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Old 06-30-2003, 04:14 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Exclamation New Dana 60 King Pin Knuckles (Now with new pics)

New heavy duty Dana 60 king pin knuckles available July 3

Features Include:
- Cast from high strength nodular iron
- Beefed up with extra material & ribbing
- 100% interchangeable with a Chevy king pin knuckle
- 5th bolt hole for high steer arms (4 bolt arms still fit)
- Cast in steering stop eliminates bent stop bolts
- Tapered tie rod hole for 1 ton ends
- Tie rod holes can be drilled to accept 3/4" rod end
- Powder coated bright orange for long lasting looks
- Fully machined and ready for installation
- Left & right knuckles sold in pairs or individually
Introductory price only $259.00 each for PBB members

Dealer inquiries welcome. Knuckles for off-road use only.


PLEASE NOTE THE PICTURES SHOWN ARE OF A PROTOTYPE PART. PRODUCTION PARTS WILL BE POWDER COATED BRIGHT ORANGE.
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Old 06-30-2003, 04:26 PM   #2 (permalink)
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Old 06-30-2003, 04:34 PM   #4 (permalink)
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Old 06-30-2003, 06:39 PM   #5 (permalink)
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I see that the steering stops are cast in, what degree of turn do they allow? Thats about the only thing that concerns me..

Thanks!! They look good!!
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The stop are set long by 1/4" plus so you can grind the tips to your desired angle. Production units will be arriving on the 2nd or 3rd, we will immediatley install a set and I will get you an exact number.
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Plan on making any for fords? (78-79s) 5 bolt pattern?
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im gonna ask may be stupid.. but why not do aways with the stock tre locations.. and just cast a high steer arm units into the knuckle.. theres gotta be a good reason.. only thing im thinking is that there may bea weakness in the steering arm.. wanna enlighten us dummies?
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im gonna ask may be stupid.. but why not do aways with the stock tre locations.. and just cast a high steer arm units into the knuckle.. theres gotta be a good reason.. only thing im thinking is that there may bea weakness in the steering arm.. wanna enlighten us dummies?
Some people may want stock locations
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Plan on making any for fords? (78-79s) 5 bolt pattern?
If the Chevy one does well in sales and we feel there is a demand for a version with a Ford bolt pattern we may make a run of them.

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im gonna ask may be stupid.. but why not do aways with the stock tre locations.. and just cast a high steer arm units into the knuckle.. theres gotta be a good reason.. only thing im thinking is that there may bea weakness in the steering arm.. wanna enlighten us dummies?
We wanted to keep these as stock replacement as possible. Casting in a high steer arm is very possible and would be strong. But lets say you want to put your steering behind the axle or change your tie rod/ heim size. Just a few things we thought of.

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i understand sum wish to keep there stock location.. . yet most off roaders run histeer.. and since in teh very first post its stated off road use only... why not go ahead and precast a hi steer set up.. for front and rear .. yes it would require more tooling .. but in teh long run it would be more feesible .. maybe im just silly..

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The problem I see with casting the high steer into the knuckle is hole placement, Some people run the TRE as close as 6" from kingpin center or as far away as 9"+ from kingpin center. I think there are to many variables to play with there, I think the 5th bolt hole is a great idea as far as strength goes..

Thumbs up, I may have to grab a set of those!!!

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The problem I see with casting the high steer into the knuckle is hole placement, Some people run the TRE as close as 6" from kingpin center or as far away as 9"+ from kingpin center. I think there are to many variables to play with there, I think the 5th bolt hole is a great idea as far as strength goes..

Thumbs up, I may have to grab a set of those!!!

I could not agree more about casting in the arm.

I am glad you like the 5th hole, now that the top of the knuckle is beefed up the next weak link are the studs, so why not have 5 BTW, we will soon be stocking an ARP stud kit.

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ok, my questions, & things I'm sure a few more are curious about would be...

#1 What is the approximate strength increase over a stock (GM) knuckle? A realistic estimate would be nice, don't have to be exact.
#2 Are you planning any type of "generic" 5 bolt/studed "drill it yourself" steering arms?
#3 I know I'm probably pushing my luck here, being someone that can break even a stock 60 knuckle can break damn near anything (I have 2 to my credit with nothing more than a stock steering box) but are you offering any type of warranty?
#4 You say the next weak link is the studs... Promise

Thanks for doing what you've done regardless, we need this stuff.
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are you going to sell the inner knuckle C's also ?

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ok, my questions, & things I'm sure a few more are curious about would be...

#1 What is the approximate strength increase over a stock (GM) knuckle? A realistic estimate would be nice, don't have to be exact.
#2 Are you planning any type of "generic" 5 bolt/studed "drill it yourself" steering arms?
#3 I know I'm probably pushing my luck here, being someone that can break even a stock 60 knuckle can break damn near anything (I have 2 to my credit with nothing more than a stock steering box) but are you offering any type of warranty?
#4 You say the next weak link is the studs... Promise

Thanks for doing what you've done regardless, we need this stuff.
#1 I will get you an exact answer when my engineer returns from vacation on Mon.
#2 All of the knuckles will be sent out with a drawing of the exact location of the 5th hole so you can modify your existing arm, the other 4 are in the stock location.
#3 I do not believe we are but I will check with the owner and get back to you.
#4 No promises, but with 5 studs who knows? Hopefully the weak link wont be our product

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are you going to sell the inner knuckle C's also ?

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so is it waaayyy to late to change to the newer style with the higher tie rod arm location?
90s dodge style has the higher location stock and those look like old chev stuff
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so is it waaayyy to late to change to the newer style with the higher tie rod arm location?
90s dodge style has the higher location stock and those look like old chev stuff
Yes it is too late, we went with the Chevy style so it would fit both Dodge and Chevy Kingpins.

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they look great
thanks for offering them at a great price
I think you will do well with that product, even better when you offer the inner part for hybrid application or converting new superduty and dodge axles to manual hubs over the unitized stuff
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they look great
thanks for offering them at a great price
I think you will do well with that product, even better when you offer the inner part for hybrid application or converting new superduty and dodge axles to manual hubs over the unitized stuff
Thank you for the complement MJ. I will post up when the inner "C"s are done.

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We'll have a complimentary 5-bolt arm ASAP.
There are a few problems with casting-in a high arm--some have already been noted, and I'll add a couple:
Height--what if you need a spacer to clear your springs?
Draglink only, tierod and draglink, or...? Just put a giant flat area on it?
At that price, if you don't like the low arm... just cut it off. Deleting it at the foundry level only saves about $5 a unit--it's worth keeping for that, at least on the generic parts.
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nice product

wouldn't you go with cast steel instead of cast iron like the ones that Crane High Clearance is manufacturing, from my understanding the strength is night and day.

But your price reflects the different material base, I would imagine that the price would go up if you used steel instead.

anyways, my .02

good luck with the product.

if your unaware of the crane product here is there link, plus tim and chris would be more than willing to run down the specs of their product to compare tensile strengths.

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Re: nice product

Why would you highjack his thread.. they didn't highjack Cranes..



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wouldn't you go with cast steel instead of cast iron like the ones that Crane High Clearance is manufacturing, from my understanding the strength is night and day.

But your price reflects the different material base, I would imagine that the price would go up if you used steel instead.

anyways, my .02

good luck with the product.

if your unaware of the crane product here is there link, plus tim and chris would be more than willing to run down the specs of their product to compare tensile strengths.

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