Gearing on a 404mog? - Pirate4x4.Com : 4x4 and Off-Road Forum

MIKE S · 06-24-2002, 04:24 PM

Im looking into buying a 404 mog.... How low are thay geared in low low??

Lance · 06-24-2002, 06:16 PM

I thought you changed your mind?

offroadr35 · 06-24-2002, 06:49 PM

113:1 stock. i want to buy one also eventually. have you driven one? driving one is a completely different experience than i've ever had...i wouldn't trade my bronco for it, but they sure are a lot of fun.

-Steve

coachgeo · 06-24-2002, 07:45 PM

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Originally posted by offroadr35
113:1 stock. i want to buy one also eventually. have you driven one? driving one is a completely different experience than i've ever had...i wouldn't trade my bronco for it, but they sure are a lot of fun.

-Steve

And their are two additional gears below that can be purchased too.

Mine is a converted 6 speed tranny. Stock is 6 forward and two reverse. The conversion I have (2x4 shift plate; what ever that means) makes it an 8speed forward and 4 reverse. The Tcase is not seperate.. it is part of the transmision with all reduction upgrades done in the tranny. With the conversion mine ends up with a low low low... low low... low , and then 5 more gears. Unfortunately the top few gears ratios will not be to effective in the power band my setup has. (5cyl turbo diesel)

Note... I know all this via reasearch only. Sunday will be the first day I actually drive the Rig.

evilfij · 06-24-2002, 09:23 PM

Is that the cascade thing or whatever?

Ron

offroadr35 · 06-24-2002, 09:44 PM

no the cascade is a 20 speed tranny only on the 406/416.

-Steve

coachgeo · 06-25-2002, 03:48 AM

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Originally posted by evilfij
Is that the cascade thing or whatever?

Ron

no.... the added gear set and shift rod is; like I stated earlier, called something like a "2x4 Shifter Plate".

I found when trying to get more info about what this was , that lots of Mog guys didnt even know, so I guess its sorta rare. Sounds like it will mostly be benefit to "COOLNESS" for me. Like I realy dont need 4 rev. gears. The 2 extra low forward crawler gears may come in handy though.

unissamog · 06-25-2002, 05:11 AM

The cascade box, the 20 speed tranny, is cool, and has some super low gears, but unfortunately they are not really for wheeling. The super low gears are for using impliments like snow blowers and rototillers, where the ground speed may need to be SUPER SLOW. The gears aren't strong enough to withstand the pounding of offroad.

Geo, I have never heard of the 2x4 plate you have. sounds interesting.

evilfij · 06-25-2002, 09:59 PM

Yes but it is cool to rev the engine and watch the wheel turn like the second hand on a clock

Ron

unissamog · 06-26-2002, 07:13 AM

Yes it is.......using 1st gear LOW, LOW, LOW yeilds you something like .07 MPH at idle.

schuss · 06-26-2002, 04:38 PM

a bunch of crawler guys need to take pics of them walking their rigs with leashes, given how slow they go.

singham · 06-26-2002, 10:35 PM

The six speed tranmission on a 404 can be made into an 8 speed simply with a conversion to the shiftplate.

However.......your 1st gear low in the 8 speed is the same ratio as 1st gear in the 6 speed. Your 4th gear high (8th) is the same ratio as your 6th gear in the 6 speed.

Quite simply the shift plate modification gives you more middle range gearing options. Nothing higher, and nothing lower than stock 6 speed.

Scott

rob · 06-26-2002, 11:35 PM

Some of the Mogs are measured in meters per hour at a set rpm as high as 2500 for a diesel.One such tranny combo netted 100meters per hour @2500 in third gear.That is some serious impliment work.Go away for the weekend and leave it idling in first gear come back and it's not even out of the driveway.I mis my 404.I could beat any car in a race off the line as long as the race was 6 inches.

coachgeo · 06-27-2002, 04:36 AM

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Originally posted by singham
The six speed tranmission on a 404 can be made into an 8 speed simply with a conversion to the shiftplate.

However.......your 1st gear low in the 8 speed is the same ratio as 1st gear in the 6 speed. Your 4th gear high (8th) is the same ratio as your 6th gear in the 6 speed.

Quite simply the shift plate modification gives you more middle range gearing options. Nothing higher, and nothing lower than stock 6 speed.

Scott

ahhhh TY.... your the first one who has had a responce that made since about the shift plate that is on mine. Every site I asked about it the members had no clue or just guessed it added the crawler gears.

dont know if this plate will help me at all.. I got an OM617A.. (300 turbo diesel) so I dont know if it helps match that power band or not.

What do u think?

Can someone swap out the gear sets in this shift plate to make it include crawler gears instead of the mid range gears? hmmmm

coachgeo · 06-27-2002, 04:41 AM

no wonder u know what ur talkin about....

Welcom Scott Ingram of Expedition Imports. Your a great asset to the Mog from what Ive seen thus far.

its an Expedition rig of sorts Im trying to put together myself eventually. Hope u find the mind set here to ur likeing.

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06-24-2002, 09:23 PM	#5 (permalink)
evilfij Registered User Join Date: Oct 2001 Member # 7755 Location: Main Line PA Posts: 1,953	Is that the cascade thing or whatever? Ron __________________ :evil:

06-25-2002, 05:11 AM	#8 (permalink)
unissamog Registered User Join Date: May 2002 Member # 11729 Location: Perkinsville Vermont Posts: 283	The cascade box, the 20 speed tranny, is cool, and has some super low gears, but unfortunately they are not really for wheeling. The super low gears are for using impliments like snow blowers and rototillers, where the ground speed may need to be SUPER SLOW. The gears aren't strong enough to withstand the pounding of offroad. Geo, I have never heard of the 2x4 plate you have. sounds interesting. __________________ I got your jeep thing, now it hurts when I pee.

06-25-2002, 09:59 PM	#9 (permalink)
evilfij Registered User Join Date: Oct 2001 Member # 7755 Location: Main Line PA Posts: 1,953	Yes but it is cool to rev the engine and watch the wheel turn like the second hand on a clock Ron __________________ :evil:

06-26-2002, 07:13 AM	#10 (permalink)
unissamog Registered User Join Date: May 2002 Member # 11729 Location: Perkinsville Vermont Posts: 283	Yes it is.......using 1st gear LOW, LOW, LOW yeilds you something like .07 MPH at idle. __________________ I got your jeep thing, now it hurts when I pee.

06-24-2002, 06:16 PM	#2 (permalink)
Lance Administrator Join Date: Jun 1996 Member # 1 Location: El Dorado Hills, CA Posts: 18,734 Blog Entries: 1	I thought you changed your mind?

06-24-2002, 06:49 PM	#3 (permalink)
offroadr35 Registered User Join Date: Dec 2001 Member # 8843 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 1,838	113:1 stock. i want to buy one also eventually. have you driven one? driving one is a completely different experience than i've ever had...i wouldn't trade my bronco for it, but they sure are a lot of fun. -Steve

06-24-2002, 09:44 PM	#6 (permalink)
offroadr35 Registered User Join Date: Dec 2001 Member # 8843 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 1,838	no the cascade is a 20 speed tranny only on the 406/416. -Steve

06-26-2002, 04:38 PM	#11 (permalink)
schuss Registered User Join Date: Mar 2002 Member # 10364 Location: NH Posts: 439	a bunch of crawler guys need to take pics of them walking their rigs with leashes, given how slow they go. __________________ common sense is for the foolish

06-26-2002, 10:35 PM	#12 (permalink)
singham Wheeler Join Date: Jun 2002 Member # 12488 Location: Vallejo, CA Posts: 337	The six speed tranmission on a 404 can be made into an 8 speed simply with a conversion to the shiftplate. However.......your 1st gear low in the 8 speed is the same ratio as 1st gear in the 6 speed. Your 4th gear high (8th) is the same ratio as your 6th gear in the 6 speed. Quite simply the shift plate modification gives you more middle range gearing options. Nothing higher, and nothing lower than stock 6 speed. Scott

06-26-2002, 11:35 PM	#13 (permalink)
rob Registered User Join Date: Feb 2000 Member # 84 Location: Abbotsford B.C. Posts: 1,709	Some of the Mogs are measured in meters per hour at a set rpm as high as 2500 for a diesel.One such tranny combo netted 100meters per hour @2500 in third gear.That is some serious impliment work.Go away for the weekend and leave it idling in first gear come back and it's not even out of the driveway.I mis my 404.I could beat any car in a race off the line as long as the race was 6 inches. __________________ Anybody know how to make a woman happy?Didn't think so!There are no happy women just confused immature teenager wannabees in an old cougar outfit

06-27-2002, 04:41 AM	#15 (permalink)
coachgeo Registered User Join Date: Jan 2001 Member # 2708 Location: Pilot Point Tx Posts: 2,912	ahhh so thats why no wonder u know what ur talkin about.... Welcom Scott Ingram of Expedition Imports. Your a great asset to the Mog from what Ive seen thus far. its an Expedition rig of sorts Im trying to put together myself eventually. Hope u find the mind set here to ur likeing. __________________ It's a Daimler thing: You wouldnt understand! [i]"I work on a fishing boat. I started as a Apprentice Baiter. Now I am a Journeyman baiter. One day I hope to make Master Baiter". (By DEnd)[/i]

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