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Old 01-07-2009, 01:53 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Real mud tech question

I figure WTF. I'll go...
Auto vs Manual?
I'm not talking big HP mud drag rig, but low buck, run whatcha brung bogger. No big $$$ powerglides, high stall set ups, just cheap, available drivetrains.
So if you were putting a rig together, say a fullsize on 36" to 38" rubber, what would you run?
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Old 01-07-2009, 01:59 PM   #2 (permalink)
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shift or no shift

Just depends on what yer' used to. Lots of guys love the juice trannys cuz you dont have to get out of the throttle to shift. My Big B' has 4 spd & I go pretty much wherever I want on 42's & 4.56 w/429 on locked up tons.
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Old 01-07-2009, 02:00 PM   #3 (permalink)
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For a stock class or play truck, you can get away with a manual in deep mud. You'll get killed on any kind of mud "drag" event though unless the track is REAL short.
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I agree with the manual, but I really like the auto in my F-350 because the 460 just has the bottomend to spin them all day long.


I also think that certian people shouldnt have a stick because of the damage that they do to their rigs when they get stuck. I have seen more drive shafts and axles go due to the "reverse dump clutch, grind first dump clutch, reverse dump clutch and so on" with out ever lifting the skinny pedal. Its not the trucks fault I know but a standard is right for some people and not others.


But on the flipside, Having a manual is good if you kill your starter because you can drag it in gear to roll start it. Any thing is better than being towed out of the woods.
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My thoughts on it are that you want all the wheel speed you can get & keep that momentum...I think no matter how fast you can push in that clutch & shift your loosing that much wheelspeed..Its like shifting into nutral...

This is just my opinion...
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Old 01-07-2009, 07:02 PM   #6 (permalink)
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Manual, it will still work when the muddy water gets in it, the auto won't.
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Old 01-07-2009, 07:19 PM   #7 (permalink)
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deff a manual for the gearing
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I have owned 2 automatics in the last 12 years, neither one was registered, or even driven by me... I've always driven stick, learned to drive on a manual,was driving for 5 years before I touched an automatic. For a highway vehicle, I refuse to have it any other way.
For my wheeling pig, I think I may be switching over to an auto, I have no issues shifting it in the pit(don't even bother with the clutch) BUT, my 2 big issues are A) I haven't found a clutch that will handle a dump at more than 1500 rpm without spending a fortune, and B) I somehow always manage to end up packing a pressure plate full of mud at least once a season... I have clutch R&R down to 4 hours in the field with no jacks and hand tools now though....
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since my auto got hot and burnt my first truck to the ground i will only drive sticks
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for just cheap run what ya brung stock class definitly an auto.
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Auto always works best in the mud that I've seen. Manuals have there place but deep mud/water will just burn up the clutch and the loss of momentum hurts when shifting. Of course you need the proper cooling for an auto not to have there own problems.
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Autos are great if you can keep them water tight and run the vent to the top of the cab as high as you can get it. The stick has no vent but the clutch plates can get packed in thick bog and then the clutch will slip unill it burns out all the goo.

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my bellhousing is fully sealed to keep the mud and sticks out
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I prefer an auto, if you start to loose wheel speed you can down shift, unless you are already in first gear
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We mostley run all 4speeds down hear usauly just hit in the gear you know your truck can handel.
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My thoughts on it are that you want all the wheel speed you can get & keep that momentum...I think no matter how fast you can push in that clutch & shift your loosing that much wheelspeed..Its like shifting into nutral...

This is just my opinion...
Yeah, there's no shifting with a stick. You pick a gear & live with it. I ran a manual for years & as long as the track was VERY deep and/or really short, it was "okay". I'm much happier with an auto though.

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Yeah, there's no shifting with a stick. You pick a gear & live with it. I ran a manual for years & as long as the track was VERY deep and/or really short, it was "okay". I'm much happier with an auto though.

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I see your point. I'm just not sure if for fun bogs, where who wins doesn't really matter, or isn't even counted, is the mechanical complexity (cooling, water, etc) and power loss of the torque converter, worth it?
I've gotten pretty good at picking gears for a particular run, and can bang the 3-2 shift without losing all momentum. Not to mention, with a stock 360, I don't have much power to spare.
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i'm on the auto side here. been into to many situation when the stick just got me nowhere...
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Personal preference is for a manual, for many solid reasons. However, if you are into racing than an auto is the way to go.
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You don't see hardly any manuals at all in actual mud racing. Bogging you see the most, but a LOT of the actual racers are running a 'glide. That's what I run.
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I have run manual and then auto in my blazer. I would not go back to manual. As soon as you touch the clutch your wheels stop in deep mud.
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auto w/ maunal valve body but auto for sure, no matter how fast you shift you cant keep the tires spinning, and if you had to go back a gear after you shifted youd be done
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Another vote for the auto. 4 Low in 1st gear for the deep bogs. There is always more if you need it.
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Old 01-09-2009, 07:42 AM   #24 (permalink)
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you should make this into a pole= manual or auto.

i vote auto.
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Old 01-09-2009, 08:06 AM   #25 (permalink)
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4 low and third gear. Dump the clutch...

...thats how I roll...

Edit: and I don't shift either...
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