my 88/89 Sas and build

[lordtrunks]

Some of the early pics of the welding/choping got lost when montypics ate it.
But its a 88 frame with waggy 44 and J truck leafs, I'll be installing either a 4g63 or 4g64 motor backed by a auto and bronco dana 20. I'm gonna use a scout II steering box aswell.



D20 bolted to mitsu auto tranny

[4D55 Performance Inc]

Good to have you on board. I love the direction this is going. I think this is the first time I have seen the Dana 20 used. Welcome and make sure to keep us updated.

[JF]

Liking this project. I have often considered dropping a raider body onto a scout frame / running gear.

[88mitsu]

Originally Posted by JF

Liking this project. I have often considered dropping a raider body onto a scout frame / running gear.

K-Raider used a chevy frame/drivetrain give him a pm

[Raole Duke]

Originally Posted by lordtrunks

I'll be installing either a 4g63 or 4g64 motor backed by a auto and bronco dana 20. I'm gonna use a scout II steering box aswell.

You had me at 4g63.

I'll be watching this one.

[fattony]

Looking good so far, interesting to see how the D20 swap goes.

[TayJ]

Its been six days since you posted up LT. Any updates? When do you plan on having this rig trail ready?

[sneakyninja]

yeah WTF LT?

[lordtrunks]

When i retire

[mondtster]

Originally Posted by Raole Duke

You had me at 4g63.

I'll be watching this one.

It will be interesting to see what route he takes for this one to get it bolted to the tranny. Based on what has been posted, I think he is taking the hard way...

[Rockrenegade]

Originally Posted by mondtster

It will be interesting to see what route he takes for this one to get it bolted to the tranny. Based on what has been posted, I think he is taking the hard way...

x2. Why is everyone stuck on driverside drop and crummy jeep parts, when it comes to mitsu's?

[Baldy110]

Well when you are on a tight budget the most cost saving method is to use what is common and over the counter items. The reason I went with the driver's side drop was I wanted to use the Dana 44 high pinion which only came in Ford trucks and they all had the driver's side drop. I also used the Muncie SM420 tranny and since I already had the dana 44 installed the only commonly available transfer case with the driver's side drop was the NP231 which were at the time mostly in Jeeps." I could not just plunk down a lot of $$ for custom parts.

[Spicoli_D50]

Originally Posted by Rockrenegade

x2. Why is everyone stuck on driverside drop and crummy jeep parts, when it comes to mitsu's?

Few other axles are driverside drop and the right width to be streetlegalish. Plus as much as I hate to say this as a general rule mitsu owners are kinda cheap asses. On a SWB, a divorced t case isnt a real option.

Crummy jeep parts hard to figure out that comment exactly. Probly has alot to do with the fact that mitsus have quite close to zero aftermarket 4x4 stuff. And if a jeep part fits then its one more part/option we can use.

[Spicoli_D50]

LT are you using a wideblock or narrowblock tranny? I'd figure it hard to find a wideblock genuine 4g63 genuine meaning DOHC and turbo, unless you find one out of a 2.0 auto powered truck. Then even at that it wont have the bottom end squirters only real difference between the 4g63 dohc turbo and g63b sohc carbie that came in the trucks. Tho I do hear you can machine them in there for some dough.

[TayJ]

At least get some more pics posted up LT!

[Fawk Awph]

Originally Posted by Spicoli_D50

Few other axles are driverside drop and the right width to be streetlegalish. Plus as much as I hate to say this as a general rule mitsu owners are kinda cheap asses. On a SWB, a divorced t case isnt a real option.

Crummy jeep parts hard to figure out that comment exactly. Probly has alot to do with the fact that mitsus have quite close to zero aftermarket 4x4 stuff. And if a jeep part fits then its one more part/option we can use.

why are you stuck on using the driver drop tcase?

if you are into rock crawling you know the 2.xx:1 low range in any tcase isnt enough so why build yourself into a hold right off the bat by sticking with a case that has almost no after market. first thing to address would be your crawl ratio. so swap in some sort of dual tcase set up.

it is possible to swap in an Aw4 from a jeep and get a madrooster or box 4 rocks dual case kit for the NP231 and adapt that to a NP241 from an 1991 blazer that is passenger side drop.

from there you can go to toyota axles (which are stronger than a D44 with upgraded axles)

[88mitsu]

Some people aren't rich. Just putting it out there...

[Spicoli_D50]

Originally Posted by Fawk Awph

why are you stuck on using the driver drop tcase?

if you are into rock crawling you know the 2.xx:1 low range in any tcase isnt enough so why build yourself into a hold right off the bat by sticking with a case that has almost no after market. first thing to address would be your crawl ratio. so swap in some sort of dual tcase set up.

it is possible to swap in an Aw4 from a jeep and get a madrooster or box 4 rocks dual case kit for the NP231 and adapt that to a NP241 from an 1991 blazer that is passenger side drop.

from there you can go to toyota axles (which are stronger than a D44 with upgraded axles)

The AW4 from a jeep is kinda swappable. One of the guys on 4x4wire managed to make a dual case set up on his stockish monte.

I'm not the worlds most knowledgable on t cases so Ill let you do the reading on that article instead of me explaining. http://www.4x4wire.com/mitsubishi-te...r-gen2-montero

A montero with 4.90 diff gears and 3.15 t case gears will do most of your wheeling. Wont hang with your mitsu tho Fawk but it will do good enough for IFS I suppose

Keep the conversation going Fawk, I like picking brains

[Raole Duke]

Originally Posted by Spicoli_D50

The AW4 from a jeep is kinda swappable. One of the guys on 4x4wire managed to make a dual case set up on his stockish monte.

I'm not the worlds most knowledgable on t cases so Ill let you do the reading on that article instead of me explaining. http://www.4x4wire.com/mitsubishi-te...r-gen2-montero

A montero with 4.90 diff gears and 3.15 t case gears will do most of your wheeling. Wont hang with your mitsu tho Fawk but it will do good enough for IFS I suppose

Keep the conversation going Fawk, I like picking brains

Nathan's article is what motivated me to go doubler.
DDmachine talked me into putting the D300 behind the crawlbox instead of another 231, it doesn't need a SYE, and is gear driven, and 4:1 gears are $600 instead of $1000. I've been very happy with this setup combined with the AW4.

Jeep parts aren't all that bad.

[Fawk Awph]

you dont need to be rich, you need to be smart about what and where you buy stuff, as well as the direction you go with each build step.

i like the D300 duals behind the 231, you can also flip that without much problems too.

just saying you guys are on a rock crawling website so the idea here is to make a mitsu crawl. toyota pickups came IFS, just that doesnt mean you cant go huge, trust me.

looks like the only problem in that guys swap was the speedo no working, not sure if thats a big deal or not (computer use input from the speedo to shift???). if not then it is a great swap. there are a couple rare autos from toyotas that are extremely similar to the jeep autos, and they accept an adapter from MC that allows them to run toyota cases. this sounds like a good route for most of you that are into going slow.

unless you want to spend $$$$$ you really are stuck with toyota duals, or jeep duals.

of course you can always run a sammy tcase behind a 2wd tranny.

curious why the ford D20? i know there are 4:1 kits, did it have something to do with a simple input shaft?

[Spicoli_D50]

The IFS isnt the limiting factor. But outside of a 3in BL, torsion bar crank, and ball joint spacers if you trust them. Your out of lift. I know one of the AZ crew guys says his next set of tires will be to go with 38s. While one of the Cali guys has 37s. From what I recall both of them have lockers F&R. And out side of the AZ's guys recent bent UCA and idler arm little carnage to the actual suspension.

The speedo problem just makes it difficult to drive daily. I think only the later model 5spd auto (3rd gen) had a complex tranny with a fancy ecu for its self and all that. So outside of a nonworking speedo nothings really wrong with the swap.

I'm monstroulsy interested in Nathan's doubler set up. And would like to see another done.

2wd version of these trannys is incredibly rare. I know this b/c I hang out on a forum that would like to see the 6g72/4TT the motor used in 3000gts/stealthsused in a rwd application. The montero sports are the only thing I'm aware of that has a 2wd version of that tranny.

Now if you ran the 2.6 4cyl 2wd versions of them are a plenty. But then one would have to realistically make it a trail rig only. Big tires with a lil 4cyl and a doubler would be unrealistic to street. Which not being able to street it makes it a negative for most mtisu owners.

I'm starting to feel like a postwhore. :lol:

Glad to hear someone with some new views!!!

[4D55 Performance Inc]

the 6g72 came in 87.5-89 caravans and grand voyagers. Weather or not those are manuals or autos I don't know.

[Rockrenegade]

Now if you ran the 2.6 4cyl 2wd versions of them are a plenty. But then one would have to realistically make it a trail rig only. Big tires with a lil 4cyl and a doubler would be unrealistic to street. Which not being able to street it makes it a negative for most mtisu owners.

I'm starting to feel like a postwhore. :lol:

Glad to hear someone with some new views!!![/QUOTE]


There are tons of Toyota daily drivers, with 37's - 40's, that are totally capable on and off the trail. With 20r, 22r, 22re power. Its all about axel gearing for the street. Axel and case gearing for crawling.

[4D55 Performance Inc]

Here a list of some vehicles that came with the 6g72 engine. Maybe one of these vehicles has a trany that will work.

1990–2001 Mitsubishi GTO (aka Mitsubishi 3000GT, Dodge Stealth)
1989–1995 Plymouth Acclaim/Dodge Spirit
1987–2000 Dodge Caravan/Plymouth Voyager
1990–1993 Dodge Ram 50
1988–1989 Dodge Dynasty
1988–1990 Dodge Raider
1991-1996 Dodge Stealth
1987–1995 Chrysler LeBaron
1989–1991 Chrysler TC by Maserati
1988–1989 Chrysler New Yorker
1990–1993 Dodge Daytona
1989–1994 Dodge Shadow ES
1992–1994 Plymouth Duster
2000–2005 Mitsubishi Eclipse
1999–2003 Mitsubishi Galant
1988-1990 Mitsubishi Sigma
1990–1998 Hyundai Sonata
2001–2005 Dodge Stratus/Chrysler Sebring Coupe
1990–2002 Mitsubishi Diamante
1990–1996 Mitsubishi Mighty Max

[lordtrunks]

I won't be running dual cases i do like them but i'll be fine with just the 3.6:1 low range i could go for the 4:1 or even 4.86:1 in the 20 but for the expedition/crawling trips the 3.6 works for me without going double down cases. Speedo for these gen 1's are cable and another montero guy in cali works for a speedo shop and i have already talked to him and sounded like it was a cake job for him. I think i'll be picking up a shifter for it out of junkyard fwd car, or maybe just get some shifter cables and make some lever shifters or something.

As for the engine it will most likely be a 4g64(wideblock) Non turbo i drive slow i'm the guy that drives under the hiway speed limit I just leave early, anyway back to engines the 64's are more common but i do know where there are wideblock g63's are.

As for tires i'm only running 35's they work fine for me 37s are pretty cool i must say but when does the madness stop. hahaha

Tranny will be from a gen 1 or early gen 2 montero V6 or 4cyl (bellhousings innerchange) lockup would be nice, was gonna pick one up but it got crushed before i got there. Oh well

Its gonna be a pretty slow build I'd like to get started back up on it after the holidays.

Thanks for the questions dudes I like answering them maybe it will help you all get your minds going for your projects and mine.