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pennsylvaniaboy · 04-08-2009, 08:23 PM

hey guys thought this would fit better in the mud forum.

So for my trail truck etc im planning on putting a rear mount winch for major stuck recoveries, and who knows occasional log skidding. I have a chelsea pto and a hydro pump.

My question is would you rather have a pto winch or a hydro winch(driven by pto pump)?

My current thoughts are pto(i have all the parts)

hydro would force me to get a control valve, tank etc

Dodgeboy · 04-08-2009, 10:04 PM

If the pto is what you have and it will work go for it. I use what i have on hand.

wvmudder1 · 04-09-2009, 12:17 AM

My buddies and I use the 5ton garwood winches from the front of the 6X6s and they work great. At idle they either pull out whats stuck or start ripping shit in half.

In Akron OH there is a company called Adelmans Truck Parts, they are a wrecking yard for big trucks. We bought ours there for $295 a peice and they came filled full of good cable. That was a year or so ago. Any place that has rockwell axles or 6X6s should have some.

It really depends on your mounting situation. Its a lot easier to run hydraulic hoses than a straight drive shaft. But on the other hand, you'll have to mount a hydraulic tank somewhere under the body.

As far as cost goes, I had more in my pto shaft than I did my winch. 2 ujoints, 3 yokes, 1 slip yoke, 1 or 2 carrier bearings and shaft cost a little more than $375. I'm not sure what you'll have in a tank, controller, fittings and line. Hope this helps, Dave.

pennsylvaniaboy · 04-09-2009, 06:13 AM

wvmudder,

i have heard of adelmans....but thats a good point on the shafts...

Diesel_Dirk · 04-09-2009, 07:03 AM

PTO would be easiest and most cost effective it seems.
But it limits you to only one winch, rear in your case.
Hydro would allow you run a winch front & rear. Also you dont have to rely on the clutch for engaging/disengaging the winch and you are limited to engine speed (iin most cases) to regulate winch speed. Hydraulics would allow you independant speed controll of the winch. You are also able to feather the winch to allow for fine controll of line speed, inching it in and out.
But a tank, spool, hydro motor and hoses are not cheap, ad an easy $1000 to your build. I run hydro front & rear and figure I'll be $4000 into it.
Cost and ease of maintenance the PTO setup wins.
For versatility, controll and possibly speed the hydro takes it.

I feel that both are in most situations superior to electrics.

LegendKiller89 · 04-10-2009, 10:00 AM

If you have all the parts and everything you need for the pto setup then rock it.
No use in spending more money when you already have a nice setup.

pennsylvaniaboy · 04-13-2009, 03:43 PM

i have a winch but its only one gear. so depending on which way the pto spins...means either in or out. the pto i have is alos one way its either engaged or its not.....what i havent detirmined is whether it will mount on my sm465 or my 205....any insight? it has helical cut gears...

04-08-2009, 08:23 PM	#1 (permalink)
pennsylvaniaboy Fullsize wheeler Join Date: Dec 2006 Member # 83301 Location: everett, pa Posts: 2,475	Which winches hey guys thought this would fit better in the mud forum. So for my trail truck etc im planning on putting a rear mount winch for major stuck recoveries, and who knows occasional log skidding. I have a chelsea pto and a hydro pump. My question is would you rather have a pto winch or a hydro winch(driven by pto pump)? My current thoughts are pto(i have all the parts) hydro would force me to get a control valve, tank etc

04-09-2009, 12:17 AM	#3 (permalink)
wvmudder1 Registered User Join Date: Jan 2006 Member # 65941 Location: WV Posts: 52	My buddies and I use the 5ton garwood winches from the front of the 6X6s and they work great. At idle they either pull out whats stuck or start ripping shit in half. In Akron OH there is a company called Adelmans Truck Parts, they are a wrecking yard for big trucks. We bought ours there for $295 a peice and they came filled full of good cable. That was a year or so ago. Any place that has rockwell axles or 6X6s should have some. It really depends on your mounting situation. Its a lot easier to run hydraulic hoses than a straight drive shaft. But on the other hand, you'll have to mount a hydraulic tank somewhere under the body. As far as cost goes, I had more in my pto shaft than I did my winch. 2 ujoints, 3 yokes, 1 slip yoke, 1 or 2 carrier bearings and shaft cost a little more than $375. I'm not sure what you'll have in a tank, controller, fittings and line. Hope this helps, Dave. Last edited by wvmudder1; 04-09-2009 at 12:18 AM.

04-09-2009, 07:03 AM	#5 (permalink)
Diesel_Dirk Registered User Join Date: Jan 2008 Member # 106806 Location: Ft. McMurray, AB Posts: 289	PTO would be easiest and most cost effective it seems. But it limits you to only one winch, rear in your case. Hydro would allow you run a winch front & rear. Also you dont have to rely on the clutch for engaging/disengaging the winch and you are limited to engine speed (iin most cases) to regulate winch speed. Hydraulics would allow you independant speed controll of the winch. You are also able to feather the winch to allow for fine controll of line speed, inching it in and out. But a tank, spool, hydro motor and hoses are not cheap, ad an easy $1000 to your build. I run hydro front & rear and figure I'll be $4000 into it. Cost and ease of maintenance the PTO setup wins. For versatility, controll and possibly speed the hydro takes it. I feel that both are in most situations superior to electrics. __________________ my build: [url]http://ovo.ca/forums/showthread.php?t=867[/url]

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04-08-2009, 10:04 PM	#2 (permalink)
Dodgeboy Registered User Join Date: Aug 2006 Member # 77635 Posts: 123	If the pto is what you have and it will work go for it. I use what i have on hand.

04-09-2009, 06:13 AM	#4 (permalink)
pennsylvaniaboy Fullsize wheeler Join Date: Dec 2006 Member # 83301 Location: everett, pa Posts: 2,475	wvmudder, i have heard of adelmans....but thats a good point on the shafts...

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LegendKiller89 Registered User Join Date: Jan 2009 Member # 128238 Posts: 771	If you have all the parts and everything you need for the pto setup then rock it. No use in spending more money when you already have a nice setup.

04-13-2009, 03:43 PM	#7 (permalink)
pennsylvaniaboy Fullsize wheeler Join Date: Dec 2006 Member # 83301 Location: everett, pa Posts: 2,475	i have a winch but its only one gear. so depending on which way the pto spins...means either in or out. the pto i have is alos one way its either engaged or its not.....what i havent detirmined is whether it will mount on my sm465 or my 205....any insight? it has helical cut gears...