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Old 12-10-2005, 10:14 AM   #1 (permalink)
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Loook'n for imfo on swap'n diff sides on mog's

Well i want to pull out my rockwells and drop in a set of mogs. One big problem! Their driver drop pinions and 85yotas are passenger drop pinion. Now i seen that you can swop a volvo portal axle to either side pinion. With no custom work being done. But maybe some redrilling. I got my eye on a set and of 411's mogs. Can the main housing be turned over. To make it a passenger side drop axle. Im a machinest by trade so a little machining no problem for me. I just dont want to get into the custom shit stuff. If yall got any imfor or idea's or site a i can found imfo on doing this or if anyone has tried it. Thanks Kerry
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Old 12-10-2005, 12:44 PM   #2 (permalink)
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Come on lets see who knows there shit on mog's.
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Old 12-10-2005, 01:26 PM   #3 (permalink)
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Ohh, he's taunting us.

Unimog 404 type axles can be reworked, but it is easier just to have someone like exxact swap the housing over. It actually pretty cheap. 416/406 axles can be swapped around by mixing and matching housings. 404's are the best option for most sitiuations. Replacement parts are cheap and plentiful
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So what the name of there website if they have one. And Why cant i just swop the shit around. Is it a unbolt flip and rebolt job. or some custom shit.
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Old 12-10-2005, 05:11 PM   #5 (permalink)
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I requires flipping the center housing so the asymetric 3rd can be flipped. It also requires resplining a shaft. Even if you could do it yourself ( I CAN) its still not worth your time for the price that exxact has them. And yes exxact has a web site.
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Thanks for the link. Im thinking im going to keep my rockwells and do a motor swop. Mite try a set mogs on the wife buggy this summer.
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Thanks for the link. Im thinking im going to keep my rockwells and do a motor swop. Mite try a set mogs on the wife buggy this summer.
Actually there is a much simpler solution to your problem. Just swap to a post '95 Toyota (Taco or 4Runner) transfer case. You gain a 2.57:1 primary ratio and then can add a second reduction unit of 2.28 or 4.7 and you also get the driver's side drop!
Check out Aaron's PU and my 4Runner in the Mog axle rigs thread. We both are running variations of this driveline.
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that link didn't work for me. is the site down or did they go out of business?
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I have a 85 4runner with mogs. Just use an inchworm lefty adapter. Then you can keep your same t cases, gearing, ect.
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Try this one;
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Im in the process myself with 411 axles ive cut all the tubes and sleeved ready for welding but like bee said because of the diff lock the now long side need ether a new shaft making or im trying having the shaft built up so the splines can be cut further into the shaft i have some pics of the progress so far but as a note the 411's are very narrow (especially the front because of the nuckles) so unless you have very narrow or high up chassis rails you will struggle
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I want the same. See my topic.
I just don't understand why it's not possible to swap only the tubes.
I you swap the diff inside the house, the airlocker can turn also I think?
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you can swap the tubes easily enough, "BUT" the locking axle (with the longer splines) will now be on the wrong side for the locker to work.(The 'pig' does not move) the stock axles are 'necked down' (smaller) in diameter in the center so there is not enough material to add new splines to. soooo, one way or the other you now need a 500$ custom axle.
If you already have that additional cost figgured into your build, great.
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(The 'pig' does not move)
But it's possible to turn the open differential inside the diff house.
And the locking axle you can swap also............or is there something i don't see
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I don't actually have a 416, but...
The axle shafts are different lengths and the locker splines are on the long side.
I believe that the axle flanges are asymetrical so if you simply swapped them your knuckles would be upside down.
You could swap them and run the entire axle upside down if you can spin your driveline backwards but then you run into the locker problem that Weps mentioned. Which if you don't care about having a locker wouldn't stop you from running it that way I suppose.

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ikke- if you were to swap that, and I'm not sure that you physically could the ring gear would "be on the wrong side", and your axle would now propel your vehicle in reverse. you could possibly swap the axles (side to side) if you welded the spider gears and ditched the locker mechanism, or ran with an open diff.
this project falls into the following:
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OK I get the picture!
Another option:
Swap everything except the part whit the knuckles.
Then the rotation off the pinion runs the other way. But that's what i need.
Or is this still not good?
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If your driveline already turns "backwards" I would cut and turn the knuckles 180' and run the complete axle upside down.
If you go this route, I would also add drain and fill holes to the diff as they will likely no longer be where they need to be. If the 416 axle also uses a banjo bolt for its vent this should also be relocated, but that part is so easy it is almost trivial.
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jwbogger, i tried to e-mail them and its been about 5 months and i have not heard anything back from them. are they on the board?

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you can swap the tubes easily enough, "BUT" the locking axle (with the longer splines) will now be on the wrong side for the locker to work.(The 'pig' does not move) the stock axles are 'necked down' (smaller) in diameter in the center so there is not enough material to add new splines to. soooo, one way or the other you now need a 500$ custom axle.
If you already have that additional cost figgured into your build, great.
personally, i'd rather spend the 500 to have my front axle converted to a passenger side drop then to spend the 1200 on the lefty adapter from inchworm.
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