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TIPS AND TRICKS for us TRX450R guys

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#1 · (Edited)
From the http://www.trx450r.org/ site
Just spend $6500 on your R ? --- Are you broke now ? --- But you want to get your "Politically Correct" TRX450R running like it should have off the assembly line ? --- (Honda being very conservative on horsepower and the industry's shifting to "quiet power" in ATV's, have really bottlenecked the new R, but luckily in ways that don't cost too much to square-away... And most times keeping it at or under the magic 96db noise limit ... If you don't care about noise, you should consider it because we owners can tend to create issues with "race bred pipes" EX: Where last year it was OK, a new elderly couple bought a cabin in tim-buk-too and doesn't like your thumper noise even though you have been riding there for years ... Complaints reflect negatively on our sport and since the whole market is shifting, our minds should be prepared for "quieter pipes" ... Ok enough about that ...)

Here we will teach you how to un-cork your R for the least amount of money possible the right way ... There are many ways to un-cork the 450R, but this thread discusses how to do it the most inexpensive way ... Read On --

The TRX450R comes from Honda pretty corked-up as far as power output goes and this is for many restrictions that government puts on new ATV's sold in this day in age ...

But un-corking your R is pretty cheap and simple ... All you need is some basic parts and some basic motorcycle know-how and you're set ...

STEP ONE
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Opening up the Airbox:

You can simply remove the Lid or cut the rear section out of your stock lid ... This is a free mod ... (Cutting the rear half of the lid in the perforation is very similar to the HRC lid without the water deflector flap and provides enough air to feed a 180-190 Main jet so removing the whole lid seems to not be necessary) ... *** In most cases the bike will rev better off the bottom by not totally removing the lid ...
When you remove the airbox lid, you'll see a white intake snorkel that extends down into the airbox and connects to the carb inletting ... Remove this piece and cut the whole rectangular shaped part off ... Deburr and smooth the piece inside diameter and outside diameter where you cut ... The part to cut off looks like a vaccum cleaner attachment ... Replace this piece the way you took it out ...

Finally, there is a 3-way breather T on the right top side of the engine case right behind the header pipe ... Remove this, and look down inside ... You will see a reduction about half way down that is smaller in ID than the rest of the large part of the T ... You will ream this out with about a 1/4 to 3/8" drill bit making it the same size as the rest of the ID of that part of the T ... And replace securely after cleaning out all shavings ... Done

Total Cost: FREE


STEP TWO
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Re-Jetting the carb ...see post below


JETTING FAQ

buy either the HRC, Sparks, or DynoJet kit to re-jet your R ... The reason for this is these kits come with a much steeper tapered needle and this is imperative to a linear mid-range fuel metering ... The stock needle is designed to support the stock R and simply moving the clip to the 4th or 5th position (stock is 3rd) is not optimum and you may experience a bog or improper jetting ... All I can say is: USE THE REVISED NEEDLE WHEREVER YOU GET IT, THIS IS IMPORTANT ! ... Now some are doing an alternate measure to this requirement by bumping the 48 stock pilot jet to a 50 pilot and dropping the clip on the stock needle to the 4th position ... Now I don't have any issues with you trying this, but as I have said before, if Honda has us replace the needle as part of the HRC power-up kit, rather than replace the pilot, I'm sure there's a reason ...

Total cost: $25-$50

Sparks Jet kit: $50
(comes with HRC needle, and an assortment of main jets)
HRC Jet kit: $25
(comes with HRC needle and a 185 Main Jet)
DynoJet kit: $45-$50
(comes with revised taper needle and an assortment of jets and a block-off device to aid in low end fuel metering)


STEP THREE
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Opening Up The Exhaust:

This is simple ... The stock arrestor is removed by removing 3 allen head screws and is replaced with a bigger end cap ... You have a couple choices ... There are HRC End Caps,There are also inexpensive 2" end cap inserts on eBay that cost about the same or just put your cap back on ,but this way doesnt sound AS good but still okay...
Total Cost: $25-$35 or free if you use your old one


IF YOU STOP HERE, YOU VIRTUALLY HAVE THE FUNCTIONAL EQUIVALENT OF THE HRC KIT MINUS THE CAM... SO FOR ABOUT $120 MORE YOU CAN ADD A HOTCAM AND HAVE A MEAN R ... FOR A TOTAL OF $170 !


STEP FOUR (Not required but worth it's weight in gold)
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Upgrading the stock flame arrested air filter:

Hands down the best buy we here at trx450r.org feel is the Sparks Racing filter kit ... It comes with a foam high flow filter, billet aluminum verturis ring and clamp ... This billet ring allows for a much more reliable and rigid mount and provides for a smoother transition from filter to boot ... You could buy a W Bros or UNI for a little less, but they either come with a arrestor cage, or no billet ring ... Spend the extra $15-$20 and buy this filter ... If you already have a pro design or sparks ring, the replacement filters are $27 ... (This mod is not mandatory but rounds out out budget hop-up package in a big way) ... Any foamie comes dry so you will need air filter oil ..
Total Cost: $45


GRAND TOTAL:

$50 to $85

Adding the sparks filter you are at $130 ...
 
#2 · (Edited)
A LTTLE ON JETTING

Where the various Jets in the carb come in to play:

Air Screw/Pilot: Idle to 1/8 to 1/4 Throttle
Needle Jet: 1/4 to 3/4 Throttle
Main Jet: 3/4 to Full Throttle (On the TRX carb, it's 1/2 to Full throttle)
--There is a bit of overlap on each jet; this is just a ball-park figure to show you where each jet works as you apply throttle.

Stock Idle setting is: 1650 RPM

*** All jetting recommendations are general recommendations to get you in the ball-park of where you need to be. Most of these are very close, but as in any type of carbureted motorcycle, variables can exist that can require adjustment from our recommendations ... These are given as general requirements for those that live in North America running pump gasoline 91 octane minimum and ride under 2500 feet elevation at ambient temps of 50-90 Deg F (Lower temps will require richer jetting and higher temps will require leaner jetting) ... Fine tuning of your set-up is always recommended ... And of course, geniune Keihin jets or their equivalent is recommended ...

STOCK
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118 Main Jet
48 Pilot Jet
Air Screw 2 turns OUT
Needle on 3rd clip

STOCK PLUS HRC END CAP OR SLIP-ON WITH LID ON
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120 Main
48 Pilot
Air screw 2-2.25 OUT
Stock Needle on 3rd clip

STOCK PLUS HRC END CAP AND VENTED BOX OR LID
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150-165 Main
48 Pilot
Air Screw 2-2.25 OUT
Stock Needle on 3rd clip

STOCK PLUS HRC END CAP AND OPEN, HRC, EHS OR K&N LID
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180-190 Main
48 Pilot
Air Screw 2-2.75 OUT
HRC, Sparks, or DynoJet Needle on 3rd or 4th clip (try both)

STOCK PLUS FULL HRC KIT (Honda Recommended)***
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185 Main
48 Pilot
Air Screw 2-3 Turns OUT
HRC Needle on 3rd clip

STOCK PLUS SLIP-ON OR FULL PIPE AND OPEN, HRC, EHS OR K&N LID
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180-195 Main
48 Pilot (If air screw final adj is under 3 turns out)
50 Pilot (If air screw final adj is over 3 turns out)
Air Screw 2-3 Turns OUT
HRC, Sparks, or DynoJet Needle on 3rd or 4th clip (try both)

STOCK PLUS SLIP-ON OR FULL PIPE AND OPEN, HRC, EHS, OR K&N LID AND CAM
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180-195 Main
48 Pilot (If air screw final adj is under 3 turns out)
50 Pilot (If air screw final adj is over 3 turns out)
Air Screw 2-3 Turns OUT
HRC, Sparks, or DynoJet Needle on 3rd or 4th clip (try both)

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As you can see, adding a cam does not change recommended jetting enough to warrant anything but checking your tune to make sure you're still ok ...

FINAL NOTES:

It is a common thing to hear that when you completely remove the lid on a 450R that it exibits a bog, dip or delay in power. The remedy in 9 out of 10 cases where this happens is to either replace the lid and only cut half the rear perforation out (copying the HRC lid), replace the stock needle with the HRC, Sparks or DynoJet needle, or add some sort of aftermarket high flow lid like the EHS or K&N or just vent the lid ... The key is when the lid is completely off, there is no negative pressure in the airbox to allow for a fast response of the engine... There needs to be a bit of vaccum off the bottom to get the engine to respond quickly... The fuel metering on the 450R when in stock configuration is very leaned back and when you open up the box too much and don't change the needle jet, this is a common problem ... If you are going to do anything beyond just putting small vents in your lid or box, and are opening up the exhaust somehow, we recommend going to the new needle ... There is also a common alternative to this too that some pipe manufacturers are recommending ... Keeping the stock needle, and bumping the Pilot from 48 to 50 and running the needle's clip on the 4th or 5th clip position ... Now this has had decent results ... BUT, I am of the opinion that if this was a better way, then Honda wouldn't have us replace the stock needle with the HRC needle and keep the 48 pilot as part of the HRC kit ...

To each their own and we don't expect to be the final answer in jetting the 450R; this is just what us, many members and folks in the industry have fed back to us and we provide it here for your information ...

Good Luck jetting your R and mod-on !
 
#3 ·
A LITTLE ON GEARING

STOCK
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Front: 14 Tooth
Rear: 38 Tooth

Calculated Max speed: 80 MPH

A BIT MORE BOTTOM END
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Front: 14 Tooth
Rear: 39 Tooth

Calculated Max Speed: 77-78 MPH

A BIT MORE BOTTON END YET
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Front: 13 Tooth
Rear: 38 Tooth

Calculated Max Speed: 74-76 MPH


MAX BOTTOM END
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Front: 13 Tooth
Rear: 39 Tooth

Calculated Max Speed: 72-73 MPH
 
#6 · (Edited)
On_The_Rocks said:
http://www.trx450r.org/forum/index.php?showtopic=1672


humm copy and paste eh? Should atleast give credit to where to took it from, The rest of the info you put on here is from that site too.
no shit sherlock

Well for your info i support that site and am always sending people over there but the same people i send there from here are always asking the same questions about the topics i copied and pasted up above,its the same info you can get from all the other 450r sites also,so why not put it here for the PBB members

look at the topic ,,tips and tricks for 450r guys,,does it say from my own personal library and knowledge? no so STFU

Oh and so you dont lose any sleep over it i put a link at the top of the page
 
#7 ·
Good you should of put the link to begin with! You did not give any credit where its due. Anyway, a simply link to where you copied the info from would of worked. And Iam sure they would like more traffic over at there site and all you did was keep it here and not even send anyone over. So you stfu yourself.