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akitadog · 11-20-2003, 09:35 PM

I'm planning on a SAS on my Runner and have a chance to get a front axle which currently resides on a 77' Jeep Cherokee.

Can anyone tell me if this would be a good axle for a swap? Of course the carrier and gears will be changed to match my rear which is 4.88 now.

The knuckles are both flat on top. There is no manaul locking hubs. Pass side Pumpkin.

We tried to get a quick measurement on the WMS and it looks like 60".

I have act quickly on this before the vehicle get hauled away next week, so any inpuy will be greatly appreciated.

Wideopen · 11-20-2003, 10:12 PM

I'm pretty sure it's a dana 44. They are pretty good axles, It even matches the lug pattern of the rear. I say go for it, Throw some warn hubs on it and add some 4.88's with a locker and run it.....

One problem though, Is the fact that they are SUA, And alot of people dont like flipping the perches on them for some reason??

Laughter · 11-21-2003, 12:28 AM

Search in the yota forum for Bones. I know he did a waggy axle. Erik B's site is a gold mine for dana 44 swap info

http://home.4x4wire.com/erik/

Dirty Harry over on 4x4wire.com did it as well, and has documented in on the site.

http://www.4x4wire.com/toyota/tech/dana44/suspension/

Daniel

akitadog · 11-21-2003, 08:28 AM

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Originally posted by Wideopen
One problem though, Is the fact that they are SUA, And alot of people dont like flipping the perches on them for some reason??

What sort of problem does that pose?

Violent91 · 11-21-2003, 08:36 AM

Alright. Its a good axle. If you can get it for cheap, i'd do it. (if not, just get em for the flat tops) I used a 79 axle. It didnt have flat tops and i had to get some. 77s have flat tops so if you want to run a 60" D44, that would be the one to get. To do a spring over....just grind the housing piece on the axle to a flat surface and drill centering holes. Make a perch for the longside tube and shes ready.

The only downside to this axle is you'll need to know that large tires (about 37+) with 3.5"+ backspacing will rub due to the larger spring center. ALso know that with this axle, you'll have to outboard the springs and you wont be able to run 'through frame' shackles.

KS Toy · 11-21-2003, 08:46 AM

It is ok but why not go with a Toyota front

Violent91 · 11-21-2003, 08:59 AM

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Originally posted by KS Toy
It is ok but why not go with a Toyota front

I didnt because it takes a long time for me to upgrade. Swapping in an 8" without putting in longs aint worth a crap.(obviously) Only when you get longs can you run the good trails and get bigger tires. I also liked the extra little bit of width that it gave me.

akitadog · 11-21-2003, 10:50 AM

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Originally posted by Violent91
The only downside to this axle is you'll need to know that large tires (about 37+) with 3.5"+ backspacing will rub due to the larger spring center. ALso know that with this axle, you'll have to outboard the springs and you wont be able to run 'through frame' shackles.

I won't be running anything larger than 33's.

Quote:

Originally posted by KS Toy
It is ok but why not go with a Toyota front??

I can get this axle for 200 which is alot cheaper than a stock Toy axle.
I can then get it shortened to match the rear and still have a stronger axle without having to in vest alot of money initially.

Mark

Pazuzu · 11-21-2003, 11:06 AM

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Originally posted by Violent91

Swapping in an 8" without putting in longs aint worth a crap.(obviously) Only when you get longs can you run the good trails and get bigger tires.

Thank god no one ever tried to wheel a Yota before Long's were invented

akitadog · 11-21-2003, 12:31 PM

Violent91 · 11-21-2003, 12:37 PM

The d44 is perfect for you then. Go for it. Build a small drop hanger and use the stock 7 leaf waggy springs and hopefully you can stay low enough to run 33s.

Violent91 · 11-21-2003, 12:39 PM

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Originally posted by Pazuzu

Thank god no one ever tried to wheel a Yota before Long's were invented

Well you ain't gonna get far in 4wd w/35s and birfs....much less if its locked. Dual case or not.

KS Toy · 11-21-2003, 02:32 PM

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Originally posted by Violent91

Swapping in an 8" without putting in longs aint worth a crap.(obviously) Only when you get longs can you run the good trails and get bigger tires.

This is bs but that is ok if you don't know any better. I don't want to start yet another 44 vs Toy debate. If you want the 44 go for it. If want that 44 to be very strong at all you will have to spend a lot of $$. Ask anyone who has been through this. FWIW Bones has over $2000 in his and that is with some of the parts being used. I am not putting down the 44 but it is all in what you want and how much time and $ you have. Good luck in whatever axle you choose-Brad

Wideopen · 11-21-2003, 02:38 PM

You can wheel the shit out of a toyota front. They live alot longer if they are open, But even if they are locked up, be smart with the skinney peddle, And dont give it full throttle with the tires turned or pinched and you should be good, Especially with 33's

akitadog · 11-21-2003, 03:16 PM

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Originally posted by KS Toy

This is bs but that is ok if you don't know any better. I don't want to start yet another 44 vs Toy debate.

Thanks Brad,
My intention was not to start a debate or something worse.

I was just looking for some info on this axle.

Mark

montezuma · 11-22-2003, 12:33 AM

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Originally posted by Violent91

Well you ain't gonna get far in 4wd w/35s and birfs....much less if its locked. Dual case or not.

I've seen some narly wheeling with 35" mudders, duals with 4.7's, and limited slips front and rear. This guy I'm referring to has wheeled for years with this set-up, and never broke a birf. How? He let the vehicle do alot of the work, and he realized he didn't need to use the gas peddle to go where he wanted. If you are kind on the vehicle, you won't brake birfs as often as you think.

11-20-2003, 09:35 PM	#1 (permalink)
akitadog Newbie Join Date: Sep 2003 Member # 23126 Location: Lodi, CA Posts: 86	Toyota SAS Candidate I'm planning on a SAS on my Runner and have a chance to get a front axle which currently resides on a 77' Jeep Cherokee. Can anyone tell me if this would be a good axle for a swap? Of course the carrier and gears will be changed to match my rear which is 4.88 now. The knuckles are both flat on top. There is no manaul locking hubs. Pass side Pumpkin. We tried to get a quick measurement on the WMS and it looks like 60". I have act quickly on this before the vehicle get hauled away next week, so any inpuy will be greatly appreciated. __________________ Mark

11-21-2003, 12:28 AM	#3 (permalink)
Laughter Registered User Join Date: Dec 2002 Member # 15729 Location: Pacific Northwest Posts: 75	Search in the yota forum for Bones. I know he did a waggy axle. Erik B's site is a gold mine for dana 44 swap info http://home.4x4wire.com/erik/ Dirty Harry over on 4x4wire.com did it as well, and has documented in on the site. http://www.4x4wire.com/toyota/tech/dana44/suspension/ Daniel __________________ "Hatred is the stillborn child of ignorance and boredom"

11-21-2003, 08:36 AM	#5 (permalink)
Violent91 Registered User Join Date: Oct 2002 Member # 14496 Location: Uvalde/College Station, TX Posts: 777	Alright. Its a good axle. If you can get it for cheap, i'd do it. (if not, just get em for the flat tops) I used a 79 axle. It didnt have flat tops and i had to get some. 77s have flat tops so if you want to run a 60" D44, that would be the one to get. To do a spring over....just grind the housing piece on the axle to a flat surface and drill centering holes. Make a perch for the longside tube and shes ready. The only downside to this axle is you'll need to know that large tires (about 37+) with 3.5"+ backspacing will rub due to the larger spring center. ALso know that with this axle, you'll have to outboard the springs and you wont be able to run 'through frame' shackles. __________________ 91 Toyota Pickup 350ci/th350/np205 Open D44 Welded 8"rear on 38s (PM me if you have a D44 locker for sale)

11-21-2003, 12:31 PM	#10 (permalink)
akitadog Newbie Join Date: Sep 2003 Member # 23126 Location: Lodi, CA Posts: 86	__________________ Mark

11-21-2003, 12:37 PM	#11 (permalink)
Violent91 Registered User Join Date: Oct 2002 Member # 14496 Location: Uvalde/College Station, TX Posts: 777	The d44 is perfect for you then. Go for it. Build a small drop hanger and use the stock 7 leaf waggy springs and hopefully you can stay low enough to run 33s. __________________ 91 Toyota Pickup 350ci/th350/np205 Open D44 Welded 8"rear on 38s (PM me if you have a D44 locker for sale)

11-20-2003, 10:12 PM	#2 (permalink)
Wideopen Banned Join Date: Aug 2003 Member # 22380 Location: Camas Wa. Posts: 630	I'm pretty sure it's a dana 44. They are pretty good axles, It even matches the lug pattern of the rear. I say go for it, Throw some warn hubs on it and add some 4.88's with a locker and run it..... One problem though, Is the fact that they are SUA, And alot of people dont like flipping the perches on them for some reason??

11-21-2003, 08:46 AM	#6 (permalink)
KS Toy Registered User Join Date: Nov 2001 Member # 7938 Location: The Land of OZ... Posts: 3,512	It is ok but why not go with a Toyota front

11-21-2003, 02:38 PM	#14 (permalink)
Wideopen Banned Join Date: Aug 2003 Member # 22380 Location: Camas Wa. Posts: 630	You can wheel the shit out of a toyota front. They live alot longer if they are open, But even if they are locked up, be smart with the skinney peddle, And dont give it full throttle with the tires turned or pinched and you should be good, Especially with 33's

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