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cruiserrg · 03-08-2003, 10:10 AM

I have a question for those of you running hydo rams on your 404 MOG axles. I know the length turning measured at the stock steering arms is over 8". I wan to know if you guys get rams that are 9 or 10" throws and put in limit blocks, or get 8" rams and create custom steering arms to get full turning out of you MOG axles.

cruiserrg · 03-09-2003, 08:13 PM

Anyone?

TheLakeRat · 03-10-2003, 07:52 PM

JUst use a 10" and run with it. that is unless you are going full hydro then just use some stroke limiters to limit it back a little

cruiserrg · 03-10-2003, 08:30 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by TheLakeRat
JUst use a 10" and run with it. that is unless you are going full hydro then just use some stroke limiters to limit it back a little

Thanks for the reply Matt. I am going full hydro, so I will get the 10" and get limiters for it.

drj · 03-11-2003, 07:17 PM

Cruiserrg:

On the rockmog we built a few years ago I measured the steering stabilizer
which had an 8" throw stop to stop. We then put a cylinder in it's place that
had an 8" stroke. We were a little worried since double acting cylinders have different amount of force based on if it is pulling or pushing. To solve that problem we put one cylinder on each side. They are tucked in behind the axle
where the steering stabilizer was. It is probably an overkill having two cylinders
but we thought a spare would come in handy. Another advantage is that it
you wheel comes up against a boulder or log sometimes if you turn the wheel the
object is just pushed out of the way. The system has held up for two years now
without problems.

good luck
drj

cruiserrg · 03-11-2003, 08:19 PM

drj,
thanks for the reply. I have taken a measurement of the length the tierod arm travels lock to lock and found it to be a bit over 9".
I think the factory steering didn't utilize the full lock to lock of the knuckle.

I plan on using a double ended ram for steering, and decided to get a 10" ram and use limiters to get exactly lock to lock. I want to get as much turning radius out of this as possible. I wish I could put the ram behind the axle like you described, but with my 4 link is will not allow that, so I am forced to put the ram out front and out back in the rear and make custom steering arms.

Mieser · 03-12-2003, 02:43 PM

How many degrees is the 404 knuckle suppose to move?

03-08-2003, 10:10 AM	#1 (permalink)
cruiserrg Registered User Join Date: Jun 2001 Member # 4961 Location: Mankato, MN USA Posts: 867	Hydro steering ram I have a question for those of you running hydo rams on your 404 MOG axles. I know the length turning measured at the stock steering arms is over 8". I wan to know if you guys get rams that are 9 or 10" throws and put in limit blocks, or get 8" rams and create custom steering arms to get full turning out of you MOG axles. __________________ Reuben Gosewisch AKA: cruiserrg See pics of my Tube Chassised, MOG axled rockcrawler project: [url="http://webpages.charter.net/cruiserrg/toypuproject.html"]CruiserProject[/url] Wisconsin Off Highway Vehicle Association Webmaster: [url="http://www.wohva.com"]www.wohva.com[/url] Midwest 4 Wheel Drive Association Webmaster: [url="http://www.mw4wda.org"]www.mw4wda.org[/url]

03-09-2003, 08:13 PM	#2 (permalink)
cruiserrg Registered User Join Date: Jun 2001 Member # 4961 Location: Mankato, MN USA Posts: 867	Anyone? __________________ Reuben Gosewisch AKA: cruiserrg See pics of my Tube Chassised, MOG axled rockcrawler project: [url="http://webpages.charter.net/cruiserrg/toypuproject.html"]CruiserProject[/url] Wisconsin Off Highway Vehicle Association Webmaster: [url="http://www.wohva.com"]www.wohva.com[/url] Midwest 4 Wheel Drive Association Webmaster: [url="http://www.mw4wda.org"]www.mw4wda.org[/url]

03-10-2003, 07:52 PM	#3 (permalink)
TheLakeRat Team RedNeck Join Date: Mar 2001 Member # 3941 Location: San Angelo, Republic of Texas Posts: 890	JUst use a 10" and run with it. that is unless you are going full hydro then just use some stroke limiters to limit it back a little __________________ Matt Hodges, Owner West Texas 4Wheel & Offroad 325-653-7001 1811 W. Beauregard Ave. San Angelo, TX. 76901 www.westtexasoffroad.com Redneck is not a style, fashion, or something that occurs due to location – It’s way of life. You can’t be one - either You Are or You Aren’t. I AM.~SilverZuk

03-11-2003, 08:19 PM	#6 (permalink)
cruiserrg Registered User Join Date: Jun 2001 Member # 4961 Location: Mankato, MN USA Posts: 867	drj, thanks for the reply. I have taken a measurement of the length the tierod arm travels lock to lock and found it to be a bit over 9". I think the factory steering didn't utilize the full lock to lock of the knuckle. I plan on using a double ended ram for steering, and decided to get a 10" ram and use limiters to get exactly lock to lock. I want to get as much turning radius out of this as possible. I wish I could put the ram behind the axle like you described, but with my 4 link is will not allow that, so I am forced to put the ram out front and out back in the rear and make custom steering arms. __________________ Reuben Gosewisch AKA: cruiserrg See pics of my Tube Chassised, MOG axled rockcrawler project: [url="http://webpages.charter.net/cruiserrg/toypuproject.html"]CruiserProject[/url] Wisconsin Off Highway Vehicle Association Webmaster: [url="http://www.wohva.com"]www.wohva.com[/url] Midwest 4 Wheel Drive Association Webmaster: [url="http://www.mw4wda.org"]www.mw4wda.org[/url]

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03-11-2003, 07:17 PM	#5 (permalink)
drj Registered User Join Date: Feb 2003 Member # 17279 Location: indiana Posts: 120	Cruiserrg: On the rockmog we built a few years ago I measured the steering stabilizer which had an 8" throw stop to stop. We then put a cylinder in it's place that had an 8" stroke. We were a little worried since double acting cylinders have different amount of force based on if it is pulling or pushing. To solve that problem we put one cylinder on each side. They are tucked in behind the axle where the steering stabilizer was. It is probably an overkill having two cylinders but we thought a spare would come in handy. Another advantage is that it you wheel comes up against a boulder or log sometimes if you turn the wheel the object is just pushed out of the way. The system has held up for two years now without problems. good luck drj

03-12-2003, 02:43 PM	#7 (permalink)
Mieser Registered User Join Date: Jun 2001 Member # 5326 Location: Southwest Colorado Posts: 3,902	How many degrees is the 404 knuckle suppose to move?