max back spacing for a 17" rim on a 404 - Pirate4x4.Com : 4x4 and Off-Road Forum

gunracer1 · 04-22-2003, 02:48 PM

title says it all, anyone messed around with'em. danial says 8" but i have not yet spoke to him about them. others say 4.5 or so. mike

Run dog · 04-22-2003, 11:21 PM

I went with 4", When I talked to Factory Tubular who also built Charlie Copsey and Scott Gadsen's wheels they said the max they could get was 4.5" unless you moved the steering arms.

Strange Rover · 04-27-2003, 05:29 AM

Ill take a pic of my 4in BS with 15in wheels and you will be able to see the clearance issues. Should be able to do this tomorrow (if I remember)

Sam

gunracer1 · 05-01-2003, 04:17 PM

show me the pix please

Strange Rover · 05-04-2003, 02:51 AM

finally got some pics.

these are 15in rims with 4in BS. You can see how close the rim (and tyre) comes to the top of the portal. If you go to 17in rims you gain 1in in radius and I think that although the lip of the rim will clear the portal but the bead seat area still wont. So I dont think you would get 5in BS with the 17in rims.

Heres the pics.

Sam

Strange Rover · 05-04-2003, 02:53 AM

can just fit my finger in there

Sam

gunracer1 · 05-05-2003, 10:21 AM

thanks for the pixs, looks like i need some new bling bling 20s

MOGXJ44 · 06-10-2003, 06:37 PM

Sam,
How much did you have to trim off the drum lip and brake backing plate? I'm impressed with 15's on those 404's.
Travis

Go2Guy · 06-18-2003, 05:06 AM

Not trying to Hijack, but a lot of readers are always looking at options etc. With my Volvo's- front 9.5" BS with a 8.75 wheel, rear 10.5 BS with a 9.75 wheel- these are 17's and skinnies the rig up nicely without messing with the axle. Good luck to my portal cousins

gunracer1 · 06-18-2003, 10:32 AM

i have changed my mind again. i am using 48s on 20s so i can put it anywhere i want. going big and long, to hell with a comp buggy.

Strange Rover · 06-21-2003, 04:20 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by MOGXJ44
Sam,
How much did you have to trim off the drum lip and brake backing plate? I'm impressed with 15's on those 404's.
Travis

In the end I took a fair bit off. Basically took the dust seal lip off totally (if thats what you call it) but left a thick edge on the outside. Also had to take a bit off the OD of the drum itself. I think at most it would have been 3mm (0.012in) off the thickness at the worst point.

Without machining the drum at all I guess I could have gone with about 2.5in BS. The 15in steel wheels do go pn there a fair way and its just a matter off taking metal till they fit on as far as you want.

Next time i got a wheel off Ill see if I can take a pic and post the bare drum.

For the backing I just cut it all off except I left a bit of a lip (about 1/4in). I just cut around in a vertical plane with a grinder.

Sam

broncorob · 06-26-2003, 11:41 AM

I've got 6.25" backspacing on my 17x10 allied beadlocks. I am running EXAXT.ca's disc brakes tho

Strange Rover · 06-26-2003, 02:35 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by broncorob
I've got 6.25" backspacing on my 17x10 allied beadlocks. I am running EXAXT.ca's disc brakes tho

How close that that get the rim to the portal box. You can see my pics (above) where my rim almost touches the top bolt. Does the dics brake mod let you get closer??

Sam

Scout Dude · 06-26-2003, 02:57 PM

the Exaxt disk brake kit adds ~3.25" of WMS!

MOGXJ44 · 06-26-2003, 03:56 PM

Yeah, Rob designed his kit to work with unmodified Hummer rims. That's 7.25" BS on a 16.5" rim. You probably could have gotten at least 7.5" with those 17's.
Travis

Junk Yard Dog · 08-18-2003, 02:14 PM

I might do some mogs with 44's .......... but it depends on the $$$$$

04-22-2003, 02:48 PM	#1 (permalink)
gunracer1 Registered User Join Date: Oct 2001 Member # 7412 Location: ft worth texas, aguilar colorado Posts: 3,564	max back spacing for a 17" rim on a 404 title says it all, anyone messed around with'em. danial says 8" but i have not yet spoke to him about them. others say 4.5 or so. mike __________________ i would rather be spanking the monkey offroad 99 Durango sitting on tons and fortys

04-22-2003, 11:21 PM	#2 (permalink)
Run dog Rock God Join Date: Apr 2002 Member # 11365 Location: Pech Valley, Afghanistan Posts: 1,268	I went with 4", When I talked to Factory Tubular who also built Charlie Copsey and Scott Gadsen's wheels they said the max they could get was 4.5" unless you moved the steering arms. __________________ OUR STABLE OF 4x4's 1) 2012 Ultra4 500hp mid engine, Spydertrax axles, BFG KRT B (Mine) 2) 2001 TOY Sequoia SAS, Tons, 37" KM2's (Family) 3) 2006 Jeep Rubicon LJ Unlimited, Tons, Atlas, 40" Maxxis, King Coil overs, (PTSD Therapy) 4) 2009 Dodge 3500 Diesel 4x4 (Tow Rig) (mine)

04-27-2003, 05:29 AM	#3 (permalink)
Strange Rover Registered User Join Date: Nov 2001 Member # 7962 Location: Australia Posts: 1,462	Ill take a pic of my 4in BS with 15in wheels and you will be able to see the clearance issues. Should be able to do this tomorrow (if I remember) Sam __________________ Land Rover SIIa, 302W, NP435, NP205, MOG404s, 42in Swamper TSLs, 112in WB "An expert is somebody who learns more and more about less and less until one day they know absolutely everything about nothing." Outerlimits4x4.com - home of aussie rock crawling.

05-01-2003, 04:17 PM	#4 (permalink)
gunracer1 Registered User Join Date: Oct 2001 Member # 7412 Location: ft worth texas, aguilar colorado Posts: 3,564	show me the pix please __________________ i would rather be spanking the monkey offroad 99 Durango sitting on tons and fortys

05-04-2003, 02:51 AM	#5 (permalink)
Strange Rover Registered User Join Date: Nov 2001 Member # 7962 Location: Australia Posts: 1,462	finally got some pics. these are 15in rims with 4in BS. You can see how close the rim (and tyre) comes to the top of the portal. If you go to 17in rims you gain 1in in radius and I think that although the lip of the rim will clear the portal but the bead seat area still wont. So I dont think you would get 5in BS with the 17in rims. Heres the pics. Sam Attached Images __________________ Land Rover SIIa, 302W, NP435, NP205, MOG404s, 42in Swamper TSLs, 112in WB "An expert is somebody who learns more and more about less and less until one day they know absolutely everything about nothing." Outerlimits4x4.com - home of aussie rock crawling.

05-04-2003, 02:53 AM	#6 (permalink)
Strange Rover Registered User Join Date: Nov 2001 Member # 7962 Location: Australia Posts: 1,462	can just fit my finger in there Sam Attached Images __________________ Land Rover SIIa, 302W, NP435, NP205, MOG404s, 42in Swamper TSLs, 112in WB "An expert is somebody who learns more and more about less and less until one day they know absolutely everything about nothing." Outerlimits4x4.com - home of aussie rock crawling.

05-05-2003, 10:21 AM	#7 (permalink)
gunracer1 Registered User Join Date: Oct 2001 Member # 7412 Location: ft worth texas, aguilar colorado Posts: 3,564	thanks for the pixs, looks like i need some new bling bling 20s __________________ i would rather be spanking the monkey offroad 99 Durango sitting on tons and fortys

06-10-2003, 06:37 PM	#8 (permalink)
MOGXJ44 Registered User Join Date: Mar 2002 Member # 10366 Location: Aloha, OR Posts: 951	Sam, How much did you have to trim off the drum lip and brake backing plate? I'm impressed with 15's on those 404's. Travis

06-18-2003, 05:06 AM	#9 (permalink)
Go2Guy Zeus of the Sluice Join Date: Jun 2002 Member # 12158 Location: Tulsa, OK Posts: 4,599	FWIW... Volvo info Not trying to Hijack, but a lot of readers are always looking at options etc. With my Volvo's- front 9.5" BS with a 8.75 wheel, rear 10.5 BS with a 9.75 wheel- these are 17's and skinnies the rig up nicely without messing with the axle. Good luck to my portal cousins __________________ Ken Blume Rock Rod Racing Team #192/4192 Thanks to our partners Maxxis, Trail-Gear, Yukon Gear, Goatbuilt, Tom Woods Custom Driveshafts, Ruffstuff specialties, Warn Winch, Rokit Enterprises, Viair, Edge Perf., Branik Motorsports, PRP seats, 12V unlimited, Bailie built, Baertrax, Raceline

06-18-2003, 10:32 AM	#10 (permalink)
gunracer1 Registered User Join Date: Oct 2001 Member # 7412 Location: ft worth texas, aguilar colorado Posts: 3,564	i have changed my mind again. i am using 48s on 20s so i can put it anywhere i want. going big and long, to hell with a comp buggy. __________________ i would rather be spanking the monkey offroad 99 Durango sitting on tons and fortys

06-26-2003, 11:41 AM	#12 (permalink)
broncorob Registered User Join Date: Nov 2001 Member # 8228 Location: Charlotte, NC Posts: 1,230	I've got 6.25" backspacing on my 17x10 allied beadlocks. I am running EXAXT.ca's disc brakes tho __________________ Rob Ellis

06-26-2003, 02:57 PM	#14 (permalink)
Scout Dude Registered User Join Date: Apr 2001 Member # 4001 Location: Citrus Heights, CA Posts: 3,984	the Exaxt disk brake kit adds ~3.25" of WMS!

06-26-2003, 03:56 PM	#15 (permalink)
MOGXJ44 Registered User Join Date: Mar 2002 Member # 10366 Location: Aloha, OR Posts: 951	Yeah, Rob designed his kit to work with unmodified Hummer rims. That's 7.25" BS on a 16.5" rim. You probably could have gotten at least 7.5" with those 17's. Travis

08-18-2003, 02:14 PM	#16 (permalink)
Junk Yard Dog Registered User Join Date: Dec 2001 Member # 8797 Location: Wylie , TX Posts: 429	I might do some mogs with 44's .......... but it depends on the $$$$$ __________________ 83 toy bobbed with dual cases, mog axles, 44 boggers, and full exo cage. OUTLAW CUSTOMS The place for 4x4 parts & accessories (817) 416-1355 www.outlawcustoms.us Last edited by Junk Yard Dog; 08-18-2003 at 02:15 PM.

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