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Old 09-13-2012, 08:53 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Warn hub snap ring...

I was rebuilding my front Ford D44 last night and putting together the Warn Premium hubs, I could not get the stupid outer axle shaft to slide out far enough to get the little snap ring to go on and hold it in the hub...

I had 4ft pry bars and all sorts of stupid prying things trying to pull the axle shaft out 1/8". I even disassembled the hub and double checked everything. I just could not get the snap ring in..

Anyone else run into this issue, and what issues will it cause? The only thing I can see is that the snap ring holds the axle shaft dust flange against the knuckle?

I have no pictures of it, but this is the closest thing I can find to showing you what I am talking about.

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Check that you don't have an extra seal or thrust washer around your stub shaft behind the spindle (can happen if you replace the stub shaft with a used one, and part of the old one was already stuck on the back of the spindle).

This was my experience when this happened on mine once.
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may sound odd.. but where those the ORG axle shafts for that axle...? I know the full size F250 stub shafts came in diffrent lengths... I learned the hard way....
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heck i dont think i even run those on my truck. sometimes there will be a spot for a snap ring right after the bearing nuts that does basically the same thing
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Check the thrust washer between the Axle shaft and spindle. There is a chamfer on the inside diameter. It needs to be facing the Axle shaft. If it is upside down you won't get the snap ring on.
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Check that you don't have an extra seal or thrust washer around your stub shaft behind the spindle (can happen if you replace the stub shaft with a used one, and part of the old one was already stuck on the back of the spindle).

This was my experience when this happened on mine once.
I replaced the spindle bearing, small washer and the thrust washer with Longfield UHMW spindle bushing. I suppose that may be the problem?

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may sound odd.. but where those the ORG axle shafts for that axle...? I know the full size F250 stub shafts came in diffrent lengths... I learned the hard way....
They are superior axle and gears chromo shafts. I have at one point had the snap ring on... but on the spindle there was no washers at all... so perhaps it is the bushing in the spindle hmm

The axle is the 5 lug. Came out of a 76 f150, d44 hp
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The spindle bearing/ bushing is not in far enough.
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The bushing was pushed in all the way I assure you that.

Here is an actual picture of my bushing (yes I greased it before install, right after this photo



I should contact longfield about it, maybe it's not for my specific D44 who knows. On their site it doesn't say that it won't work for any axle.
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I have Superior shafts on an Early Bronco D44 with Warn Premium hubs. For whatever reason there just isn't any room for that snap ring on the end of the axle so I left it off. Been running it that way since '07 and no problems whatsoever...run it
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I have Superior shafts on an Early Bronco D44 with Warn Premium hubs. For whatever reason there just isn't any room for that snap ring on the end of the axle so I left it off. Been running it that way since '07 and no problems whatsoever...run it
Good to hear. I am going to run it haha. I tried for too long to make the snap ring almost fit, just wanted to feedback on the situation! Thanks man
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Old 09-16-2012, 02:34 PM   #11 (permalink)
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The bushing was pushed in all the way I assure you that.

Here is an actual picture of my bushing (yes I greased it before install, right after this photo



I should contact longfield about it, maybe it's not for my specific D44 who knows. On their site it doesn't say that it won't work for any axle.
Yes call me 253-847-8254 thanks Bobby.
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I'd do whatever is needed to get that snap ring on there since I wouldn't want water & dirt getting into my axle through the gap that would otherwise be left at the seal behind the spindle.
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I know this is an old thread, but I want to provide updates and a fix.

After running with no snap ring all my wheel bearings were toast in no time and so were my hubs haha.

Anyway... The culprit



That stupid fucking lip on there was not allowing the spindle to seat against the axle... thus not allowing me not to get the snap ring on.

Simple solution... cut the fucker.




Works great now and I was able to get my snap ring on and seat the axle so no more shit getting in the hubs. Truck rides much smoother too.
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They are superior axle and gears chromo shafts. I have at one point had the snap ring on... but on the spindle there was no washers at all... so perhaps it is the bushing in the spindle
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That stupid fucking lip on there was not allowing the spindle to seat against the axle... thus not allowing me not to get the snap ring on.
Simple solution... cut the fucker.
So the aftermarket stub, machined to use NO thrust washer, was the problem?

I've only used the longfield bushings on a 60, but they went together just like stock. Fit fine.

Did you ever talk to Bobby, btw?
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Old 10-01-2014, 06:20 PM   #15 (permalink)
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Yes that is correct. No thrust washer and the spindle bushing still didn't work. That lip was hanging up and not allowing it to seat all the way.

Yeah I've assembled a D60 a few times and those bushing work flawless...

I actually did speak with Bobby... He mentioned there was a few rare cases where the spindle was slightly different size and it required machining, but he wasn't sure as he has only seen a few and heard of a few. Apparently the ones on my 1976 D44 were apart of that group... Or the spindles were different. But AFAIK the original owner had them since day one and never did anything to them.

I didn't go the machine route and just modified the bushing itself. It's been working great for over a year now.
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