We love mud !!!!!!

[TLittle]

Originally Posted by Train Horn

running 538 gears
i will admit im not really happy with loosing my locker , if it doesnt make much difference im NOT gonna be happy , but the guys swear by it !!
we shall see , when my ankle is better & im able to hammmer down then i will no for sure ! stay tuned

im running abut 500hp right now , its pretty peepy

KEEP THE LOCKER! That thing is light so with 500hp it should be flying? BUT 538 on 39.5? Speed is about tire speed, take those out and run some 373 or 410? If you have the motor thats all it takes, as long as you have the tq and hp it works. I run 44 boggers with 456's and can hold 2nd at 6500. Although I am running a 700hp/700ftlbs 582. My truck also wieghs in at 7800 lbs! When you run that 538's you are running out of gear to fast.
I would bet you $100 if you have a good motor like you say that if you swapped some gears you would gain speed and in turn run a quicker time.
By the way those pits look short? How long are they?

[Train Horn]

thanks for you input !! we always like possitive input

makes sence ......but we are gonna stick with the 538 for now
if this doesnt work out the truck will be done totally different in the VERY near future !!
we will change the gears & 4 link it also

we run at a few tracks ........they range from 80ft to 250

[Train Horn]

one more thing ....its not as much gaining speed ...as it is not going straight
the truck has had a few near flips !!!!!!!!!

[TLittle]

Some of your problems are right here. Work out the steering instead of the locker! I bet it steers real good one way and not the other right? Looks like the shittttttttty old chevy steering on it right? Of course having those blocks in there not doing any good either! And it is pretty short wheelbase too. Believe me instead of loosing the money on the locker? You said you paid $400 and would sell for $200. Just work out that steering and then find someone that thinks they need 538's and get you some 410's or 373's hell you can prolly find some of those for free! since everyone thinks they need real deep gear sets.

[TLittle]

Shit the phone rang and I forgot this pic!

[hilbillypulling]

Originally Posted by TLittle

BUT 538 on 39.5? Speed is about tire speed, take those out and run some 373 or 410? If you have the motor thats all it takes, as long as you have the tq and hp it works.

I disagree with this. The lower your gears are the less stress you have on the axle shafts (I would run even lower gears 6.17 or 6.37). To get wheel speed change the t-case gearing or tranny. If you can't afford a SCS or ProFab case, look at the 3 speed kit (that's if you running a toploader).
2-cents

[Train Horn]

Originally Posted by TLittle

Some of your problems are right here. Work out the steering instead of the locker! I bet it steers real good one way and not the other right? Looks like the shittttttttty old chevy steering on it right? Of course having those blocks in there not doing any good either! And it is pretty short wheelbase too. Believe me instead of loosing the money on the locker? You said you paid $400 and would sell for $200. Just work out that steering and then find someone that thinks they need 538's and get you some 410's or 373's hell you can prolly find some of those for free! since everyone thinks they need real deep gear sets.

the blocks have been removed .....my old motor ( stock 350 ) i had headers coming out wheel wells and they rubbed my brand new 39.5's so that was a quick fix to get me to a event !! they r now gone !! and still hasnt made a lick of difference ...ahhhhh it piss's me off

thank you very much for the tips !!
also .........we run a 205 tranfer case and its 2-1 gear ratio
we get to second gear at 6300 rpms with the 538's
we took the locker out hoping to have less breakage & easier to steer
we run a spool in the rear so it will still be good , we may be able to hang 3rd without the locker now . its all a TEST & TUNE !!!!

if it breaks we already have a dana 60 for the front & a dana 70 for the rear !!

[Train Horn]

Originally Posted by hilbillypulling

I disagree with this. The lower your gears are the less stress you have on the axle shafts (I would run even lower gears 6.17 or 6.37). To get wheel speed change the t-case gearing or tranny. If you can't afford a SCS or ProFab case, look at the 3 speed kit (that's if you running a toploader).
2-cents

thank you for the feed back !!!
money isnt a issue , its tryin to make due with what we have
we have 2 other more immportant trucks to sink money into .......lol
my truck is more of the play truck ........but now im gonna focus on consistancy races & break out class's to get more into the game !!
and represent for the girls !!

[hilbillypulling]

I'm also not a big fan of spools. Let me change that, cheep spools. Deflection is a major problem with these. I think Eaton had a deflection bolt that worked to fix this problem, but corp 14FF & 70's don't have this option. The detroit is great but I think Randy's or Driveline has a open carrier spider gear replacement that works better than any spool

[hilbillypulling]

Originally Posted by Train Horn

thank you for the feed back !!!
money isnt a issue , its tryin to make due with what we have
we have 2 other more immportant trucks to sink money into .......lol
my truck is more of the play truck ........but now im gonna focus on consistancy races & break out class's to get more into the game !!
and represent for the girls !!

Yea, i get having having fun (it got me band from here a few times) but who likes working insted of playing? If money ain't the issue and consistancy is the goal.........buy a few parts and have a HELL of a time

Edit: Overdraft on Chucks

[Train Horn]

Originally Posted by hilbillypulling

I'm also not a big fan of spools. Let me change that, cheep spools. Deflection is a major problem with these. I think Eaton had a deflection bolt that worked to fix this problem, but corp 14FF & 70's don't have this option. The detroit is great but I think Randy's or Driveline has a open carrier spider gear replacement that works better than any spool

we run a detroit in the dodge , it had a auburn but they sucked !!

[TLittle]

Originally Posted by Train Horn

the blocks have been removed .....my old motor ( stock 350 ) i had headers coming out wheel wells and they rubbed my brand new 39.5's so that was a quick fix to get me to a event !! they r now gone !! and still hasnt made a lick of difference ...ahhhhh it piss's me off

thank you very much for the tips !!
also .........we run a 205 tranfer case and its 2-1 gear ratio
we get to second gear at 6300 rpms with the 538's
we took the locker out hoping to have less breakage & easier to steer
we run a spool in the rear so it will still be good , we may be able to hang 3rd without the locker now . its all a TEST & TUNE !!!!

if it breaks we already have a dana 60 for the front & a dana 70 for the rear !!

Glad the blocks are out! Got the only case worth a damn! I run a 205 also. Although for bogging some will run a 208 for a wieght savings? Of course you can hold 6300 you have 538' with 39.5's.
But that steering link pointing down to the ground is you handling problem, or lots of it. Work on that, maybe build some crossover with a hydro asst.? Keep up the good post!

Originally Posted by hilbillypulling

I disagree with this. The lower your gears are the less stress you have on the axle shafts (I would run even lower gears 6.17 or 6.37). To get wheel speed change the t-case gearing or tranny. If you can't afford a SCS or ProFab case, look at the 3 speed kit (that's if you running a toploader).
2-cents

So that is your choice? But the lower gear get a weaker pinion! Also you must use the common sense rule here. If you run a 538 or 617/637 as you say how fast will it run down the road?
45mph? Run a higher gear and you can go faster right? of course you can that is as long as you got motor to turn it. So if you can go faster then that means more tire speed right? I will put my 44's with 456's and my 582 up against your combo all day!

[hilbillypulling]

Originally Posted by TLittle

So that is your choice? But the lower gear get a weaker pinion!

At 6.17 and lower the pinion is not an issue. That's why I suggested running a lower gear

Originally Posted by TLittle

Also you must use the common sense rule here. If you run a 538 or 617/637 as you say how fast will it run down the road?
45mph?

Common sense would be to remember that her truck is perpose built for mud, not running down the road at 45mph

Originally Posted by TLittle

I will put my 44's with 456's and my 582 up against your combo all day!

Ok, I'll webwheel first with my little alky inj. 463, th400 in 3rd & 31" tires:

tranny 1.1 x case 1.25 x axle 6.17 = 8.483
RPM 8,500 / final 8.483 = 1002.00
1002.00 x 95 tire dia = 95190in.
95190 x 60 min/hr = 5711400in.
5711400in / 12 in.per ft. = 475950ft
475950 / 5280 ft per mile = 90.14 mph

[TEX]

Originally Posted by hilbillypulling

I disagree with this. The lower your gears are the less stress you have on the axle shafts (I would run even lower gears 6.17 or 6.37). To get wheel speed change the t-case gearing or tranny. If you can't afford a SCS or ProFab case, look at the 3 speed kit (that's if you running a toploader).
2-cents

The SCS & ProFab are illegal in some of our lower & mid-level classes. Just another thing to consider.

[skipped_Link]

Originally Posted by hilbillypulling

I disagree with this. The lower your gears are the less stress you have on the axle shafts (I would run even lower gears 6.17 or 6.37). To get wheel speed change the t-case gearing or tranny. If you can't afford a SCS or ProFab case, look at the 3 speed kit (that's if you running a toploader).
2-cents

Lower gears are not going to help your axle shafts, as they are after the reduction, it may help with drive line u-joints, t-case out puts, ect,

But even that is only theory, & theory that I think could be proven wrong in some cases, if you have the power get your wheel speed up, 39.5 boggers I would shoot for 4.88:1 or 5.13:1,

I was running 5.13:1 with 44" tires, but I had plenty of power to work with.

[hilbillypulling]

Originally Posted by skipped_Link

Lower gears are not going to help your axle shafts, as they are after the reduction, it may help with drive line u-joints, t-case out puts, ect,

You are 100% correct with this statement, I was wrong. I had it backward.

Originally Posted by skipped_Link

But even that is only theory, & theory that I think could be proven wrong in some cases, if you have the power get your wheel speed up, 39.5 boggers I would shoot for 4.88:1 or 5.13:1, I was running 5.13:1 with 44" tires, but I had plenty of power to work with.

This theory has been proven time and time again in truck pulling. There is something about the 5.13 to 5.88 ratio that causes driveline failure. Outputs, joints and mostly pinions with 5.88's, it don't matter if its up front or out back.
2-cents

[skipped_Link]

Originally Posted by hilbillypulling

mostly pinions with 5.88's, it don't matter if its up front or out back.
2-cents

The pinion is getting pretty small with a 5.88 gear, could be part of the problem,

When hooked to a sled, & getting a good bite to the track it don't matter if its, 4.10 or 5.88, in a sense you are stopping the tires & inputting the same load to the D-lines & D-line u-joints, even though the lower gears makes it easier to spin the tires, if they are hooked good & not spinning then everything would see the same X number of ft lb of torque that the engine is putting out,

Mud racing, ( & even drag racing the 1/4 mile) is similar but mostly at the starting line with the launch.

It is hard for me to wrap my mind around this, & even harder to explain it.

[hilbillypulling]

The 5.8++ pinion on the R/W 103 rears break, but when changeing to the 6.17 pinion on the 106 the problem (almost) goes away. The gears heads are very close, but the shanks are very different. I don't know the differance between pinion size for the Dana 60 or 70.
After spelling out finals, engine rpm and wheel speed, my skull can't wrap around my brain.

[Train Horn]

Trucks gone wild held a awsome event today at bithlo motor sports in bithlo fla

the first Tri truck challenge of 2009

23 awsome teams signed up , and a car crushing event

Our truck PITBULL , ( team mates ) CRAZY BITCH & WIPE OPEN

Placed 2nd for the 321 !!!!!!!

it was a great day ........im hoping to get some photos up soon , waiting for my photographer ..to chime in

[Train Horn]

some pictures of me & my truck this weekend


It was deep

some of my carnage

[Train Horn]

Trucks gone wild " Spank the monkey race " 2 monkeys on poles one at one end of track one at other end , spank and go
Pit bull running his SBC & his FOA's

Team mate " The grouch " running his BBC

Me " THE PUP " SBC ......wasnt running up to par & something electrical going on

[TEX]

Originally Posted by Train Horn

Trucks gone wild " Spank the monkey race "

[Proeliator]

What are the motor specs on stucco money?

[slightdrift]

i like the pup, but wtf is up with the tc crossmember? that shit looks like a blind retard fabbed it up.

[Proeliator]

Originally Posted by slightdrift

i like the pup, but wtf is up with the tc crossmember? that shit looks like a blind retard fabbed it up.

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