Older tire question

[azcagiva]

Like an idiot I bought some tires without checking the date on them. Turns out they were made in 99. They were stored inside the last ten years but are pretty old. I wanted to use them on my chase truck for baja but now am reconsidering. So am I being a pussy? Should I just run em or sell them to someone for use on a trail rig.

-John

[406 YJ]

Run them. The Government stores tires for 10 years. When they pull them out they are fresh. Take your palm. Put all your weight on the sidewall and look for any cracking. I know a guy that wheeled tsl's that were VERY old with great luck.

[theHay-MAN]

Lance Armstrong uses tires that are stored for years in order to allow the oils to escape the carcass for better grip. and the guys at Schwab say that tires don't expire. I've had very VERY old tires mounted and remounted with much success.

[HAPPYJOHN]

Originally Posted by theHay-MAN

Lance Armstrong uses tires that are stored for years in order to allow the oils to escape the carcass for better grip. and the guys at Schwab say that tires don't expire. I've had very VERY old tires mounted and remounted with much success.

Really? Call one, tell them that you have ten-year-old tires that you bought from them that have gone bad, and ask for warranty assistance.

report your results.

To the best of my knowledge, NO manufacturer will warranty a tire over six years old, unless you have a receipt that shows you bought them less than six years ago.

From a Bridgestone/Firestone Technical Bulletin;

Tire Inspection Guidelines
Bridgestone Firestone North American Tire, LLC –NA Consumer Tire Sales GroupBridgestone Technical Hotline 1-800-847-3272 Firestone Technical Hotline 1-800-356-4644JATMA (Japan Automotive Tyre Manufacturers Association) has announced a new recommendation for passenger and light truck tires that havebeen in use for more than five (5) years.

They recommend that, in addition to regular tire inspections, customers have their tires inspected by a qualifiedtire service person after five (5) years of use to determine if the tires can continue in service. It is recommended that spare tires be inspected at the same time.

Further, even when tires appear to be usable from their external appearance or the tread depth may have not reached the minimum wear out depth, it is recommended that all tires (including spare tires) that were manufactured more than ten (10) years previous be replaced with new tires.

Bridgestone Firestone North American Tire, LLC

[LOGANSTANFORTH]

I have ran 30 year old tires, they wouldn't bother me...

[azcagiva]

Thanks for the replies. I am gonna run them. I will just keep the highway speeds down. Will report results, if not then I probably died in a fiery crash.

-John

[theHay-MAN]

Originally Posted by HAPPYJOHN

Really? Call one, tell them that you have ten-year-old tires that you bought from them that have gone bad, and ask for warranty assistance.

report your results.

To the best of my knowledge, NO manufacturer will warranty a tire over six years old, unless you have a receipt that shows you bought them less than six years ago.

From a Bridgestone/Firestone Technical Bulletin;

Tire Inspection Guidelines
Bridgestone Firestone North American Tire, LLC –NA Consumer Tire Sales GroupBridgestone Technical Hotline 1-800-847-3272 Firestone Technical Hotline 1-800-356-4644JATMA (Japan Automotive Tyre Manufacturers Association) has announced a new recommendation for passenger and light truck tires that havebeen in use for more than five (5) years.

They recommend that, in addition to regular tire inspections, customers have their tires inspected by a qualifiedtire service person after five (5) years of use to determine if the tires can continue in service. It is recommended that spare tires be inspected at the same time.

Further, even when tires appear to be usable from their external appearance or the tread depth may have not reached the minimum wear out depth, it is recommended that all tires (including spare tires) that were manufactured more than ten (10) years previous be replaced with new tires.

Bridgestone Firestone North American Tire, LLC

first of all, I said nothing about warranties! generally off road use voids warranties. and secondly, this is how they get more of yer cash, the only reason insurance is required is because of the iihs (insurance institute for highway safety) also helmet laws on motorcycles so...............yeah! the also recommend not welding on yer frame, not lifting, not solid axle swapping, not moving gas tanks, cutting body, making your own bumpers, removing cats, driving with a cracked windshield, the list goes on but we do it anyway.

[theHay-MAN]

Originally Posted by azcagiva

Thanks for the replies. I am gonna run them. I will just keep the highway speeds down. Will report results, if not then I probably died in a fiery crash.

-John

it's not unheard of to throw a tread on an old tire, also it's not unheard of to throw a tread on a brand new tire. FIRESTONE! be careful and drive safe, and if a cop reads yer tires they may or may not choose to decide to think they know better and send your rig to the impound, even if there's no law that says anything about such things. it'll be up to you in court, been there! and it still cost me impound fees when the judge said not guilty! good luck bro, be safe and have fun!

[jeep937]

What about Michelin Mil tires? Humm..

[HAPPYJOHN]

Originally Posted by theHay-MAN

first of all, I said nothing about warranties! generally off road use voids warranties. and secondly, this is how they get more of yer cash, the only reason insurance is required is because of the iihs (insurance institute for highway safety) also helmet laws on motorcycles so...............yeah! the also recommend not welding on yer frame, not lifting, not solid axle swapping, not moving gas tanks, cutting body, making your own bumpers, removing cats, driving with a cracked windshield, the list goes on but we do it anyway.

I know that you said nothing about warranties. My point was that the failure rate jumps exponentially after six years; that's why I wouldn't run such a tire on my daily driver.

As to the modifications you mention, most of them make the truck stronger,
or safer, as opposed to running old tires.
( again, I am specifically referring to DD/support vehicles, not part-time use vehicles )

but, hey, if you want your life potentially riding on ten-year-old tires, go for it.

[HAPPYJOHN]

Originally Posted by theHay-MAN

it's not unheard of to throw a tread on an old tire, also it's not unheard of to throw a tread on a brand new tire. FIRESTONE! be careful and drive safe, and if a cop reads yer tires they may or may not choose to decide to think they know better and send your rig to the impound, even if there's no law that says anything about such things. it'll be up to you in court, been there! and it still cost me impound fees when the judge said not guilty! good luck bro, be safe and have fun!

Sorry that I missed this the first time through. Are you saying that a LEO read the date on your tires, and towed your car?

Got to call bullshit on this. Where did this happen? and can you produce the ticket or court/impound papers that state the impound was due to tire age?

[theHay-MAN]

Originally Posted by HAPPYJOHN

Sorry that I missed this the first time through. Are you saying that a LEO read the date on your tires, and towed your car?

Got to call bullshit on this. Where did this happen? and can you produce the ticket or court/impound papers that state the impound was due to tire age?

It was Chico, CA. and the fact of the matter is, any cop can tow you for whatever reason they want. Court papers? you're a JACKASS! you can call B/S all you want, doesn't change the fact that it happened. of course in the cops defense, these WERE military tires and the guy I got 'em from had had them for "sometime". JACKASS!

[HAPPYJOHN]

Originally Posted by theHay-MAN

It was Chico, CA. and the fact of the matter is, any cop can tow you for whatever reason they want. Court papers? you're a JACKASS! you can call B/S all you want, doesn't change the fact that it happened. of course in the cops defense, these WERE military tires and the guy I got 'em from had had them for "sometime". JACKASS!

Hey "man", I made no personal attack on you. Just looking for you to back up what you said. You implied that the cop towed you for "old tires".

You NEVER mentioned military tires, which may have been marked "NHS"
Not for Highway Service.

If you were being as big a dick then as now, I'm surprised you didn't spend the night in jail.

Nucking foobs.

[Wild Hare]

Originally Posted by HAPPYJOHN

I know that you said nothing about warranties. My point was that the failure rate jumps exponentially after six years; that's why I wouldn't run such a tire on my daily driver.

there is a big difference between 6 years of use, exposure to high and low temps as well as exposure to the sun and 6 years in storage.

[HAPPYJOHN]

Originally Posted by Wild Hare

there is a big difference between 6 years of use, exposure to high and low temps as well as exposure to the sun and 6 years in storage.

No question about that. The op was asking about tires that had been used for two years, then stored for ten years. His specific inquiry was to the suitablity
of those tires on a support vehicle, for an off-road race.

My opinion was no.

[nate379]

I noticed a few days ago one of the TSLs on the Jeep was starting to crack a bit on the sidewall. Manufacture date... 1991. They were brand new when I bought them in 6 or 7 years ago, guess they sat in a warehouse for a while.

My Dad has a trailer that has Goodyear Polyglas tires, the ones that had a thin red strip kinda like a white wall. They haven't made those tires in ~30 years.... and somehow with my trailer the ~5 year old tires are already shot. :lol:

[HAPPYJOHN]

Originally Posted by nate379

I noticed a few days ago one of the TSLs on the Jeep was starting to crack a bit on the sidewall. Manufacture date... 1991. They were brand new when I bought them in 6 or 7 years ago, guess they sat in a warehouse for a while.

My Dad has a trailer that has Goodyear Polyglas tires, the ones that had a thin red strip kinda like a white wall. They haven't made those tires in ~30 years.... and somehow with my trailer the ~5 year old tires are already shot. :lol:

Coker tire has bought the molds, and is producing those tires today for restoration cars.

[nate379]

Maybe so but my Dad built this trailer in high school around 1975 and that was when the tires were put on it.