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coachgeo · 06-08-2002, 12:41 PM

not much information on this.. pics were passed to me. Ill add more info as I can.

new info... Ive been told this is a cab mount. It sits atop the orginal cab mounting spots. A Mog's frame twist requires very fley cab mounts and this guy made his a 3 point mount. The extra height is to make room for the engine I supose.

My mog.. which is supose to arive in late june has a 2" cab lift on it as well. It also has a OM617A engine (300 Turbo Diesel ) but was installed useing a profesional kit, that tilts the motor 13 degrees off center to help clearance issues.

coachgeo · 06-08-2002, 12:52 PM

the kits for installing an OM617A include a new bell housing (a german Advance adapters type of company) that that allow the motor to be clocked to avoid clearance issues with body and leg room etc.. This home brew is not clocked as u can see.

coachgeo · 06-08-2002, 12:53 PM

more of the engine mounts are visable here. The OM617A is a 5 cyl. Turbo Diesel motor and has a wee bit more Horses that what was there.. (90horse? before... now 115) and a much stronger Torqe.

Note: the engine and tranny allow for the frame to twist around them quite a bit. Also the engine and tranny take forces from the drive line., cause the suspension system is also tied to the tranny and engine more so than the frame. Correct me if I'm wrong but think of it as a 3 link system with the center link actually being the drive line itself. Yeah I know.. hard cocept to swallow, but that is how Torque tube design works from what I understand.

coachgeo · 06-08-2002, 01:02 PM

tight fit, Original motor was 4cy. (ooopsss.. I mean small straight sixes) Yeah.. these engine bays are TIGHTTTTTTT

coachgeo · 06-08-2002, 01:04 PM

It's like wearing spandex it's such a tight fit.

coachgeo · 06-09-2002, 11:54 AM

I just saw the hand pump bulb on the gas line in this pic. I wonder if that is the intended method for dealing with vapor lock when it crops up.

Also close inspection shows the pedals are now at floor hight. Wonder how he intends to solve this. hmmmmm. hope his mog has power assit brakes. Many dont.

unimogken · 06-09-2002, 03:27 PM

coachgeo said:
"tight fit, Original motor was 4cy. Yeah.. these engine bays are TIGHTTTTTTT"

HUH? a 4cyl. Unimog engine?

coachgeo · 06-10-2002, 07:44 PM

Unimogs had 6 cyl engines... my misstook.

Its now corrected above

06-08-2002, 12:41 PM	#1 (permalink)
coachgeo Registered User Join Date: Jan 2001 Member # 2708 Location: Pilot Point Tx Posts: 2,912	First 404 Tech info diesel install home brew not much information on this.. pics were passed to me. Ill add more info as I can. new info... Ive been told this is a cab mount. It sits atop the orginal cab mounting spots. A Mog's frame twist requires very fley cab mounts and this guy made his a 3 point mount. The extra height is to make room for the engine I supose. My mog.. which is supose to arive in late june has a 2" cab lift on it as well. It also has a OM617A engine (300 Turbo Diesel ) but was installed useing a profesional kit, that tilts the motor 13 degrees off center to help clearance issues. Attached Images __________________ It's a Daimler thing: You wouldnt understand! [i]"I work on a fishing boat. I started as a Apprentice Baiter. Now I am a Journeyman baiter. One day I hope to make Master Baiter". (By DEnd)[/i] Last edited by coachgeo; 06-09-2002 at 11:51 AM.

06-08-2002, 12:52 PM	#2 (permalink)
coachgeo Registered User Join Date: Jan 2001 Member # 2708 Location: Pilot Point Tx Posts: 2,912	more the kits for installing an OM617A include a new bell housing (a german Advance adapters type of company) that that allow the motor to be clocked to avoid clearance issues with body and leg room etc.. This home brew is not clocked as u can see. Attached Images __________________ It's a Daimler thing: You wouldnt understand! [i]"I work on a fishing boat. I started as a Apprentice Baiter. Now I am a Journeyman baiter. One day I hope to make Master Baiter". (By DEnd)[/i]

06-08-2002, 12:53 PM	#3 (permalink)
coachgeo Registered User Join Date: Jan 2001 Member # 2708 Location: Pilot Point Tx Posts: 2,912	More of engine more of the engine mounts are visable here. The OM617A is a 5 cyl. Turbo Diesel motor and has a wee bit more Horses that what was there.. (90horse? before... now 115) and a much stronger Torqe. Note: the engine and tranny allow for the frame to twist around them quite a bit. Also the engine and tranny take forces from the drive line., cause the suspension system is also tied to the tranny and engine more so than the frame. Correct me if I'm wrong but think of it as a 3 link system with the center link actually being the drive line itself. Yeah I know.. hard cocept to swallow, but that is how Torque tube design works from what I understand. Attached Images __________________ It's a Daimler thing: You wouldnt understand! [i]"I work on a fishing boat. I started as a Apprentice Baiter. Now I am a Journeyman baiter. One day I hope to make Master Baiter". (By DEnd)[/i] Last edited by coachgeo; 06-08-2002 at 12:57 PM.

06-08-2002, 01:02 PM	#4 (permalink)
coachgeo Registered User Join Date: Jan 2001 Member # 2708 Location: Pilot Point Tx Posts: 2,912	more of engine tight fit, Original motor was 4cy. (ooopsss.. I mean small straight sixes) Yeah.. these engine bays are TIGHTTTTTTT Attached Images __________________ It's a Daimler thing: You wouldnt understand! [i]"I work on a fishing boat. I started as a Apprentice Baiter. Now I am a Journeyman baiter. One day I hope to make Master Baiter". (By DEnd)[/i] Last edited by coachgeo; 06-10-2002 at 07:48 PM.

06-08-2002, 01:04 PM	#5 (permalink)
coachgeo Registered User Join Date: Jan 2001 Member # 2708 Location: Pilot Point Tx Posts: 2,912	Tight Bay It's like wearing spandex it's such a tight fit. Attached Images __________________ It's a Daimler thing: You wouldnt understand! [i]"I work on a fishing boat. I started as a Apprentice Baiter. Now I am a Journeyman baiter. One day I hope to make Master Baiter". (By DEnd)[/i]

06-09-2002, 11:54 AM	#6 (permalink)
coachgeo Registered User Join Date: Jan 2001 Member # 2708 Location: Pilot Point Tx Posts: 2,912	hand pump bulb I just saw the hand pump bulb on the gas line in this pic. I wonder if that is the intended method for dealing with vapor lock when it crops up. Also close inspection shows the pedals are now at floor hight. Wonder how he intends to solve this. hmmmmm. hope his mog has power assit brakes. Many dont. Attached Images __________________ It's a Daimler thing: You wouldnt understand! [i]"I work on a fishing boat. I started as a Apprentice Baiter. Now I am a Journeyman baiter. One day I hope to make Master Baiter". (By DEnd)[/i] Last edited by coachgeo; 06-09-2002 at 11:56 AM.

06-09-2002, 03:27 PM	#7 (permalink)
unimogken snatch cannon Join Date: May 2002 Member # 11745 Location: Redmond, WA Posts: 1,211	coachgeo said: "tight fit, Original motor was 4cy. Yeah.. these engine bays are TIGHTTTTTTT" HUH? a 4cyl. Unimog engine? __________________ Later, Ken 1 Mercedes Benz Unimog 404s

06-10-2002, 07:44 PM	#8 (permalink)
coachgeo Registered User Join Date: Jan 2001 Member # 2708 Location: Pilot Point Tx Posts: 2,912	ooopppsss Unimogs had 6 cyl engines... my misstook. Its now corrected above __________________ It's a Daimler thing: You wouldnt understand! [i]"I work on a fishing boat. I started as a Apprentice Baiter. Now I am a Journeyman baiter. One day I hope to make Master Baiter". (By DEnd)[/i]

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