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Old 11-03-2002, 10:38 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Mog Axle Pics and Tire Test Fit

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Old 11-03-2002, 10:42 PM   #6 (permalink)
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rear steer

I see ur not going rear steer. U gotta front and back axle there. Not that rear steer is worht the $$ on a non competitive rig if u get right down to it.
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Yeah, and with a tire this size I've heard bad things when using a front axle in the back. It can be done, but the axleshafts should be replaced to get rid of the neck down.
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Old 11-03-2002, 11:21 PM   #8 (permalink)
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time to get to work
good luck
as for the square links I see no problem with it
but I still see a problem with the lack of frame, but that's just me
I'd like to see you prove me wrong and make it work awsome
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ewwwwwwwww goood point. no frame on that thing. hmmmmm Now I understand folk have put dana 60's under and XJ's so if you refer to their ideas and go just a little beefier you should be ok.

My understanding is the Mog Axles are not to much heavier than dana 60's. Steering box mounts for sure must be beefed up too. Also you'll have kids in this thing so go with safe power steering with hydro assist and not full hydro. welll if ur off road only that may not matter like it would on the hwy. but still...... Kids safety comes first allways
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My understanding is the Mog Axles are not to much heavier than dana 60's.
True.
...you'll have kids in this thing...
Not true.
Kids safety comes first allways.
True.
This will be a trail only machine with very limited road use between trailheads. Full Hydro will definitely be in order. No kids or pets on serious trail rides for me, thanks. I already got enough to keep me busy watching non moving objects.
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Can't wait to see this project come together.

I will say though that it is weird to see mog parts in any color other than drab green!
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HELL YEAH!!!! That to me is the best part of the whole buildup. It has a nickname of "Captain America Lowrider." I was on a trailride with some fellow XJer's and the stock height of it was draggin' major ass all over the trail. The grill was already painted that color and some smartass dubbed it the "Captain America Lowrider." Being that I already knew of the major proportions it would soon become I decided to keep the name as sorta a joke and also to remind me of how it once was. Ever see a Lowrider on 44's?
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Where did you get them at? I'm loking for a set.
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Bwahahahaaa...

Thats the BEST!

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What suspension?
Cage? Exo....

Those 44s are great next to the 28s!

Ill have to keep in touch over the build up thats a sweet project!


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Old 11-24-2002, 12:13 AM   #20 (permalink)
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Thats gonan be the biggest XJ Ive seen!
what suspension?
Cage? Exo....
Those 44s are great next to the 28s!
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Thanks for the support! Big? Yeah, I estimate it to be about 7.5' tall and 7.5' wide. Extended wheelbase to about 9' with about 1.5' under the pumpkins and about 3' under the framerails (if you can really call them framerails ).

Suspension will be Double triangulated 4 link with coilovers. This is open to debate if anyone else has any suggestions.

Cage will be interior for sure. This thing is already going to be huge. I don't need anything else around the outside that will hang up on obstacles. Might end up chopping the back part later and making it kinda like a 4 door with a small bed area. Not because I wish I was driving a pansy ass Explorer Sport Trac, but because it will yield better visibility out the back and get rid of some sheet metal and glass that might otherwise get bashed against a tree, etc. So interior it is and as functional as possible. That means that whatever gets in the way of the safest design will be modified or removed. Ideas on this too are very welcome.

And by the way. Those aren't 28's. Those are full on 26 inches tall, baby! Hey, if your gonna do it, do it right, ehh?
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Hi Travis,

Greetings from Malaysia. I'm interested in putting portals under my 93 XJ 2.5L, but they'll probably be Volvo portals since its hard to find Mog axleshere.

My question is, how are you doing the front? Are you keeping the upper and lower control arms with the coil springs, or are you doing a leaf spring conversion?

I'd really like to know as I'm dying to put these in! I also drive a Volvo C304 offroad, but sometimes I'd like a lighter vehicle like the XJ.. so I don't destroy too many log bridges in the jungle! ;-)

Any advice would be much appreciated.

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Greetings from Malaysia. I'm interested in putting portals under my 93 XJ 2.5L, but they'll probably be Volvo portals since its hard to find Mog axles here.

My question is, how are you doing the front? Are you keeping the upper and lower control arms with the coil springs, or are you doing a leaf spring conversion?
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Hello Steve,
I'll start by saying that this is no small project. I'm pretty well into this thing too deep to stop now. Let's start with the amount of overall lift this will end up giving you (assuming stock Mog axles). You'll get about 5-6" lift from the portal assembly. To clear the massive third member that lands nearly under the oilpan your looking at another 6-8" suspension lift. Add to this the tire size difference assuming bone stock 26" and lifted tire height of 40-44". It will all break down like this:
5-6" portal
6-8" suspension
7-9" tire
18-23" total additional height over stock XJ

So that's one option for the stock Mog portal. Custom portal assembly using Mog outers is another. You say that Volvo portals are your most probable choice, so what t-case are you gonna run for those right hand offset front and rear axles? Also, how much are those axles offset to the right? The whole drivetrain in an XJ is offset slightly to the right so you'd need (guessing here) 8-10" right hand pumpkin offset from center.

Front and rear suspension will be all custom long arm link type to control axlewrap. Rod ends on at least one end and they'll be huge. I'm thinking 2" tubing at least 0.25" thick for the lowers. Uppers can be smaller, but for spare parts simplicity I may go with the same size upper links. I want to suspend it by coilovers because there's so much adjustability. Not sure what spring rate or ride height will work out best. I did start out this project considering leaf springs, but they just won't control axle wrap the way I want. I'm also from the school of thought that "if you're gonna do it, go all the way." Coilovers it is. Hope this helps, Steve. Feel free to shoot me more questions and I'll do my best to answer them.
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Suspension will be Double triangulated 4 link with coilovers. This is open to debate if anyone else has any suggestions.
you said your shooting for 6-8in of lift so around the 24in coil size using factory located coils.

Coialovers are sweet, you can do what ever you want with them.... the largest your probibly gonna want is the 16in with standard non-custome coils. larger coil overs will kill you on price when you want to try a new spring rate, cuase there all custom order or you use the 16in coils but with spacers....

Any ways, your gonna be SO tall!

What kinda driving are you planning to do?

In Arizona Im building for rocks... so low and BIG tires.

I also would like to run coilovers, a REALLY soft set with little up travel and alot of drop. To help the satbility of such soft coisl I plan to also use 4 quarter eliptic leafs. so at ride ehight the quarter leafs make it sitff enough for turning stability but dosent limit the down travel, and the coil overs contorl that down travel.

thats my ideal set up but will be doing leafs all around for now..
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Travis, thanks for the insight. I'd really like to see some pics once you start hackin.

As for me, I think I'll stick to beefed up control arms and 35's on the volvo portals, since all we get here is very shallow slippery mud in the rainforest. So I really don't need heaps of articulation like you guys.

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Awesome project man!
Im looking into getting a set of mog 404s for my XJ also, but Im going to stick with regular coils up front and leafs in the rear. My big worry was with the steering for the front axle. How are you planning on setting this up? Please give us updates as the project progresses.

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