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JOHNS351C · 07-15-2003, 10:38 AM

Staz Works has been a distributer for these for a while now like many things, and it seems alot of people have a great deal of interst in them lately. Well here it is "THE ULTIMATE INSTANT HEAT TIRE GROOVER" made in Germany.

This groover comes with four temperature settings and a pressure-activated head that adjusts to fit cutting blades from 5/64" to 7/8". This is day and night to other groovers that wear the user out faster than anything else, it cuts like butter through rubber with very little effort by the user.

The groover is priced at $375

Blades in sizes from #1-6 are priced at $20 for a pack of 20

sceep · 07-15-2003, 10:43 AM

I've been looking @ groovers all day, and i cant for the life of me figure out how big a #1 -2-3- etc. blade is. care to shed any light on the subject? also. what is the projected life expectancy of the blades?

JOHNS351C · 07-15-2003, 10:46 AM

One more thing, since this is a expensive groover to only use the one os so times you may need it, I am willing to do a buy back on them that will be pro rated on how long you have had it and what kinda condition it is in. Once I get some back under this plan I will be able to sell used ones at a cheaper price and after getting one back a couple times I will be able to rent or lease them out.

Thanks,
John
Staz Works

JOHNS351C · 07-15-2003, 11:00 AM

I have not had enough personal experiance with the differant sizes to give you a straight answer, but I just called my distributer and they said their is 6 even steps from 5/64" to 7/8".

sceep · 07-15-2003, 11:13 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by JOHNS351C
I have not had enough personal experiance with the differant sizes to give you a straight answer, but I just called my distributer and they said their is 6 even steps from 5/64" to 7/8".

is that width, depth, or both??

JOHNS351C · 07-15-2003, 11:53 AM

I do believe that is the width, the depth is adjustable by how far the blade sticks out. I have gone to about 1/2 deep on some passes but it is more likely to ruin blades the farther it sticks out.

John

RickyR · 07-15-2003, 03:27 PM

I have one of these.. It is awesome. People come out of the woodwork when they find out you have one!!!!
Blade depth is determined by the adjustment of the blade itself. It has 2 clamps that can be adjusted when you attach the blade. The blades differ by the bottom contour.
The real harm in blades is when the blade is heated and doesn't have the tire rubber to cool it and it goes back to cut the tire. It then bends the blade and it's done. If you are careful 1 blade can do 2-3 sets of tires...
Ricky...seeya...

sceep · 07-18-2003, 08:36 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by JOHNS351C
One more thing, since this is a expensive groover to only use the one os so times you may need it, I am willing to do a buy back on them that will be pro rated on how long you have had it and what kinda condition it is in. Once I get some back under this plan I will be able to sell used ones at a cheaper price and after getting one back a couple times I will be able to rent or lease them out.

Thanks,
John
Staz Works

so john,
any idea on what the pro-rated day rate buyback numbers are yet?

Nate

JOHNS351C · 07-18-2003, 02:56 PM

Until I have a used one to sell I cant give any more than 275$ back on a 375$ unit. That is figuring on you haveing it for around a month or so, and it coming back in near perfect condition. That should be enough time for about anyone to figure out what they are doing with it.

John

Lance · 07-22-2003, 09:36 AM

BF Goodrich uses these groovers - they definitely GET IT as far as groovers go!

TheLakeRat · 07-24-2003, 07:52 AM

We used Daniels that he let us borrow and it is awesome, looks to be the exact same one.
But don't groove those 48's sidewalls like that cause we did and the tires lasted about 5 minutes before they cracked and had a hole big enough for me to stick 3 fingers in.
It sucked to spend that much on something that you don't get to use.

godzuki · 07-25-2003, 05:19 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by sceep
I've been looking @ groovers all day, and i cant for the life of me figure out how big a #1 -2-3- etc. blade is. care to shed any light on the subject? also. what is the projected life expectancy of the blades?

sceep i used a #3 blade it 13 approx. 5/8 wide and i set it at about 3/4 deep i used 2 blades to groove the 48s.

JOHNS351C · 07-25-2003, 08:02 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by TheLakeRat
We used Daniels that he let us borrow and it is awesome, looks to be the exact same one.
But don't groove those 48's sidewalls like that cause we did and the tires lasted about 5 minutes before they cracked and had a hole big enough for me to stick 3 fingers in.
It sucked to spend that much on something that you don't get to use.

How deep did you groove them?
Do you have any pics of how you did it?
would you say to not groove the sides at all? or just do it sparingly?
Something tells me you grooved them down to the cords.
I would like to talk to you more about how you grooved them so I can avoid some screw ups. Can you gibve me a call sometime when you have a chance.

thanks,
John

TheLakeRat · 07-25-2003, 08:19 AM

We tried to stay about 3/16 away from the cords but Daniel told us we could go all the way to the cords.
I tell you one thing i won't do that again.
I'll try to call you later i need to talk to you anyway.

jasonmt · 07-26-2003, 07:29 PM

We have one of these at the family heavy duty truck shop. Works just like magic and ours is used for industrial and heavy truck tires. I have a pic. that shows a bit more info on the blades.

JOHNS351C · 07-26-2003, 08:33 PM

Thank you very much! Do you care if I put that pic at the top of the thread?

John

jasonmt · 07-27-2003, 10:47 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by JOHNS351C
Thank you very much! Do you care if I put that pic at the top of the thread?

John

Feel free John. Blades up here are a fortune at $100 for 20 from our local supplier so I might be calling you in a little while for some replacements.

KYcrawler · 07-28-2003, 06:39 PM

i have grooved 46 48 and 52"s all the way down to the cords and have never had problems with the side walls splitting my ? is how much pressure did you air them up to after you cut them ? i have gone to 40 and no probs

TheLakeRat · 07-29-2003, 09:08 AM

We ran ours at about 10 PSI and they just cracked and fell apart. I called daniel and asked about it and he said that he'd replace them so we dismounted them and then ghe changed his mind and said that we must have abused them in the 2 hours that we had them on the ground.
I'd like to say a bunch of nasty things right now but since he's not here to be able to come up with some great excuse i'll just let it die. (can you tell i'm a little bitter ?)

BigHG · 07-30-2003, 09:51 PM

I ordered up a groover today! Let the rubber fly!

JOHNS351C · 07-31-2003, 06:04 AM

thanks, Craig

I will have it on the way very shortly.

John

TheLakeRat · 07-31-2003, 08:45 PM

John sorry i havn't gotten back to you it's been hecktic trying to get ready for RTC. here are the pics of the 48's that we groved.
They flexed awesome but the tires the DAniel sold us were extremely dryrotted.

JOHNS351C · 08-04-2003, 08:45 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by BigHG
I ordered up a groover today! Let the rubber fly!

Your groover is on the way as of this morning.
You are lucky!

JOHNS351C · 08-04-2003, 08:55 PM

Guys I got good and bad news, When I got the bill for BigHG's groover the price had gone up 35$. I called and they said it was because of problems in getting them imported. Well after talking to them they agreed to hold to the original price for a week because they never gave me any notice.

So here it is, till the end of the day August 11 the price will still be 375$ on the groover, after that the price is going up to 410$. this out of my hands so there will be no exception on this. I must have payment by that day.

thanks,
John

BigHG · 08-05-2003, 08:24 PM

Thanks for the update John! I'll be waiting for it.

07-15-2003, 10:38 AM	#1 (permalink)
JOHNS351C Registered User Join Date: Nov 2001 Member # 8282 Location: Wisconsin Posts: 1,125	Ultimate Instant Heat Tire Groover *price change alert* Staz Works has been a distributer for these for a while now like many things, and it seems alot of people have a great deal of interst in them lately. Well here it is "THE ULTIMATE INSTANT HEAT TIRE GROOVER" made in Germany. This groover comes with four temperature settings and a pressure-activated head that adjusts to fit cutting blades from 5/64" to 7/8". This is day and night to other groovers that wear the user out faster than anything else, it cuts like butter through rubber with very little effort by the user. The groover is priced at $375 Blades in sizes from #1-6 are priced at $20 for a pack of 20 Attached Images __________________ [SIZE=4][COLOR=DarkOrange]Stazworks[/COLOR][/SIZE] [B]The leader in Custom Double Beadlock wheels[/B] On SALE NOW [COLOR="DarkOrange"][SIZE="2"][I]20x14's[/I][/SIZE][/COLOR] Due to NEW tooling we can now build std. 1pc 20x14's, and up to a 20x25's without banding! [COLOR=DarkOrange]www.STAZWORKS.com[/COLOR] (715) 333-RIMS,(7467) shop number (715) 333-7250 office John Staszak-owner Last edited by JOHNS351C; 08-04-2003 at 09:16 PM.

07-15-2003, 10:46 AM	#3 (permalink)
JOHNS351C Registered User Join Date: Nov 2001 Member # 8282 Location: Wisconsin Posts: 1,125	One more thing, since this is a expensive groover to only use the one os so times you may need it, I am willing to do a buy back on them that will be pro rated on how long you have had it and what kinda condition it is in. Once I get some back under this plan I will be able to sell used ones at a cheaper price and after getting one back a couple times I will be able to rent or lease them out. Thanks, John Staz Works __________________ [SIZE=4][COLOR=DarkOrange]Stazworks[/COLOR][/SIZE] [B]The leader in Custom Double Beadlock wheels[/B] On SALE NOW [COLOR="DarkOrange"][SIZE="2"][I]20x14's[/I][/SIZE][/COLOR] Due to NEW tooling we can now build std. 1pc 20x14's, and up to a 20x25's without banding! [COLOR=DarkOrange]www.STAZWORKS.com[/COLOR] (715) 333-RIMS,(7467) shop number (715) 333-7250 office John Staszak-owner

07-15-2003, 11:00 AM	#4 (permalink)
JOHNS351C Registered User Join Date: Nov 2001 Member # 8282 Location: Wisconsin Posts: 1,125	I have not had enough personal experiance with the differant sizes to give you a straight answer, but I just called my distributer and they said their is 6 even steps from 5/64" to 7/8". __________________ [SIZE=4][COLOR=DarkOrange]Stazworks[/COLOR][/SIZE] [B]The leader in Custom Double Beadlock wheels[/B] On SALE NOW [COLOR="DarkOrange"][SIZE="2"][I]20x14's[/I][/SIZE][/COLOR] Due to NEW tooling we can now build std. 1pc 20x14's, and up to a 20x25's without banding! [COLOR=DarkOrange]www.STAZWORKS.com[/COLOR] (715) 333-RIMS,(7467) shop number (715) 333-7250 office John Staszak-owner

07-15-2003, 11:53 AM	#6 (permalink)
JOHNS351C Registered User Join Date: Nov 2001 Member # 8282 Location: Wisconsin Posts: 1,125	I do believe that is the width, the depth is adjustable by how far the blade sticks out. I have gone to about 1/2 deep on some passes but it is more likely to ruin blades the farther it sticks out. John __________________ [SIZE=4][COLOR=DarkOrange]Stazworks[/COLOR][/SIZE] [B]The leader in Custom Double Beadlock wheels[/B] On SALE NOW [COLOR="DarkOrange"][SIZE="2"][I]20x14's[/I][/SIZE][/COLOR] Due to NEW tooling we can now build std. 1pc 20x14's, and up to a 20x25's without banding! [COLOR=DarkOrange]www.STAZWORKS.com[/COLOR] (715) 333-RIMS,(7467) shop number (715) 333-7250 office John Staszak-owner

07-15-2003, 03:27 PM	#7 (permalink)
RickyR Registered User Join Date: Sep 2000 Member # 1750 Location: Charleston, SC, Posts: 440	I have one of these.. It is awesome. People come out of the woodwork when they find out you have one!!!! Blade depth is determined by the adjustment of the blade itself. It has 2 clamps that can be adjusted when you attach the blade. The blades differ by the bottom contour. The real harm in blades is when the blade is heated and doesn't have the tire rubber to cool it and it goes back to cut the tire. It then bends the blade and it's done. If you are careful 1 blade can do 2-3 sets of tires... Ricky...seeya... __________________ 401 LJ the " RUBINCON "

07-18-2003, 02:56 PM	#9 (permalink)
JOHNS351C Registered User Join Date: Nov 2001 Member # 8282 Location: Wisconsin Posts: 1,125	Until I have a used one to sell I cant give any more than 275$ back on a 375$ unit. That is figuring on you haveing it for around a month or so, and it coming back in near perfect condition. That should be enough time for about anyone to figure out what they are doing with it. John __________________ [SIZE=4][COLOR=DarkOrange]Stazworks[/COLOR][/SIZE] [B]The leader in Custom Double Beadlock wheels[/B] On SALE NOW [COLOR="DarkOrange"][SIZE="2"][I]20x14's[/I][/SIZE][/COLOR] Due to NEW tooling we can now build std. 1pc 20x14's, and up to a 20x25's without banding! [COLOR=DarkOrange]www.STAZWORKS.com[/COLOR] (715) 333-RIMS,(7467) shop number (715) 333-7250 office John Staszak-owner

07-22-2003, 09:36 AM	#10 (permalink)
Lance Administrator Join Date: Jun 1996 Member # 1 Location: El Dorado Hills, CA Posts: 18,739 Blog Entries: 1	BF Goodrich uses these groovers - they definitely GET IT as far as groovers go!

07-24-2003, 07:52 AM	#11 (permalink)
TheLakeRat Team RedNeck Join Date: Mar 2001 Member # 3941 Location: San Angelo, Republic of Texas Posts: 890	We used Daniels that he let us borrow and it is awesome, looks to be the exact same one. But don't groove those 48's sidewalls like that cause we did and the tires lasted about 5 minutes before they cracked and had a hole big enough for me to stick 3 fingers in. It sucked to spend that much on something that you don't get to use. __________________ Matt Hodges, Owner West Texas 4Wheel & Offroad 325-653-7001 1811 W. Beauregard Ave. San Angelo, TX. 76901 www.westtexasoffroad.com Redneck is not a style, fashion, or something that occurs due to location – It’s way of life. You can’t be one - either You Are or You Aren’t. I AM.~SilverZuk

07-25-2003, 08:19 AM	#14 (permalink)
TheLakeRat Team RedNeck Join Date: Mar 2001 Member # 3941 Location: San Angelo, Republic of Texas Posts: 890	We tried to stay about 3/16 away from the cords but Daniel told us we could go all the way to the cords. I tell you one thing i won't do that again. I'll try to call you later i need to talk to you anyway. __________________ Matt Hodges, Owner West Texas 4Wheel & Offroad 325-653-7001 1811 W. Beauregard Ave. San Angelo, TX. 76901 www.westtexasoffroad.com Redneck is not a style, fashion, or something that occurs due to location – It’s way of life. You can’t be one - either You Are or You Aren’t. I AM.~SilverZuk

07-26-2003, 07:29 PM	#15 (permalink)
jasonmt Registered User Join Date: Feb 2001 Member # 3236 Location: Alberta, Canada Posts: 3,761	We have one of these at the family heavy duty truck shop. Works just like magic and ours is used for industrial and heavy truck tires. I have a pic. that shows a bit more info on the blades. Attached Images __________________ [QUOTE=Roxywheels]The trolls always out themselves :laughing: :roxy:[/QUOTE] Last edited by jasonmt; 07-26-2003 at 07:34 PM.

07-26-2003, 08:33 PM	#16 (permalink)
JOHNS351C Registered User Join Date: Nov 2001 Member # 8282 Location: Wisconsin Posts: 1,125	Thank you very much! Do you care if I put that pic at the top of the thread? John __________________ [SIZE=4][COLOR=DarkOrange]Stazworks[/COLOR][/SIZE] [B]The leader in Custom Double Beadlock wheels[/B] On SALE NOW [COLOR="DarkOrange"][SIZE="2"][I]20x14's[/I][/SIZE][/COLOR] Due to NEW tooling we can now build std. 1pc 20x14's, and up to a 20x25's without banding! [COLOR=DarkOrange]www.STAZWORKS.com[/COLOR] (715) 333-RIMS,(7467) shop number (715) 333-7250 office John Staszak-owner

07-28-2003, 06:39 PM	#18 (permalink)
KYcrawler Registered User Join Date: Feb 2002 Member # 9829 Location: Crawfordsville IN Posts: 1,473	i have grooved 46 48 and 52"s all the way down to the cords and have never had problems with the side walls splitting my ? is how much pressure did you air them up to after you cut them ? i have gone to 40 and no probs

07-29-2003, 09:08 AM	#19 (permalink)
TheLakeRat Team RedNeck Join Date: Mar 2001 Member # 3941 Location: San Angelo, Republic of Texas Posts: 890	We ran ours at about 10 PSI and they just cracked and fell apart. I called daniel and asked about it and he said that he'd replace them so we dismounted them and then ghe changed his mind and said that we must have abused them in the 2 hours that we had them on the ground. I'd like to say a bunch of nasty things right now but since he's not here to be able to come up with some great excuse i'll just let it die. (can you tell i'm a little bitter ?) __________________ Matt Hodges, Owner West Texas 4Wheel & Offroad 325-653-7001 1811 W. Beauregard Ave. San Angelo, TX. 76901 www.westtexasoffroad.com Redneck is not a style, fashion, or something that occurs due to location – It’s way of life. You can’t be one - either You Are or You Aren’t. I AM.~SilverZuk

07-30-2003, 09:51 PM	#20 (permalink)
BigHG Granite Guru Join Date: Sep 2001 Member # 7168 Location: Phx Posts: 600	I ordered up a groover today! Let the rubber fly! __________________ Craig M.

07-31-2003, 06:04 AM	#21 (permalink)
JOHNS351C Registered User Join Date: Nov 2001 Member # 8282 Location: Wisconsin Posts: 1,125	thanks, Craig I will have it on the way very shortly. John __________________ [SIZE=4][COLOR=DarkOrange]Stazworks[/COLOR][/SIZE] [B]The leader in Custom Double Beadlock wheels[/B] On SALE NOW [COLOR="DarkOrange"][SIZE="2"][I]20x14's[/I][/SIZE][/COLOR] Due to NEW tooling we can now build std. 1pc 20x14's, and up to a 20x25's without banding! [COLOR=DarkOrange]www.STAZWORKS.com[/COLOR] (715) 333-RIMS,(7467) shop number (715) 333-7250 office John Staszak-owner

07-31-2003, 08:45 PM	#22 (permalink)
TheLakeRat Team RedNeck Join Date: Mar 2001 Member # 3941 Location: San Angelo, Republic of Texas Posts: 890	John sorry i havn't gotten back to you it's been hecktic trying to get ready for RTC. here are the pics of the 48's that we groved. They flexed awesome but the tires the DAniel sold us were extremely dryrotted. Attached Images __________________ Matt Hodges, Owner West Texas 4Wheel & Offroad 325-653-7001 1811 W. Beauregard Ave. San Angelo, TX. 76901 www.westtexasoffroad.com Redneck is not a style, fashion, or something that occurs due to location – It’s way of life. You can’t be one - either You Are or You Aren’t. I AM.~SilverZuk

08-04-2003, 08:55 PM	#24 (permalink)
JOHNS351C Registered User Join Date: Nov 2001 Member # 8282 Location: Wisconsin Posts: 1,125	Guys I got good and bad news, When I got the bill for BigHG's groover the price had gone up 35$. I called and they said it was because of problems in getting them imported. Well after talking to them they agreed to hold to the original price for a week because they never gave me any notice. So here it is, till the end of the day August 11 the price will still be 375$ on the groover, after that the price is going up to 410$. this out of my hands so there will be no exception on this. I must have payment by that day. thanks, John __________________ [SIZE=4][COLOR=DarkOrange]Stazworks[/COLOR][/SIZE] [B]The leader in Custom Double Beadlock wheels[/B] On SALE NOW [COLOR="DarkOrange"][SIZE="2"][I]20x14's[/I][/SIZE][/COLOR] Due to NEW tooling we can now build std. 1pc 20x14's, and up to a 20x25's without banding! [COLOR=DarkOrange]www.STAZWORKS.com[/COLOR] (715) 333-RIMS,(7467) shop number (715) 333-7250 office John Staszak-owner

08-05-2003, 08:24 PM	#25 (permalink)
BigHG Granite Guru Join Date: Sep 2001 Member # 7168 Location: Phx Posts: 600	Thanks for the update John! I'll be waiting for it. __________________ Craig M.

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