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Old 09-24-2001, 08:18 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Red face New EPA rules will affect motorcycles....

EPA to tighten emissions standards for
boats, ATVs

Chicago Tribune
Sept. 24, 2001

WASHINGTON - The U.S. Environmental Protection Agency has announced plans to impose
pollution-control restrictions on engines used in powerboats, snowmobiles, off-road vehicles and the
like.

Though the federal government has long applied pollution controls to automobile engines, the non-auto
engines have escaped restrictions until now.

According to the EPA, they account for 13 percent of the hydrocarbon emissions, 6 percent of
carbon-monoxide emissions and 3 percent of the nitrogen-oxide emissions from mobile sources
spewed into the nation's atmosphere.

EPA Administrator Christie Whitman said last week that the restrictions pending under her new plan
would reduce carbon-dioxide emissions from non-auto vehicles by up to 56 percent and hydrocarbon
and nitrous-oxide pollution by as much as 80 percent.

Engine types to be affected by the new rule include:


• Non-road engines used by industry to power heavy machinery. If adopted as proposed, her rule would
impose nationwide limits on these emissions by 2004 that are similar to those adopted by California.


• Recreational diesel marine engines used in yachts and smaller pleasure craft would be subject to the
same strict controls applied to commercial vessels within two years.


• Off-road motorcycles and all-terrain vehicles. The rule would seek to make manufacturers switch from
two-cycle to four-cycle engines, beginning in 2006.


• Snowmobiles would be required to reduce hydrocarbon and carbon-monoxide emissions by
30 percent in 2006 and 50 percent in 2010.

An EPA spokeswoman said imposition of the new rule must await a 60-day public comment period and
public hearings Oct. 24 in Washington, D.C., and Oct. 30 in Denver.

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Old 09-24-2001, 10:16 PM   #2 (permalink)
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It sounds like what is already going in Cali! Two-stroke, what is that?


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<IMG SRC="smilies/pissed.gif" border="0"> <IMG SRC="smilies/flipoff.gif" border="0"> im keepin my two stroke, they better make a damn better thumper before 2006. id hate to have to get another bike <IMG SRC="smilies/frown.gif" border="0">
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<STRONG> <IMG SRC="smilies/pissed.gif" border="0"> <IMG SRC="smilies/flipoff.gif" border="0"> im keepin my two stroke, they better make a damn better thumper before 2006. id hate to have to get another bike <IMG SRC="smilies/frown.gif" border="0"></STRONG>
Uhhhh, they do <IMG SRC="smilies/wink.gif" border="0"> lots of them <IMG SRC="smilies/biggrin.gif" border="0">
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[qb] <IMG SRC="smilies/pissed.gif" border="0"> <IMG SRC="smilies/flipoff.gif" border="0"> im keepin my two stroke, they better make a damn better thumper before 2006. id hate to have to get another bike <IMG SRC="smilies/frown.gif" border="0"></STRONG>
Uhhhh, they do <IMG SRC="smilies/wink.gif" border="0"> lots of them <IMG SRC="smilies/biggrin.gif" border="0">[/QB]
i know but i hate the starting problems and all the other stuff that goes along with it, 2 strokes are simple. doing a top end in a thumper is more complicated. ill probly eventually end up with one <IMG SRC="smilies/biggrin.gif" border="0">
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The 4 stroke top ends don't wear out like they do on them overgrown chainsaw motors.

I have a 1983 4 stroke thats been beat and rode hard it's whole life and it still don't need a top end job.

How about the CRF 450 for all of yuo two stroke die hards. That bike is spanking the likes of you guys right now.
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<STRONG>EPA to tighten emissions standards for
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• Off-road motorcycles and all-terrain vehicles. The rule would seek to make manufacturers switch from
two-cycle to four-cycle engines, beginning in 2006.

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SUX,SUX,SUX I'm sure they will grandfather our two strokes we already own......I hope!!! <IMG SRC="smilies/mad.gif" border="0">
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<STRONG>The 4 stroke top ends don't wear out like they do on them overgrown chainsaw motors.

I have a 1983 4 stroke thats been beat and rode hard it's whole life and it still don't need a top end job.

How about the CRF 450 for all of yuo two stroke die hards. That bike is spanking the likes of you guys right now.</STRONG>
you got that right. My stock 426F spanks 2 strokes that are piped and jetted. I saw that 450F, looks pretty tough, i probably couldn't hang with mine stock. though i do have some money for a pipe i'm thinking of getting. It'll take some time, but the thumpers are getting better, they aren't that hard to start. But i been ridin them a while.
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Have any of you seen a picture of the CRF450 piston??? OMG it has NO skirt!! I want to see that thing last!!

About 4-strokes lasting longer than 2-strokes, its all a matter of how much power it puts out, Like a stock VW motor compaired to a hi comp one...... SO its all realitive <IMG SRC="smilies/biggrin.gif" border="0">
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EPA <IMG SRC="smilies/flipoff.gif" border="0"> <IMG SRC="smilies/flipoff.gif" border="0"> <IMG SRC="smilies/flipoff.gif" border="0"> And the whole they better make better thumpers,well personally i think the YZ426F was well made and should be a kick ass bike.
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Old 10-03-2001, 07:16 PM   #12 (permalink)
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Your 426 beats 250's wow thats cool.
Just giving you sum shat <IMG SRC="smilies/thefinger.gif" border="0">
The new 400 and 520 KTM's are clai grean sticker legal this year so that is way cool and I would bet the 450 will get its emissions down enough to be legal here soon too.
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Even worse, from what I've heard.. the new 450f WILL NOT pass the sound test.. and that the rangers will be carring the db tester and looking for "them loud 4-stroke's"

lets at least hope the rummors about a more off-road frendly CR450 with lights and electric starter are true, cause them greenies <IMG SRC="smilies/pissed.gif" border="0"> hate mountain bikes also
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I never said 426 beats 250's. <IMG SRC="smilies/flipoff.gif" border="0"> I said the 426 was akick ass bike a thumper. <IMG SRC="smilies/flipoff.gif" border="0"> <IMG SRC="smilies/flipoff.gif" border="0"> Dont make up some <IMG SRC="smilies/rainbow.gif" border="0"> comment.
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[qb]I never said 426 beats 250's. <IMG SRC="smilies/flipoff.gif" border="0"> I said the 426 was akick ass bike a thumper. <IMG SRC="smilies/flipoff.gif" border="0"> <IMG SRC="smilies/flipoff.gif" border="0"> Dont make up some <IMG SRC="smilies/rainbow.gif" border="0"> comment.</STRONG>
Fawk you! I wasn't even talking about your post Bitch so stick it up your 4 stroke as$. As noted in my post I was just giving the guy a little crap not starting some unlike you. I for one have plans of getting one soon and don't have anything against them. So who's the <IMG SRC="smilies/rainbow.gif" border="0"> now. So just take your little 23 post <IMG SRC="smilies/rainbow.gif" border="0">ass back to the Chat Board where you came from <IMG SRC="smilies/flipoff.gif" border="0">

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wow, sorry sounded like you were bashing them, i read the posts in a hurry. But the <IMG SRC="smilies/rainbow.gif" border="0"> comeback i have ever heard was the whole 23 post thing. <IMG SRC="smilies/rainbow.gif" border="0"> <IMG SRC="smilies/rainbow.gif" border="0"> <IMG SRC="smilies/rainbow.gif" border="0"> <IMG SRC="smilies/rainbow.gif" border="0"> <IMG SRC="smilies/flipoff.gif" border="0">
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No problem. This board is sometimes talking about serious stuff but most of the time we are all just jacking around.
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Dean, instead of roastin their ass on here invite them to go riding and roast em on the trail
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Roast me on the Trail wtf? umm no thats ok i presonally dont go riding with people i dont know. <IMG SRC="smilies/flipoff.gif" border="0"> Second before i go and spend money on riding i am going to drop $5000 in my truck before i put a penny towards riding.
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[QUOTE]Originally posted by Kyron:
[QB]Have any of you seen a picture of the CRF450 piston??? OMG it has NO skirt!! I want to see that thing last!!

No shit! I was looking at that in a new magazine today.It's amazing it doesn't cock sideways in the cyl.Only time will tell if it is reliable.
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Hey Smurf did you ride are event this weekend down in San Jose. We had some 400 people show to do the race it was unreal.
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no riding this weekend, my best freinds wifes 40th bday party was sat night complete with band, catered prime rib, chicken, open bar, etc.
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