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slug · 07-20-2002, 05:08 PM

Does anyone have any input on the new Santa Cruz Heckler?
I know it's freeride/x-country. How does it compare to the Santa Cruz Superlight? Santa Cruz's website doesn't have any of the specs for the Heckler yet. How much more does the Heckler frame weigh than the superlight frame? Anyone ridden the Heckler/Superlight? Would the Heckler hold up to drops and jumps better than the Superlight?
thanks in advance......

Kyron · 07-21-2002, 11:14 AM

It's all in the name...

What part of the name SUPERLITE would make you think it would hold up to big drops BETTER than the Heckler?

I belive the superlite isnt for riders that weigh over 180? .... hows that for another *hint*

DM · 07-21-2002, 01:43 PM

The Superlight was just a Heckler that they took and squeezed out every ounce that they could to get to a target weight. As far as suspension design and frame geometry, they are the same bike unless something has changed recently. Have you ridden either bike? The most important thing I can say is ride everything you can get your hands on. The Heckler has a different ride, personaly I don't like it, even though I think Santa Cruz makes awesome, well designed bikes. Just go with what feels right.

Oh, if you are going to be doing big jumps and drops, don't buy anything that has "light" in the name.

DM · 07-22-2002, 09:27 AM

Oh. and one other thing, if you have ridden the Heckler and know you like the ride of the single pivot/pivot placement of that frame, then you might want to check out the Titus Locomoto and the Ventana Pantera. Both of these are high end bikes that are as good as anything out there. Similar design, actually there are others too...Ahhh the choices...Just food for thought.

slug · 07-22-2002, 12:59 PM

I haven't rode a heckler, but I rode a superlight briefly. My friend is sponsored by santa cruz for road bikes so he can get me one for 1/3 of retail, for frames at least. I just recently bought a 2002 enduro and added xtr f&r derailluers, azonic bars, thompson stem and a new seat. Planning on selling the enduro to pay for the Heckler..............interested?

mjs408 · 07-30-2002, 02:10 PM

You might wanna try a giant AC, it may not be a small company like santa cruz, but i bought an AC frame set and put what i wanted on it, and i couldnt be happier

Pathmaker · 08-04-2002, 01:56 AM

Those Giant ACs are sweet. I would get one if I could afford anything but my truck right now. As far as freeride bikes go, I'd say the Intense Uzzi SLX and Giant AC1 are at the top of my list.

cruiserbrett · 08-09-2002, 08:48 AM

I agree with Pathmaker on the Intense Uzzi SLX... I am going to updgrade to the SLX from the SL here soon... A titus Locomoto is not a freeride big hit bike... the frame weighs only 5 lbs, not nearly beefy enough for big hits freeride, Id say its more like a cross-country bike that can handle mild down hill blasts...Its just not designed for big hit/freeriding...

Look more in the direction of the Bullit if you want a Santa Cruz for freeride/big hit...

Sirachi · 08-10-2002, 10:45 AM

My friends went down to Santa Cruz last week, for a warrantied swingarm that was broken on a Super8. I heard that they were very nice guys, good support, and that the heckler is very stiff - even compared to his bullit, which I think is a 01 or 00.

The bullit is a pretty sick frame though, the 02's look nice!

07-20-2002, 05:08 PM	#1 (permalink)
slug Registered User Join Date: Jan 2002 Member # 9647 Location: (408)south bay area,CA Posts: 678	what bike? Does anyone have any input on the new Santa Cruz Heckler? I know it's freeride/x-country. How does it compare to the Santa Cruz Superlight? Santa Cruz's website doesn't have any of the specs for the Heckler yet. How much more does the Heckler frame weigh than the superlight frame? Anyone ridden the Heckler/Superlight? Would the Heckler hold up to drops and jumps better than the Superlight? thanks in advance......

07-21-2002, 11:14 AM	#2 (permalink)
Kyron Registered User Join Date: Aug 2000 Member # 1418 Location: Not Cal Az Posts: 3,858	It's all in the name... What part of the name SUPERLITE would make you think it would hold up to big drops BETTER than the Heckler? I belive the superlite isnt for riders that weigh over 180? .... hows that for another hint __________________ Arizona Trail Riders ....... BRRRaaaAAAPPPPPPP

07-21-2002, 01:43 PM	#3 (permalink)
DM Registered User Join Date: Nov 2001 Member # 8021 Location: Boise ID Posts: 673	The Superlight was just a Heckler that they took and squeezed out every ounce that they could to get to a target weight. As far as suspension design and frame geometry, they are the same bike unless something has changed recently. Have you ridden either bike? The most important thing I can say is ride everything you can get your hands on. The Heckler has a different ride, personaly I don't like it, even though I think Santa Cruz makes awesome, well designed bikes. Just go with what feels right. Oh, if you are going to be doing big jumps and drops, don't buy anything that has "light" in the name. __________________ SIC -Southern Idaho Crawlers Last edited by DM; 07-21-2002 at 01:46 PM.

07-22-2002, 09:27 AM	#4 (permalink)
DM Registered User Join Date: Nov 2001 Member # 8021 Location: Boise ID Posts: 673	Oh. and one other thing, if you have ridden the Heckler and know you like the ride of the single pivot/pivot placement of that frame, then you might want to check out the Titus Locomoto and the Ventana Pantera. Both of these are high end bikes that are as good as anything out there. Similar design, actually there are others too...Ahhh the choices...Just food for thought. __________________ SIC -Southern Idaho Crawlers

07-22-2002, 12:59 PM	#5 (permalink)
slug Registered User Join Date: Jan 2002 Member # 9647 Location: (408)south bay area,CA Posts: 678	I haven't rode a heckler, but I rode a superlight briefly. My friend is sponsored by santa cruz for road bikes so he can get me one for 1/3 of retail, for frames at least. I just recently bought a 2002 enduro and added xtr f&r derailluers, azonic bars, thompson stem and a new seat. Planning on selling the enduro to pay for the Heckler..............interested? Last edited by slug; 07-23-2002 at 01:19 AM.

07-30-2002, 02:10 PM	#6 (permalink)
mjs408 Rock God Join Date: Aug 2001 Member # 6764 Location: M.C. IA Posts: 1,102	You might wanna try a giant AC, it may not be a small company like santa cruz, but i bought an AC frame set and put what i wanted on it, and i couldnt be happier

08-04-2002, 01:56 AM	#7 (permalink)
Pathmaker Registered User Join Date: Jun 2002 Member # 12482 Location: Reno, NV Posts: 179	Those Giant ACs are sweet. I would get one if I could afford anything but my truck right now. As far as freeride bikes go, I'd say the Intense Uzzi SLX and Giant AC1 are at the top of my list.

08-09-2002, 08:48 AM	#8 (permalink)
cruiserbrett Registered User Join Date: Sep 2001 Member # 6863 Location: San Diego Posts: 2,797	I agree with Pathmaker on the Intense Uzzi SLX... I am going to updgrade to the SLX from the SL here soon... A titus Locomoto is not a freeride big hit bike... the frame weighs only 5 lbs, not nearly beefy enough for big hits freeride, Id say its more like a cross-country bike that can handle mild down hill blasts...Its just not designed for big hit/freeriding... Look more in the direction of the Bullit if you want a Santa Cruz for freeride/big hit... __________________ I have enough projects for the next decade. Need two?

08-10-2002, 10:45 AM	#9 (permalink)
Sirachi Registered User Join Date: Apr 2001 Member # 4342 Location: South Bay Area, CA Posts: 421	My friends went down to Santa Cruz last week, for a warrantied swingarm that was broken on a Super8. I heard that they were very nice guys, good support, and that the heckler is very stiff - even compared to his bullit, which I think is a 01 or 00. The bullit is a pretty sick frame though, the 02's look nice! __________________ www.msdhw.com

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