dodge raider 3.0 vs 2.6 montero

[brigand123]

what is the difference in suspension between my 87 montero with the 2.6 and the 89 dodge raider with the 3.0 im picking up thursday? is it still leaf sprung in the rear allowing me to put the extended shakles and crank the torsion bars for about 2 inches or am i gonna have to do something else?

[Raole Duke]

Ever think about registering at www.4x4wire.com ?

You'd get alot more help with all these newb questions. People are friendlier there too.

Just sayin.

[Guns_and_Roses]

Originally Posted by Raole Duke

Ever think about registering at www.4x4wire.com ?

You'd get alot more help with all these newb questions. People are friendlier there too.

Just sayin.

What good is having a Mitsubishi section here on Pirate if you are going to try to send them away to 4x4wire?

why not answer his question first then be an ass clown.

The 2.6 has leaf springs in the back. The 3.0 has coils in the back. I think the front end is ifs on both of them but not sure.

You are going to have to SAS it and lift it but mine is fine with 33's and a lift no SAS.

[Raole Duke]

1. The op has started 15 threads in this section, most of the questions he asks can be answered by searching here, google, or 4x4wire for 5 minutes.

2. This is Pirate.

3. Have a nice day.

[88mitsu]

nearly identical truck except,

fuel injected versus carb
trailing arm rear end with coils and a track bar
bigger 9" rear end versus an 8" on a 2.6
bigger 8" front axle versus a 7.25" front axle
much stronger transmission
more power
front frame around the engine is slightly wider than a 2.6 frame
also, if you get a body lift, its 8 mounts on a V6 SWB rather than 10 on a 2.6 SWB


everything else is the same really

you can lift the rear about 1-2" using coils found in mid-90s monteros

[brigand123]

thanks, but not a he, a she and typically my husband is on here...and he doesnt ask newb questions everything thats been posted in the last 4 or so months is me...my hubby is on deployment right now

[Guns_and_Roses]

Originally Posted by brigand123

thanks, but not a he, a she and typically my husband is on here...and he doesnt ask newb questions everything thats been posted in the last 4 or so months is me...my hubby is on deployment right now

Yeah!!

Welcome to Pirate!

forget the haters. there are some decent folk here.

[raidinator]

one difference that might be important as far as future modifications goes is that the v6 version of the swb was not as widely produced and so is even less supported than the 4 banger (on the other hand it is the same block as the 300ogt v4 so twin turbos isn't too hard)

anyway yes ignore the haters, they hate because they hurt ingore them and let em heal, until then lets go wheelin

good luck

[88mitsu]

Originally Posted by raidinator

one difference that might be important as far as future modifications goes is that the v6 version of the swb was not as widely produced and so is even less supported than the 4 banger (on the other hand it is the same block as the 300ogt v4 so twin turbos isn't too hard)

How is that?

Aussie locker makes a front locker for V6s
Gen2 rear axles with lockers swap easily into a V6
jeep np231/np241/dana 300/etc. can be swapped into a V6 automatics
There are more 3.0 engines hanging around than 2.6s nowadays


I would say a V6 truck, if you had to choose, is far better than a 2.6

[Guns_and_Roses]

he is referring to engine mods i guess.

the six cylinder is way better than the four in my opinion.

[rxinhed]

I'm about to turn 171K miles on my 87 Raider and the engine has not been apart, mind you it needs timing chains replaced and still has the original water pump/head/valve adjustment and is living on borrowed time.

My Raider is the best vehicle I've had, hands down!

That said, there are still some differences not mentioned specifically.

1. The fuel tank on the SWB V6 is unique and hard to find used with only two years of production.

2. Some color schemes were only in late 89 and 90, such as the grey-blue interior.

3. There is this little frame-to-body connection visible in the front of the rear wheel wells.

4. The rear frame section is the same as the 4-door. The hitch plate protrudes through the bumper on the V6 model, rather than recessed as on the 4-cyl.

5. The V6 SWB rides higher in the rear than the 4-cyl, and has a rear sway bar sometimes.

Russell the Raider Guy

[raidinator]

The reasons I prefer the 4 banger for modification reasons is because the front diff is the same as the pre 87 starions opening a world of diffs including the stock station LSD which I managed to pick up for about 100 bucks. Out back the rear end from a gen 2 is still a pretty easy install and montero sports came with LSD in the first place
The suspention can be modified by a mix of yota and later mitsu parts. unless you really want to radically change the suspention. in which case you would be hacking everything below the doors off anyway
The swb montero sport with the g54b 4banger was the car that won the Paris-Dakar rally. It was also the last fully mechanically aspirated dakar rally winner which is cool because you can fix it without electronics in the field
as far as getting more power out out of the g54b, the starion turbo conversions are more common than mouth breathers in k-mart. high comp pistons high lift cams, everything from astron intakes and weber side drafts to custom intakes and port injection are available with a few clicks.
Admittedly i have not done as much research on the v6 as I have on 4 banger mostly because i already own the 4 banger. the v6 version is a solid rig and im sure there is support for it, i just have had more trouble finding it.

[AutoBodyGod]

Since I had both and know which offers more parts for less, I would take a G54b any day. You have to make a 6g72 scream to make any low end horsepower. Timing belts over timing chains? Yeah....takes less work & money to fix a G54b if the chain snaps. I can't think of any aftermarket parts made for a 6g72?

[87TurboMontero]

So from what im reading is that the 7.5 ring gear will not fit the 87 LSD and the 8 inch will, And there for is why the V6 case is needed?

[city hunter]

You would need the 8 inch v6 front diff.

The diff mounts on a v6 and4 cylinder are a little different but easily swapped.

One benefit on the 4 cylinder would be the starion turbo swap. Tons of power and torque.

2nd gen front brakes are swappable in both rigs.

With the v6 you could always swap in a later 3.5 dohc engine, or attempt some 3000gt turbo swap.

It's really apples and oranges. Keep em cool and either will last you a long time. You wioll most likely break a few km145 transmissions in the 4 cylinder, on the other hand the 5 speed v6 trans are quite good. The auto g54b are suppose to be strong, and hold up to turbo swaps well.