia being some of the biggest and most vocal. Patagonia also paid for the production of a huge glossy coffee table book that is nothing but a total hit piece on motorized recreation, called "Thrillcraft"
Thrillcraft - The Environmental Consequences of Motorized Recreation Most of the companies make backpacking or mountaineering products, but several major companies sellproducts to our community as well, such as Camelback, Fat Tire beer, Jansport, Red Wing Shoes, and several restauraunts in Moab The formatting gets messed up when I paste this letter in, so here is a link to the letter also: http://www.eenews.net/assets/2012/11...ment_gw_01.pdf President Barack Obama The White House 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue NW Washington, DC 20500 Dear Mr. President, We are writing to encourage you to protect Greater Canyonlands – the magnificent 1.4 million-acre region of publicly-owned wildlands surrounding Canyonlands National Park in southern Utah – by proclaiming it a national monument. Greater Canyonlands is without question a world class landscape deserving of the highest levels of protection. It is a place of unparalleled beauty, a geologic wonderland and a treasure trove of ancient cultural and archeological artifacts. Greater Canyonlands also offers superlative recreational opportunities that draw people from around the globe. Many of us know and love the Greater Canyonlands area firsthand, and would like to see the area preserved because it is a premier part of our nation’s natural heritage. But as people who make their living in the outdoor industry, we also want to stress that preserving landscapes like Greater Canyonlands makes good economic sense. Wildlands are the foundational infrastructure for our industry. A study recently released by the Outdoor Industry Association notes that outdoor recreation is “an overlooked economic giant,” generating $646 billion in national sales and services in 2011 and supporting 6.1 million jobs, powering the economy in a manner comparable to the financial services and insurance industries or outpatient health care. As highlighted by the Western Governors Association, in western states alone outdoor recreation spending equaled almost $256 billion (nearly 40% of the national total) and supported 2.3 million jobs. The future of our outdoor recreation economy depends on protecting iconic landscapes – such as Greater Canyonlands – where people go to recreate. And monument proclamation is an important and effective way to provide the protection that is needed. We also turn to you for action because unfortunately, Greater Canyonlands is endangered. Federal land use plans inappropriately open scenic and undeveloped land to drilling and mining and fail to address exploding off-road vehicle use that is damaging riparian areas, cultural sites, soils and solitude. Now, the state of Utah is demanding that the federal government turn over 30 million acres of federal land for potential development and/or privatization and is asserting the right to expand and pave 40,000 miles of dirt routes and trails that crisscross Utah’s federally-owned wildlands. Both actions would result in the despoiling of Greater Canyonlands. We hope you will act to protect Greater Canyonlands. Thank you for your vision and leadership. Outdoor Industry Association Boulder, CO Frank Hugelmeyer President and CEO Black Diamond Equipment Salt Lake City, UT Peter Metcalf CEO and Lead Founder Backcountry.com Park City, UT Jill Layfield CEO Eastern Mountain Sports Peterborough, NH Will Manzer CEO Petzl Clearfield, UT Roody Rasmussen Senior Vice President Western Spirit Cycling Moab, UT Ashley Korenblat CEO Patagonia Ventura, CA Casey Sheahan President PROBAR LLC Salt Lake City, UT Jules Lambert President Gregory Mountain Products Salt Lake City, UT Billy Kulczycki President Mountain Hardwear Richmond, CA Topher Gaylord President Canyon Voyages Adventure Company Moab, UT Don and Denise Oblak Owners Rim Tours Moab, UT Kirstin Peterson Owner Teva Goleta, CA Joel Heath President Moki Mac Green River, UT Bob Quist Owner Moab Cliffs and Canyons Moab, UT Brett Sutteer Owner Jansport Morland, KS Skip Yowell Co-Founder Lost River Clothing Company Moab, UT Dave Knowles President Skinny Tire Events -- Road Cycling in Moab Moab, UT Beth Logan Owner Red Wing Shoes Red Wing, MN Bill Sweasy Chairman/CEO Canyonlands Field Institute Moab, UT Karla VanderZanden Director Miguel’s Baja Grill Moab, UT Dave Bodner Owner Camelbak Petaluma, CA Sally McCoy President and CEO Magpie Adventures Moab, UT Maggie Wilson Owner Ekletica Cafe Moab, UT Julie Fox Owner Prana Carlsbad, CA Theodosakis Beaver, Founder Scott Kerslake, CEO Moab Destination Management Moab, UT Fiona Raison President Moab Coffee Roasters Moab, UT Jana Wilson Owner Osprey Packs Mill Valley, CA Michael Pfotenhauer Owner and Founder Horny Toad Activewear Santa Barbara, CA Kate Larramendy Design Director With Gaia Design Moab, UT Kalen Jones Owner Marmot Mountain, LLC Rohnert Park, CA Mark Martin President North Face San Leandro, CA Ann Krcik Director Outdoor Participation Nichols Expeditions Moab, UT Chuck and Judy Nichols Owners American Recreation Products Boulder, CO Brett Jordan CEO Nikwax Waterproofing Seattle, WA Chas Fisher President White Horse Residential Homes Moab, UT Mark Griffith Managing Partner Bergans USA, LLC Longmont, CO Patry Loomis President The Conservation Alliance Bend, OR John Sterling Executive Director Desert Bistro Moab, UT Karl and Michelle Kelley Owners Aspen Skiing Company Aspen, CO Mike Kaplan President/CEO Backbone Media LLC Carbondale, CO Nate Simmons Partner and Founder High and Wild Castle Valley, UT Jay Smith Owner Adventure Bound River Expeditions Grand Junction, CO Tom Kleinschnitz President Ute Mountaineer Aspen, CO Bob and Ruth Wade Owners Far Out Expeditions Bluff, UT Vaughn Hadenfeldt Owner/Guide Loki Outerwear Grand Junction, CO Seth Anderson Co-Owner Whitewater West Grand Junction, CO Pete and Monica Atkinson Owners Bryce Valley KOA Kampground Cannonville, UT John Holland Owner 4 Corners Riversports Durango, CO Andy Corra President Pine Needle Mountaineering Durango, CO Jeremy Dakan Owner Imlay Canyon Gear Mt. Carmel Junction, UT Nolan Jones President Mountain Waters Rafting and Adventure Co. Durango, CO James Wilkes & Dan Bechtel Owners Deer Hill Expeditions Mancos, CO Douglas and Beverly Capelin Owners and Founders Red Desert Adventures Springdale, UT Eric Draper Owner Kling Mountain Guides Durango, CO Josh Kling Owner Open Sky Wilderness Therapy Durango, CO Aaron Fernandes CEO Wasatch Touring Salt Lake City, UT Charlie and Dwight Butler Owners and Founders Verde PR and Consulting Durango, CO Kristin Carpenter-Ogden CEO and Founder Venture Snowboards Silverton, CO Klemens and Lisa Branner Owners The Family Outing Murray, UT Richard Luke Owner New Belgium Brewing Ft. Collins, CO Jenn Vervier Director, Strategic Development and Sustainability Neptune Mountaineering Boulder, CO Gary Neptune Owner and Founder International Mountain Equipment Salt Lake City, UT Scott Carson Owner La Sportiva Boulder, CO Jonathan Lantz President Scarpa Boulder, CO Kim Miller CEO Trio Restaurant Group Salt Lake City, UT Mikel Trapp Owner GTHI Boulder, CO Malcolm Daly Founder The Access Fund Boulder, CO Brady Robinson Executive Director SOAR Communications Salt Lake City, UT Chip Smith President Stohlquist WaterWare Alamosa, CO Jim Stolhquist President Outside Adventure Film School Boulder, CO Michael Brown Founder Outdoor Utah Adventure Guide Salt Lake City, UT Red Oelerich Editor-in-Chief Veterans Expeditions Boulder, CO Nick Watson Army Ranger Fishpond Inc. Denver, CO John Land Le Coq CEO and Founder Excalibur Distribution/ DMM Inc. Sandy, UT Steve Petro CEO American Alpine Club Golden, CO Phil Powers Executive Director Stonewear Designs Louisville, CO Kitty Bradley President SNOCRU Sundance, UT Ed Lewis Founder NRS Moscow, Idaho Bill Parks Founder Chalk Bag Specialist Pocatello, ID San Krieg Owner Quality Bicycle Products Ogden, UT Steve Flagg President Asana Climbing Boise, ID Jamey Sproul Founder Wild Iris Mountain Sports Lander, WY Jennifer Barrett Owner Alpine Sports Ogden, UT Peggie Chambers Ambrey Owner Oceanmedix.com, LLC Wilson, WY Dennis Emory Co-Founder The Base Camp Billings, MT Scott Brown Owner Thompson Manufacturing Inc. Clearfield, UT Rock Thompson President Outdoor Research Seattle, WA Dan Nordstrom President International Mountain Guides Ashford, WA Phil Ershler Logan Outdoor Products/ Camp Chef Logan, UT Ty Measom President Far Bank Enterprises Bainbridge Island, WA Travis Campbell CEO Mountain Gear Spokane Valley, WA Paul Fish President Ultralight Adventure Equipment Logan, UT Chris McMaster Owner Peak Sports Corvalis, OR Jeff Katz Owner Montrail Richmond, CA Topher Gaylord President Treasure Mountain Inn Park City, UT Andy Beerman Owner Mountain Tools Carmel, CA Larry Arthur CEO and Lead Founder Mammoth Mountaineering Supply Mammoth Lakes, CA Dave Talsky President Christoph & Company Park City, UT Lesley Christoph President Wilson’s Eastside Sports Bishop, CA James Wilson Owner Desert Rock Sports Las Vegas, NV Steve Mallory Owner Grassroots Outdoor Alliance Park City, UT Roanne Miller President Midwest Mountaineering Minneapolis, MN Rod Johnson Owner and Founder River Sports Outfitters Knoxville, TN Laura Jones General Manager Burton Snowboards Burlington, VT Jake Burton Carpenter Donna Carpenter Owners Jetboil, Incorporated Manchester, NH Perry Dowst President and CEO Mammut Sports Group Shelbourne, VT Bill Supple CEO Penguin Brands Greater Boston Area, MA Donna Williams SR Sales Manager River Runner Outdoor Center Columbia, SC Guy Jones President Pack and Paddle Lafayette, LA Rebecca Williams Owner Pack Rat Outdoor Center Fayettville, AR Carolyn Crook Owner Rabbit Mountain Miami, FL Edward Gerety President Equip Derbyshire, UK Matt Gowar CEO Exped Zurich, Switzerland Heidi Brun CEO |
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Join Date: Jul 2012
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The town of Moab would dry up except for the hiking and Cycling shops that are supporting this. What a total load of crap. I rode in the Moab area this year and was amazed at the beauty of the area. There are already areas for cycling and hiking where ohv's are not allowed. I was amazed and how well the trails were being taken care of. In many places you could hardly tell there that a trail even existed. I have a sinking feeling after 4 more years of Obama/ Salazar that our best riding spots will be shut down for the "good of the Enviroment"(read to make the greenies money and to punish us ohv'ers). Guess I will never buy another product from Jansport or Camelbak or any of the other comanies listed.
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Join Date: Apr 2001
Member # 3975
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OIA Attacks Utah
This landuse email about Utah comes to you from Del Albright.
UTAH UNDER THE GUN FROM OUTDOOR INDUSTRY ASSOCIATION Outdoor Industry Association (businesses making a living off the great outdoors) launches massive attack on Utah for more land restrictions, this time in the form of a new Monument Proposal that 100 businesses signed onto and sent to President Obama. I don’t think anyone asked Utah what they thought….??? Some companies that are in the forefront of closing lands seem to include: Teva, CamelBak, Moab Coffee Roasters, North Face, New Belgium Brewing, and more. I’m really surprised that REI did not sign on as they are usually in the lead for more Wilderness and motorized restrictions. Pdf with companies listed: http://www.delalbright.com/Access/Ca...s%20letter.pdf BRC Alert and what to do: https://www.sharetrails.org/alerts/2...pushed-in-utah National leaders are taking a counter action to this, but you can help too. Go to the BRC alert and do what you can. Thank you, Del Del Albright Ambassador, BlueRibbon Coalition Home | BlueRibbon Coalition Founding Trail Boss, Friends of the Rubicon Friends of the Rubicon Environmental Affairs, CA4WDC Home - California Association of 4WD Clubs, Inc. Find us on Facebook here Contact Del at del@delalbright.com Website: Land Use, Access and Rubicon Trail Home Page by Del Albright including Volunteer Training and Outdoor Photography |
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Join Date: Apr 2012
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I'm so happy to see some "fired up" people after such a lame reckoning of elections. I was thinking everybody was fired up before the election, but gaging the voter turnout I guess I was mistaken. In essence of all the seccession petitions filed, and the fact that the reigning dictator in DC has pretty much untouchable power when it comes to these issues.... lets pray he is preoccupied with higher priorities like the middle east, and military sex scandals... that don't actually destroy our military and intelligence processes. The BIG picture here, is that WE all need to PUSH and PUSH HARD for the sovereignty of "states rights". This is Utah's issue, and I'm going to sign on and SUPPORT the state of Utah in their request! We need to make that argument clear. All of the states joining into a union was a concept that served its purpose of the greater good. In the later years of the 1900's only led to big government agencies and bloated blanket environmental policies that are no longer necessary nor are they viable, let alone affordable in the current world. Voting with our dollars is a powerful form of communication but not as effective as directly writing letters to these companies, its obvious that the leftists that wrote some of these companies "into" their plot have cheated and lied as they drafted the letters, just like the majority of leftists do. Write your local and state constituents! Tell them we MUST limit the power of these federal agencies, and find ways to limit the power or at a minimum BOG DOWN these extreme leftist special interest organizations with the VERY thing that they wield as a weapon, "paperwork and regulation" fight fire with fire. Make it impossible for them to operate without jumping through firey hoops and chasing ends of rainbows. How about a minimum of a "comprehensive environmental analysis" MUST be completed following about a 7000 page format before they can restrict useage of any land for any reason....???? Why can we just have massive property's locked up by the stroke of a pen? Thats crazy! The way I see it this type of issue they MUST prove the validity of their claims, the effectiveness of their plan.... just like all the mining permit requests, or even oil company's who want to go drill a well on property they already paid millions of dollars to "explore"...?? They have to provide some "comprehensive plan" and it has to be available, to go through a public "review" hearing in respective local courts before anything gets approved for a go ahead. Executive Orders need to dissappear. That's waayy too much power for one man and an agenda. Cheers? This is the ONLY way to gain any form of control on what happens to our backcountry access. What the heck right does any "national" or "fed" organization have on what happens in ANY state? They don't. An often heard comment "As long as its what the majority wants" I don't give a crap what the majority of this "country" wants. Especially when we are talking about a local matter. Majority from the locals who live there? Hell yeah they deserve the voice. Tis their back yard. Thanks for listening.
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Join Date: Feb 2010
Member # 154115
Location: The Woodlands
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#124. Between the con, this, and me not having my rig finished for another half year, and then trying to get time off, I may never get the chance to wheel these awesome holy grail areas.
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Join Date: Apr 2001
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Help ARRA and Our Partners Push Back Against Massive National Monument Designations!
Urge your Members to Oppose Efforts to Lock Up Enormous Tracts of Public Lands
Earlier this week non-motorized recreation groups joined a number of Utah businesses on a letter to President Obama urging him to designate 1.4 million acres of public lands in Utah as a National Monument. The letter stated, “Federal land use plans inappropriately open scenic and undeveloped land to drilling and mining and fail to address exploding off-road vehicle use that is damaging riparian areas, cultural sites, soils and solitude” (emphasis added). Of course the letter fails to note that a recent management plan was put in place for the area that is supported by local governments and limits motorized and non-motorized activities to routes that have been subject to environmental analysis and public involvement. Further, the letter from non-motorized organizations cites an economic impact study that shows “that outdoor recreation is ‘an overlooked economic giant,’ generating $646 billion in national sales and services in 2011 and supporting 6.1 million jobs...” Again, they are telling only part of the story. The same study shows that approximately $257 billion or nearly 40% of the total $646 billion in economic impact is derived from motorized recreation. And, as you know, motorized recreation is far too often shut out of National Monument areas. ARRA and our partners are pushing back. Click here to view a response letter signed by 14 national organizations representing responsible motorized recreation. This letter is a start, but we need your help to ensure that the President understands that effective land management is best achieved through deliberative local processes that engage all stakeholders – not through Administrative fiat. Please click the Take Action link to send an email to the President opposing this and other massive, inappropriate designations of National Monuments. It is important for motorized recreation enthusiasts all across the country to weigh in as today anti-access organizations have targeted Utah, but tomorrow it may be your state. TAKE ACTION! Last edited by LYIN' KING; 11-16-2012 at 09:45 AM. Reason: formatting |
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Join Date: Sep 2002
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Join Date: Oct 2010
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I ended up kind of getting sucked into this one...
So personally, i kind of bridge the gap between the "Outdoor Industry" and the "OHV" user groups. my vision of an ideal weekend is hitching the jeep to the diesel, throwing the camping, climbing and biking gear in the back, and truckin down i70 for the weekend to moab, its one of the few places where you can satisfy all of that in world class fashion. so given this, and the fact that we live in Boulder county, our friends, neighbors, coworkers and buddies are some of the people involved in this and i've spent the last couple of days having some pretty interesting conversations with some of the people involved. I come to find out that the intent of this letter was NOT to alienate the OHV people and i've been told over and over and over again that is as much about protecting the OHV use as any other, and the point is to oppose the extractive industries. to me via email, the letter has been acknowledged as "crappy and inflammatory" towards the OHV industry and needs to be rewritten, but the outdoors industry DOESN'T KNOW and DOESN'T UNDERSTAND the OHV industry and the best they knew how to do was to go to some of the moab area ohv tour providers who clearly don't reflect the OHV group as a whole. this is a PEOPLE PROBLEM. the right people in the OHV business need to be put in touch with the right people in outdoors so that off highway recreation can be properly represented in a cohesive effort against oil and gas. so thats what i want to find out. i want to find out who the right people to represent the OHV interested are and i can do my best to put them in touch with some of my other contacts in the outdoors industry. this is kind of a new thing.... i guarantee that climbers, bikers and jeepers (toyota's and buggy too...) all really really love the moab area so we need to figure out a way to all work together. so if you can help with this, please send me a pm, post here, or an email to euroford@gmail.com with some names, emails or telephone numbers that i can spread over to some outdoor industry contacts and maybe this whole thing can be sorted out a bit better. of we can just bitch on the internet! and let em drill!!
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Join Date: May 2005
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We have two thread going about the same thing. Would be nice to put it all in one place..........
http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/gener...your-list.html As I posted in there, this letter from Gregory states: "The Outdoor Industry Association proposal for a Canyonlands National Monument WOULD KEEP ROADS AND TRAILS OPEN TO MOTORIZED TRAVEL. The outdoor industry is asking for this Monument to protect recreation of all types---biking, jeeping, hiking, horses, ohv's, hang gliders, base jumpers---EVERYBODY." So unless somebody can tell me wrong, this thing sounds pretty good to me. I agree with what euroford said above - we need to work together, not against each other.
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"All Whee Drive!"
Join Date: Aug 2001
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Location: Concord, CA
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Knaffie, please read my posts/links in the other thread.
I think Greg (& others) have been misled by the people behind the letter/monument proposal. Feel free to share what I have found with him. |
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It is entirely understandable given the importance and significance of the issue but to keep things clean the "search before post" approach would seem to have been prudent. This one was first, put up by a member of a club local to the fight! |
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Join Date: Sep 2002
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That being said here is a quote from the letter by OIA. Quote:
That letter and the groups that signed it might be a good start for OIA if they really want to have a discussion. My hat is off to you for trying to bridge the gap. I agree with that type of effort. Solutions, not just complaints. How can i help? The thing that makes me smile is how much better the OHV groups are working together, and how powerful the message can be when they are in harmony.
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still not many signing the petition! if this happens it wont only be bad for utah..
people are still going to wheel! so colorado /az/new mexico/ even the hammers and rubicon will get more traffic if moab is closed.. that will lead to more complains about damage to the trails in those areas.. we all need to help everyone out and join together and not just win this battle but lets win the damn war and get this over with!
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another misguided company
Ashley Korenblat ashley@westernspirit.com 1:00 PM (4 hours ago) to me Hi James, Not sure where you are getting your info, but it will not close one bike trail or motorized route. The point is to protect against oil and gas and other extractive industries around the National Park. Ashley
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Today's Press Release by OIA.....
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ALL outdoor groups posturing aside . . . instead of utilizing the “Antiquities Act” via the President’s whims to get this done, how about running it through “we the people” via the House and Senate???
At least that would ensure nothing got done! I’m so sick of the constant barrage of “Secretarial and Executive Orders” that grab the publics land!!! ![]() The very thought of pulling a “Clinton” on this so early in the beginning of “Four More Years” is causing projectile vomiting urges!!! Gonna hate being bent over and sodomized some more by what will surely follow this crap . . .
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