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Old 10-13-2008, 09:27 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Insert expansive post here about why we're doing this.

Bottom line: with the same hard-working letter-writing ethic as we had on the Eldorado, we can effect change on the Tahoe.

Now, let's shoot for a letter-writing training session a week (or better) until the DEIS comment period is through... Step up if you can host a meeting, all that is needed is a location, and a FOTFA host -- let us know if you have one but not the other....

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Old 10-13-2008, 09:33 PM   #2 (permalink)
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Old 10-13-2008, 09:49 PM   #3 (permalink)
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???? Have you received a reply for a meeting in the Bay Area?

My second and third letters have gone unresponded to except for the read receipt from Abigail Kimbell
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???? Have you received a reply for a meeting in the Bay Area?
My second and third letters have gone unresponded to except for the read receipt from Abigail Kimbell
Whoops... I don't think I was supposed to leak that yet.

Tahoe National Forest isn't willing to have an 'official' meeting, but has agreed to send Dave Arrasmith down for an 'unofficial' meeting if FOTFA makes it happen -- and with CORVA's support, those wheels are in motion.

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Old 10-14-2008, 03:44 AM   #6 (permalink)
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the font is too small
...just for the placeholder dates... for the actual letter-writing events, the font is just right.

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Confessions of a burnt out volunteer...

I have not yet made a serious effort to read and list items to comment on. I have received multiple e-mails and calls asking for bullet points that can be contructed in to personal letter to the TNF

Most of what I'm listing is local to the Lake Tahoe OHV crowd:


-Winter closure sucks, should be trail by trail and dependant on ground conditions not a calendar.

-TKS-11 (?) the Lost Trail off the Rubicon at the base of Cadillac, add it to the system!!! The greenies WILL fight this and will probably fight to get a "wild and scenic river" designation.

-Keep the Hobbit Trail, Barker Meadow OHV Trail, unique experience: narrow, winding, etc. It's curently in the system, let's keep it that way!

-Add short cut to Hobbit trail from Barker (probably a loser)

-Add trail towards Rubicon River from Hobbit short cut (probably a loser)

-Add Greenhorn


I'm sure we need to comment on Fordyce, Gold Hill, Hell Hole, etc.

Post up specifics we can all use in our letters.

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Confessions of a burnt out volunteer...

I have not yet made a serious effort to read and list items to comment on. I have received multiple e-mails and calls asking for bullet points that can be contructed in to personal letter to the TNF

Most of what I'm listing is local to the Lake Tahoe OHV crowd:


-Winter closure sucks, should be trail by trail and dependant on ground conditions not a calendar.

-TKS-11 (?) the Lost Trail off the Rubicon at the base of Cadillac, add it to the system!!! The greenies WILL fight this and will probably fight to get a "wild and scenic river" designation.

-Keep the Hobbit Trail, Barker Meadow OHV Trail, unique experience: narrow, winding, etc. It's curently in the system, let's keep it that way!

-Add short cut to Hobbit trail from Barker (probably a loser)

-Add trail towards Rubicon River from Hobbit short cut (probably a loser)

-Add Greenhorn


I'm sure we need to comment on Fordyce, Gold Hill, Hell Hole, etc.

Post up specifics we can all use in our letters.

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Couple of us will be available to kick around letter writing and discuss the TNF comment period at Robbs this weekend.............
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A meeting has been scheduled in the Bay Area hosted by the OHV community
for October 29th at 6:00 pm at the Senior Center in Pleasant Hill. The
address is 233 Gregory Lane, Pleasant Hill.

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Just need someone from FOTFA to Host.
I can open it to just the letter writeing and any one that would like to come.
Let me know if there is any interest in this location.
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Glenn, I expect we'll be able to get some bodies to the Top Gun Meeting -- that's a tough one for me, but I'll commit to make it if nobody else can...

We've got one scheduled as well for Wednesday the 22nd, starting at 7pm at the Cal4 Building.

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I would be willing to have another letter writing party here in Pollock if any one on this side of the mountain is interested.
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Just need someone from FOTFA to Host.
I can open it to just the letter writing and any one that would like to come.
Let me know if there is any interest in this location.
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I just spoke to Rick, and I believe he and I can both come.

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I would be willing to have another letter writing party here in Pollock if any one on this side of the mountain is interested.
Pick a date, Jenn!

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Old 10-22-2008, 11:41 AM   #18 (permalink)
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The calendar is also posted here:
http://www.cal4wheel.com/phpBB2/view...hp?p=2940#2940

Let's get some letters rolling!

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Post up specifics we can all use in our letters.
I saw the sample stuff in the letter generator, but it seems fairly generic.

Are there specific comments that folks have developed from research that we can add to our letters? I admit I'm not familiar enough with the area to know precisely where some of the trails are.

One thing I noticed is there are no road designations. How can you provide input when you can't even tell them what route your talking about? It would seem that alone would make nullify the current map alternatives by making meaningful public comment impossible. Stated another way, by restricting the Public's right to comment.

Is there a list of these types of issues we can use?

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I saw the sample stuff in the letter generator, but it seems fairly generic.

Are there specific comments that folks have developed from research that we can add to our letters? I admit I'm not familiar enough with the area to know precisely where some of the trails are.

One thing I noticed is there are no road designations. How can you provide input when you can't even tell them what route your talking about? It would seem that alone would make nullify the current map alternatives by making meaningful public comment impossible. Stated another way, by restricting the Public's right to comment.

Is there a list of these types of issues we can use?

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Bret or Jeff should be able to post up the Fordyce specifics.....

Every road is labeled with a letter/number deal. Fordyce is labeled on the map as YRS-F1, and they are all coded with their season of use and type of road on the map.

I will get on Bret to get the specific bypasses with GPS coordinates etc posted here asap.
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I saw the sample stuff in the letter generator, but it seems fairly generic.

Are there specific comments that folks have developed from research that we can add to our letters? I admit I'm not familiar enough with the area to know precisely where some of the trails are.

One thing I noticed is there are no road designations. How can you provide input when you can't even tell them what route your talking about? It would seem that alone would make nullify the current map alternatives by making meaningful public comment impossible. Stated another way, by restricting the Public's right to comment.

Is there a list of these types of issues we can use?

Thanks,
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No road designations IS the issue. Well done! Another is Fordyce bypasses are all marked with the same number. Some of them are 5 miles apart!! How can anyone comment on that? THAT is an issue.

New information, oversight, lack, conflicts are the things that will be effective in a comment.

All that was put out at the public meetings. Be sure to include comment about fun and all that, but they know you have fun in the forest.

What they don't know is that you can't make heads or tails of the maps.

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I'm trying to understand the seasonal closure issue. It appears the 'current' seasonal closures are detailed in Forest Order 17-05-03 which expired 4/2008, or in the 1990 Forest Plan, is that correct? I could not find which 'alternative' in the 1990 Forest plan was actually implemented.

Do I have to compare the 1990 maps to the current maps to review the differences for seasonal closure?

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It's pretty easy. There were no forest wide seasonal closures before. Now they are proposed. This will apply to native surface roads.
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Would this statement be accurate?

The statement on seasonal closures in the Proposed Action as Described in the Notice of Intent states “Continue only those seasonal restrictions as specified in the 1990 Tahoe Forest Plan and contained in existing Forest Orders”. All alternatives in the DEIS except Alternative 1, No Action, contain seasonal closures, yet the 1990 Tahoe forest Plan and existing Orders do not contain seasonal closures.

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