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Old 06-24-2012, 01:38 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Ford 9/14 Bolt Hydrid Full float rear axle build

I am gonna go ahead and start this. I have been planning it for awhile but couldn't justify tearing into a rear end (31 spline semi-float 9") that was handling my 35 KM2's just fine.

All that changed last weekend when I broke the drivers rear shaft and twisted the splines on the passenger side

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So this kinda made me wanna go ahead and start on the Full float rather than spend money on new shafts. I kicked around the idea of replacing the third and locker with 35 spline stuff and going to 35 spline semi float shafts.

But I knew that if I went full float I would never regret it AND I knew if I went semi-float and broke anything ever again I would kick myself for not full floating it from the start.


So the plan is this--

Take existing Ford 9 Housing and cut ends off


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Old 06-24-2012, 01:54 PM   #2 (permalink)
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These are my spindles I am using

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This is the truss I am ordering and do not have yet( pic stolen from Ruffstuff website, hope they don't mind)

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Tomorrow I am headed to a friends machine shop. He is 65 years old and has been a machinist since his early 20's. We are gonna put our collective heads together and come up with a good redneck way to mount the spindles and keep them true..

My thoughts are turn down the OD of the spindle and press fit them all the way up to the brake mounting flange. then get a good weld going.

Pic of everything loaded in the bed. the reason for the tires is my bud is gonna turn down and re-drill the hubs for a 5x5.5 bolt pattern. We are thinking me might have to open up my rims so I am gonna have the tires unmounted and ready.


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Then I will call up Dutchman and order a set of chromoly shafts, 31 spline on the end with a 14 bolt pattern. Of course I can't do that until i can measure the shafts. Can't measure the shafts Until I get the spindles on.



Now I know I should go ahead and do the nodular case, Grizzly locker and 35 spline shafts but I simply haven't the cash. If and when I break the 31 spline FF shafts or the stock third I will upgrade. Yes I will walk over myself on the 31 spline shafts but I am only spending $350 on the shafts now and hopefully defering the $1k for 35 spline locker, shafts, and nodular case til later.


I will take pics at the shop tomorrow and post up.

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Some Ford 9/14bolt threads I've posted in or started. Some good info

http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/showt...945&highlight=

http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/showt...520&highlight=

http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/showt...028&highlight=

http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/showt...009&highlight=


One last edit: I almost forgot. Be careful when working. This is what happens when your housing falls off the jack stands and the brake bracket lands on the dogs tail! Inch cut and almost took off the last 3 inches all together!

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Poor guy. But we did get a good laugh out of him wagging his bandaged tail.
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My only question is why? You broke the 31 spline side of the axle and you are going back in with 31 spline?
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Now I know I should go ahead and do the nodular case, Grizzly locker and 35 spline shafts but I simply haven't the cash. If and when I break the 31 spline FF shafts or the stock third I will upgrade. Yes I will walk over myself on the 31 spline shafts but I am only spending $350 on the shafts now and hopefully defering the $1k for 35 spline locker, shafts, and nodular case til later.
Welll other than what I said above about not having money to go 35 spline and all but wanting to upgrade later and only eating $350.

The broken shaft in question is a 31 spline 1541 Yukon shaft. basically a stock shaft...semi-float.

I will be going back to a 31 spline 4140 shaft from Dutchman

http://www.dutchmanaxles.com/product...ater-axle-pair

better material and a full float. should be able to handle my 35's. I imagine I will blow the pinion out of the stock third before breaking a 4140 full float shaft on 35's.

But I guess we'll see
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If you can't get perfect alignment you may be better off using shafts splined at both ends and drive flanges instead of a flanged axle.

If you can live with a spool you can buy a 35 spline spool that has small bearings and fits in a stock case.
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Don't turn the spindles down to fit the ID until you have run an alignment bar through the housing. You will probably need to turn them offset in a 4 jaw chuck to compensate for any lack of concentricity.
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If you can't get perfect alignment you may be better off using shafts splined at both ends and drive flanges instead of a flanged axle.

If you can live with a spool you can buy a 35 spline spool that has small bearings and fits in a stock case.
Thought about the small bearing spool. research showed mixed reviews. I am gonna hold out for an aftermarket case. I am currently researching whether I can respline the 14 bolt shafts to 31 spline.

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Don't turn the spindles down to fit the ID until you have run an alignment bar through the housing. You will probably need to turn them offset in a 4 jaw chuck to compensate for any lack of concentricity.
Thanks. Will do. Unfortunately I am not a Machinist but my my friend is so I will take all these suggestions with me.
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Just a Li Update.

Got my stuff to my machinist friend

Meet Mr. Whitkanack.

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I have known him going on 12 years now. GREAT guy! and does awesome work. He said no problem getting the housing straight. He actually has a 1.5 inch chrome bar and he is going to machine out some pucks to use. I was fired up. He has never worked on an axle before but he knew exactly what to do like he'd done millions!

Here is a quick shot of his shop. Big ass lathe on the left, 3 mill's on the far wall, the door opeing to another part of the shop with a bansaw and a 30 ton press.

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Now here is my biggest issue. I took this today sitting in my truck outside his shop.

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Obviously Mr. Whitkanack its a 20 year old. I told him to make sure he didn't get too hot and that I wasn't on a time frame! Last thing I want is for him to get heatstroke and go down out there.

he will work on it in the early morning hours. He still thought he'd have it done by Friday. He is also machining the 14 bolt hubs to 5x5.5.

I'll post up pics when I get them!
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Update!

Mr. Whitkanack called me and he was concerned about something so I went over to his shop. Seems my measurements were off a little....by just under 1/16ths! I assured him that being 1/16 this would make this axle the truest thing on my jeep!!!

It was my error when cutting the axle. Mr. Whitkanack was prepared to go to great lengths to true it up but I told him it wasn't necessary.

here are the pics I took.

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This is a press fit with about 6 inches of tube inside the housing. Now I know that an alignment bar should be used. Mr. whitkanack has a bar and can make the pucks but I feel like that will just add unneeded cost to this project.

Mr Whitkanack thinks its good. So do I. This is not a KOH high budget type build. This jeep sees less that 2k miles a year. Most of that wheeling. It may explode into a firey death first time I put it in drive but I am going with it.

Time will tell. Stay tuned for more pics
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Mr whitkanck just called and I went and picked up my housing. he is still working on my hubs.

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Sorry for the crappy cell pics. I will get more tomorrow
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Jeep is sitting on the springs!

First is me being goofy!

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Looks great. Full floater 9's are cool. I would think seriously about upgrading the carrier for 35 spline before you order custom axles!
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Got my hubs back. In a hurry but will post more pics tomorrow!


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okay... A real update.

This is how the hubs came back from my friend. 2 of the lug holes came close or impeded into the original 8 holes. He did not think it a strength issue at all. I may try to weld the holes up or I may press in a stud then grind it flush/weld it up.

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Here is a shot with the rotor on it. I went ahead and used an 8 lug rotor. I had him thread as many of the original 8 holes as he could. he managed 5 of them. They are 3/4 inch 16 fine thread. I put tons of red loctite on them I think they will hold. You can see the other hubs bolts in the pic also


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here is a shot looking down on the hub. You can see the 5 bolts holding on the rotor. I could go another 1/2 inch on the bolt. But I miss measured originally. The bolts are 1.5 inches and I have over an inch of thread contact. I think they will be fine but I may get some longer ones anyway


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Here is a shot from the rear. The axle was originally 65 5/8 inches wide wms to wms. Now it is 65 and 9/16 wms to wms. the 1/16 inch difference was my screw up. Somehow I will manage to deal with the difference!!

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And here is a shot of it on the rig. Should be a pretty cool conversation piece out on the trail. Especially when I match it with a 609 front!

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Ruffstuff 14 bolt brake brackets should be here Monday. I will measure for shafts and call Dutchman or jpcrawleram tomorrw.

Cost for this build--

14 bolt hubs/spindles--$90

Ruffstuff 14 bolt SRW brackets--$50

machine work/housing fab- $330

Shafts- $350.

I 'll pricey and I could throw a 14 bolt in her for cheaper but for my needs I wanted this. I have the capability to upgrade this axle to handle 40 plus tires but can still run my 35's without plowing every trail in Arkansas!
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Nice work!

I'd just add the wheel stud and trim to fit.
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Nice work!

I'd just add the wheel stud and trim to fit.
Hey thanks man. Thats my plan maybe with a few tacks on the backside.

Who would you recommend for axle shafts?
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Who would you recommend for axle shafts?[/QUOTE]

Nice work on the 9/14! I would go with RCV drive shafts and there drive flanges.
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Got my brake brackets from Ruffstuff today and got my disc brakes set up.

The ruffstuff brackets are nice and make a very clean install.


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I got a little grinding to do. They say with a steal wheel no grinding necessary but an aluminum wheel will need grinding. It won be much.


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Update!

Mr. Whitkanack called me and he was concerned about something so I went over to his shop. Seems my measurements were off a little....by just under 1/16ths! I assured him that being 1/16 this would make this axle the truest thing on my jeep!!!

It was my error when cutting the axle. Mr. Whitkanack was prepared to go to great lengths to true it up but I told him it wasn't necessary.

here are the pics I took.

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This is a press fit with about 6 inches of tube inside the housing. Now I know that an alignment bar should be used. Mr. whitkanack has a bar and can make the pucks but I feel like that will just add unneeded cost to this project.

Mr Whitkanack thinks its good. So do I. This is not a KOH high budget type build. This jeep sees less that 2k miles a year. Most of that wheeling. It may explode into a firey death first time I put it in drive but I am going with it.

Time will tell. Stay tuned for more pics
Awesome - I too have been thinking of this but was not sure how to go about it, were you able to turn the 1.5" shafts down to 31 spline?

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Awesome - I too have been thinking of this but was not sure how to go about it, were you able to turn the 1.5" shafts down to 31 spline?

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I got talked out of the 31 splines. I am going with a small bearing 35 spline spool in the stock third and 35 spline shafts.

From my research the 14 bolt shafts neck down too far and are too inconsistent to be repslined to 31 spline. That's what Dutchman and Moser informed me.

I am done with the axle. Waiting on funds to buy my shafts.
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I am done with the axle. Waiting on funds to buy my shafts.
Let me know on that unit bearing...every little bit helps...

Good information. Looking at doing the same thing on my 9.
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For the money you spent you could have bought a new third and 35 spline semifloat shafts. My two friends have had no issues with this combo and 39 bfg reds.
But I love that you'll be able to upgrade the third down the road and be stronger than that.
This was two weeks ago on 36" irocs.
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For the money you spent you could have bought a new third and 35 spline semifloat shafts. My two friends have had no issues with this combo and 39 bfg reds.
But I love that you'll be able to upgrade the third down the road and be stronger than that.
This was two weeks ago on 36" irocs.
Yeah but semi-float ford 9's just aren't as cool!

Just BS-ing, I wanted to do something a lil different. Plus I am unlimited on the upgradeablility. Nodular 3rd, tru hi 9, double spline shafts with drive flanges, etc. AND I got sick of the set 20 bearings ALWAYS leaking.

Only extra money I spent really was on the machine work. the semi float shafts were same cost as full float and I still woulda gone spool.
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Update...

Got the spool in and installed. I got talked into buying a small bearing spool for the stock case. I just could not afford to go nodular and the grizzly I wanted. I know I am gonna break the stock third like in the above pic. But if it can last til next spring, 3-5 wheeling trips for me, then i should have the money to upgrade the third.

Pic of spool with bearings. Knowing I was gonna upgrade later I bought this off ebay for just $125. But I gotta say the fit/finish is pretty good

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Installed in stock 3rd

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Gear pattern with .008 backlash

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I had no marking compound so I mixed paint and wheel bearing grease. Actually worked well. Much better than the pics show

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Well in an above post I deleted i was VERY put out with UPS. My tracking number I got never worked. Dutchman had no clue, UPS said they were lost and put a tracer on them. My tracking number NEVER showed activity. I was pretty upset.

Then today the shafts showed up fine and on time. So who knows? Alot of anger for nothing


Little bling. 14 bolt pattern

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Using a quarter for size perspective. 35 spline

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Poser shot on the counter

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And then I went out and slid them in the axle to see how they fit. Fit was great.

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I do not think I will break these. I also think I have built an axle that can handle a 37/38 no problem and with a nodular third a 40 inch tire. Shoot with a true hi-9 and double spline floaters with drive flanges who knows.
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