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Puffdragon · 02-24-2003, 10:55 AM

back from the chili challenge, and all i have to say is Michelin 12.5 R20 xl's suck. The grip like a mad man, but they have the weakest side walls I have seen. I lost 4 tires. They seem to only have one steel ply. what a rip. time for some ag tires now

lakotastoy · 02-24-2003, 11:07 AM

I think you should just run on rims!

Jason M · 02-24-2003, 11:52 AM

KC sorry I missdd making it to the Challenge!

How did the mog do other than the tires?

Did your brother make it down?

Puffdragon · 02-24-2003, 12:09 PM

I run on the rims when i want to strip the paint off to refinish!!!

Sorry I missed you Jason, The mog did great otherwise. we did not get out to the fair grounds except for late the first day, to get washed off. So I missed alot of people, but the mog is not the best highway driver, and most of the people i was with stayed around the hotel.

Oh, and my brother did come down, I can only assume he is lakotastoy, with the rim remark. I had to drive from the trail head of tabasco twister, to the main air down area on one rim. Lets just say it was a really bad day on saturday. Ohwell, time to strip the mog down, and rebuild it. It should be really nice next year.

tomsc · 02-24-2003, 01:12 PM

Thanks for the info on tires. I was just about to buy
used xls to have as a spare set. The price sure
was right. I think I will stick with the m27s.

Puffdragon · 02-24-2003, 01:16 PM

yea, the price is definatly right, but only if you are going to hit the street, or improved dirt roads. And keep the air pressure high, to reduce side wall wear.

gunracer1 · 02-24-2003, 01:19 PM

what was taking them out? just bad tire pinch or just rocks?

Puffdragon · 02-24-2003, 01:47 PM

Hey Gunracer, it seems to be a combination of rocks, tire age, and one stick. I loved the tires performance otherwise, but the side walls are just to light. The one fresh tire i got from you held up great, in all, they just didnt hold up in general. I put a call out to michelin, to see what the design was behind the tires, but I won't hear from them for a few days I am sure. Right now, I am jsut trying to figure out how to get the truck rollin again, since it is on one lame tire. I had to spend $150 bucks in Las C to get two tires patched and tubed, but that only held on one tire. Anyway, I may have to get with you about soemthing to hold the truck up for awhile. Not sure what I am going to do, just one of those things, could have been age, or it could have been the way I am using them, but the bottom line is they did not work in that harsh of an inviroment. But the tires did stick well.

Davidtacoma · 02-25-2003, 10:31 AM

hey man whats up? I was looking for you at the Challange....I work with your brother Chris....I saw some of your pics...Some sweet rides you got there...anyways see ya

-David

imiceman44 · 03-04-2003, 03:24 PM

Hey KC
I was thinking of getting some of those XLS but I am going for the 1600's and would like some more input on the michelin line.
Hwo old were yours, what pressures were you running and how did they blow? did you hit a rock, a rut, a branch or just pinched the sidewall from too low of pressure?
I was thinking of the used tires, but I guess I am better off with new ones?
I guess the 1600's should be stronger since they are bigger.

Thanks
IceMan

gunracer1 · 03-04-2003, 04:14 PM

the 16.00 and the 14.00 are load rated at 10,000 and 14,000 i dont think you would ever tear one of them up. i am pretty sure you could run them with out any air. just use a 2 piece rim like john 351 or danial sells with a double bead locks. the 12.5 are load rated at 4400# and flex a bunch.

Puffdragon · 03-04-2003, 05:18 PM

I can only speak on behalf of the 12.5 R20's They seem to be an odd ball tire, and i dont know what there applicatin was. But they were not meant for sharp rocks. However, I have since tubed all the tires, and they are sittin just fine, but tubes dont last to long off road.

HandBuilt · 03-04-2003, 06:25 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Puffdragon
I can only speak on behalf of the 12.5 R20's They seem to be an odd ball tire, and i dont know what there applicatin was. But they were not meant for sharp rocks. However, I have since tubed all the tires, and they are sittin just fine, but tubes dont last to long off road.

KC,

My Mog buddy runs 335/80R20 XMLs. They're a lot thicker than the XLs that I've seen. They might hold up better to the rocks.

BTW, I'm glad to hear the XLs stick. I've run these in 900R16 size all winter and have been really happy with them.

J-L

02-24-2003, 10:55 AM	#1 (permalink)
Puffdragon Registered User Join Date: Sep 2002 Member # 13683 Location: Unknown Posts: 3,192	chili challenge and michelins back from the chili challenge, and all i have to say is Michelin 12.5 R20 xl's suck. The grip like a mad man, but they have the weakest side walls I have seen. I lost 4 tires. They seem to only have one steel ply. what a rip. time for some ag tires now __________________ K.C.

02-24-2003, 11:52 AM	#3 (permalink)
Jason M Registered User Join Date: Jun 2001 Member # 5286 Location: Vegas Posts: 9,827	KC sorry I missdd making it to the Challenge! How did the mog do other than the tires? Did your brother make it down? __________________ DEAR MADAM: THANK YOU FOR YOUR RECENT ORDER FROM OUR SEX TOYS WEBSITE. YOU'VE REQUESTED THE LARGE RED VIBRATOR AS FEATURED ON OUR WALL DISPLAY. PLEASE SELECT ANOTHER ITEM. THAT'S OUR FIRE EXTINGUISHER

02-24-2003, 12:09 PM	#4 (permalink)
Puffdragon Registered User Join Date: Sep 2002 Member # 13683 Location: Unknown Posts: 3,192	I run on the rims when i want to strip the paint off to refinish!!! Sorry I missed you Jason, The mog did great otherwise. we did not get out to the fair grounds except for late the first day, to get washed off. So I missed alot of people, but the mog is not the best highway driver, and most of the people i was with stayed around the hotel. Oh, and my brother did come down, I can only assume he is lakotastoy, with the rim remark. I had to drive from the trail head of tabasco twister, to the main air down area on one rim. Lets just say it was a really bad day on saturday. Ohwell, time to strip the mog down, and rebuild it. It should be really nice next year. __________________ K.C.

02-24-2003, 01:12 PM	#5 (permalink)
tomsc Registered User Join Date: Jan 2003 Member # 16498 Location: dallas, texas Posts: 1	Tires Thanks for the info on tires. I was just about to buy used xls to have as a spare set. The price sure was right. I think I will stick with the m27s.

02-24-2003, 01:16 PM	#6 (permalink)
Puffdragon Registered User Join Date: Sep 2002 Member # 13683 Location: Unknown Posts: 3,192	yea, the price is definatly right, but only if you are going to hit the street, or improved dirt roads. And keep the air pressure high, to reduce side wall wear. __________________ K.C.

02-24-2003, 11:07 AM	#2 (permalink)
lakotastoy Registered User Join Date: Feb 2003 Member # 16968 Location: New Mexico Posts: 12	I think you should just run on rims!

02-24-2003, 01:19 PM	#7 (permalink)
gunracer1 Registered User Join Date: Oct 2001 Member # 7412 Location: ft worth texas, aguilar colorado Posts: 3,563	what was taking them out? just bad tire pinch or just rocks? __________________ i would rather be spanking the monkey offroad 99 Durango sitting on tons and fortys

02-24-2003, 01:47 PM	#8 (permalink)
Puffdragon Registered User Join Date: Sep 2002 Member # 13683 Location: Unknown Posts: 3,192	Hey Gunracer, it seems to be a combination of rocks, tire age, and one stick. I loved the tires performance otherwise, but the side walls are just to light. The one fresh tire i got from you held up great, in all, they just didnt hold up in general. I put a call out to michelin, to see what the design was behind the tires, but I won't hear from them for a few days I am sure. Right now, I am jsut trying to figure out how to get the truck rollin again, since it is on one lame tire. I had to spend $150 bucks in Las C to get two tires patched and tubed, but that only held on one tire. Anyway, I may have to get with you about soemthing to hold the truck up for awhile. Not sure what I am going to do, just one of those things, could have been age, or it could have been the way I am using them, but the bottom line is they did not work in that harsh of an inviroment. But the tires did stick well. __________________ K.C.

02-25-2003, 10:31 AM	#9 (permalink)
Davidtacoma Registered User Join Date: Dec 2002 Member # 15394 Location: New Mexico Posts: 839	hey man whats up? I was looking for you at the Challange....I work with your brother Chris....I saw some of your pics...Some sweet rides you got there...anyways see ya -David __________________ 85 4ruggy...40" stickies,dual 4.7s/5.38 60/14 Full hydro

03-04-2003, 03:24 PM	#10 (permalink)
imiceman44 Registered User Join Date: Mar 2003 Member # 17568 Location: Sacramento/ Lincoln, CA Posts: 1,659	Hey KC I was thinking of getting some of those XLS but I am going for the 1600's and would like some more input on the michelin line. Hwo old were yours, what pressures were you running and how did they blow? did you hit a rock, a rut, a branch or just pinched the sidewall from too low of pressure? I was thinking of the used tires, but I guess I am better off with new ones? I guess the 1600's should be stronger since they are bigger. Thanks IceMan

03-04-2003, 04:14 PM	#11 (permalink)
gunracer1 Registered User Join Date: Oct 2001 Member # 7412 Location: ft worth texas, aguilar colorado Posts: 3,563	the 16.00 and the 14.00 are load rated at 10,000 and 14,000 i dont think you would ever tear one of them up. i am pretty sure you could run them with out any air. just use a 2 piece rim like john 351 or danial sells with a double bead locks. the 12.5 are load rated at 4400# and flex a bunch. __________________ i would rather be spanking the monkey offroad 99 Durango sitting on tons and fortys

03-04-2003, 05:18 PM	#12 (permalink)
Puffdragon Registered User Join Date: Sep 2002 Member # 13683 Location: Unknown Posts: 3,192	I can only speak on behalf of the 12.5 R20's They seem to be an odd ball tire, and i dont know what there applicatin was. But they were not meant for sharp rocks. However, I have since tubed all the tires, and they are sittin just fine, but tubes dont last to long off road. __________________ K.C.

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