406.121 capability?

[sceep]

is it to short (wheelbase wize) to actually wheel? i could google but i figured i'd entertain you.

what do you think?

I've been looking at mogs pretty seriously over the last few years, and now with the our new son, and the wife wanting one more, there is no way the jeep will be big enough. I need to build a family wheeler and im thinking a mog would be the best base for my buck, throw some seats in the back, with a sick cage and go wheel it.

thanks
nate.

[unissamog]

personally if you are lookng to haul the family around.....get a doka (a 4-door unimog).

if you want a doka set up for wheeling try this..... http://unimogvideo.com/rockmog_for_sale.htm
it is an ex- rockcrawling comp rig.

[coachgeo]

Man.... BUY IT.... U'll have the Hummer Killing Family rig.

[sceep]

get a doka he says.... i would loooooooove to, if they werent so damn expensive.

[unissamog]

well, what are you looking at for a budget???

[sceep]

budget? @ the moment like $200.. lol.. probably next year i'll be in the $5k to $7k range. i can pick up a (not too) rusty 416 for around $5500 right now and i was just wondering how they were. I'm not really too worried about minimal rust, as im sure i will piss off the mog crew by brutalizing it in the long run.

[unissamog]

well just keep your eyes peeled. there are dokas out there, and if you don't care about rust, there are some that can be had in your price range.

[coachgeo]

he has a couple 404 chassis in WA. 2500 buks Buy a doka cab or make one like many do from a regular cab. Box the frame put in a SBC or? & a 700r4 xx?T-case, Put in a 3link suspesion and wheel.

Search Unimogken in the 4-sale section,

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[Discosaurus]

To answer the original question, yes, IMO, the 406 wheelbase is a little short for serious rock and ledge work. In the Land Rover community, several serious rock crawlers are hacking their 90" SWB's and converting them to somewhere between 110-120".

I think a 416 chassis at, what is it, 114" WB ?, would be a better choice if you're in the rocks. If you're out east, the 406 would probably do fine.

My choice for overall wheeling would be a 416 Doka, modified of course...

keith


disclaimer - current land rover owner, future 416 owner

[Wolfgang]

Please tell me where i can find a DOKA cab. I think that is a hard part to find one.
Coachgeo, why schould he box the frame??

www.killeraxles.com

[coachgeo]

Originally posted by Wolfgang

Coachgeo, why schould he box the frame??

www.killeraxles.com

Im an educated amature human engineer (biomechanics) not an automotive engineer so yeah.."box frame" responce is a slightly uneducated theory that rattled loose in my head.

Basicaly, I was refering to a 404 and its frame flex. A 406 on up have less frame flex from what I understand.

My rattleing theory is unless the person has engineering background and can make or have made pivoting motor mounts and all the other things neccissary to handle the 404 frame flex I was thinking it would be better to eleminate the frame flex and then weld in the motor/trany-Tcase mounts of his choice etc.

Am I way off in my theory?

[Wolfgang]

The 404 has a real good frame flex. But if you use the frame for a rockbuggy with much less of weight, you loose almost any frame flex. The 406 also have less flex because the 406 is shorter.
We used the 404 and 406 frame for offroad rigs and never had problems with the Motor or tranny mounts.

[coachgeo]

Originally posted by Wolfgang
The 404 has a real good frame flex. But if you use the frame for a rockbuggy with much less of weight, you loose almost any frame flex. The 406 also have less flex because the 406 is shorter.
We used the 404 and 406 frame for offroad rigs and never had problems with the Motor or tranny mounts.

Good to know thanx. I gather from what ur saying is you did weld in conventional Motor mounts on the 404's and 406's ur speaking of.

for me I could see in the future taking my expedition style mog which is heavy and putting a domestic engine tranny in it. (after I wear out the diesel OM617). I would think; due to its weight, it is more prone to use the available frame flex and would need either flexy engine, tranny-Tcase mounts or boxed frame.

oh and yeah I could see my Mog Camper getting some action...axles twisted up at times. I would love to go back to the Rubicon to camp at either Spider or the the Springs in this Mog.

What do yo folk think? Wolfgang?


Thanx again.