9" minispool install - Pirate4x4.Com : 4x4 and Off-Road Forum

TJVigilante · 05-08-2007, 07:14 PM

I won an auction for a $20 new minispool on ebay, and I'm looking to install it in a 4.10 3rd I'm getting for free in trade with a friend who only needs a bare case...and I just found out today that I'd need to split the carrier to swap out the spiders for the spool...I'm alright with setting backlash again and whatnot, but I can't for the life of me find out how to take the carrier apart.

Here's an open carrier that came out of the 9" case I'm trading to him...I see the pins but those aren't screws holding the pins in place....they look like dowels or just round tube.

Excuse the noobness, I'm used to Dana carriers with the open holes in the sides.

GAredClaYJ · 05-08-2007, 09:20 PM

If you're just putting the minispool in your current member, you should not have to adjust your backlash or make any other adjustments. The pins you mention are roll pins. Take a punch or drift that has a smaller diameter and punch it out. This will free up the cross pin and you can then replace your spider gears with your mini. Replace the cross pin, put the roll pin back in it, and the reassemble your member...good to go.
Jordan

TJVigilante · 05-08-2007, 10:12 PM

See the thing is I need to remove the carrier from the 3rd to install the minispool in the 9", and it's got this wierd threaded thing instead of shims that set backlash, so I need to re-check it after I set it back in the 3rd.

Even if I remove the roll pins, I can't get the spool inside the carrier...the hole you see is the only opening into the innards. The pins are also covered by the ring gear when installed.

TJVigilante · 05-09-2007, 02:00 AM

Maybe someone can move this into the Ford section so I can get an answer?

GAredClaYJ · 05-09-2007, 04:17 AM

After removing the ring gear, the case splits in half. Once you remove the roll pins, then the cross pins come out and you can remove the spiders. Reverse all of this to install the mini. I don't see exactly what you're stuck on.

TJVigilante · 05-09-2007, 10:03 AM

I'm stuck on the case splitting in half. Although, I now see where it happens...so I'll give it a shot later today.

Thanks for the reply.

TJVigilante · 05-09-2007, 02:10 PM

I should have just gotten a full spool....I'll have to set backlash again anyway. Grr. Oh well, this is cheaper.

TJVigilante · 05-09-2007, 11:21 PM

Well I gave it a shot today, for a little bit before my neighbor came out in a huff because I was pounding on the diff at 10pm. That thing wasn't budging...maybe tomorrow I'll give it a little more elbow grease and break it free.

The 4.10's I got for free seem to have a traction lock diff....it's got the recessed ring gear bolt seats and more than one hole in the carrier, but looking inside it doesn't show anything different from the open carrier in the picture. Am I supposed to notice clutch disks or anything through those holes?

Jrod-13 · 05-16-2007, 08:13 PM

you have to remove the ring gear bolts to get the carrier split in half..

But anyways, put the mini back on ebay, and get a full spool, otherwise you will be doing it all over again when the cross pin breaks.

TJVigilante · 05-16-2007, 10:04 PM

I'm thinking of just going with a full spool...

And I already removed the ring gear bolts...can't you see the picture?

Jrod-13 · 05-17-2007, 07:37 PM

I can see the pic now, did you add it after I posted? or maybe it wasn't working.. either way.

Just split the case with a chisel.. or better yet, put in a full spool.

TJVigilante · 05-18-2007, 01:38 AM

Actually it was there, but the link seemed to be bad. I edited it with another URL but it looked to be the same.

I'll run out and get a chisel tomorrow and see if it works.

05-08-2007, 07:14 PM	#1 (permalink)
TJVigilante Banned Join Date: Mar 2006 Member # 68805 Location: Cold ass Interior Alaska Posts: 1,281	9" minispool install I won an auction for a $20 new minispool on ebay, and I'm looking to install it in a 4.10 3rd I'm getting for free in trade with a friend who only needs a bare case...and I just found out today that I'd need to split the carrier to swap out the spiders for the spool...I'm alright with setting backlash again and whatnot, but I can't for the life of me find out how to take the carrier apart. Here's an open carrier that came out of the 9" case I'm trading to him...I see the pins but those aren't screws holding the pins in place....they look like dowels or just round tube. Excuse the noobness, I'm used to Dana carriers with the open holes in the sides. Last edited by TJVigilante; 05-16-2007 at 10:07 PM.

05-08-2007, 10:12 PM	#3 (permalink)
TJVigilante Banned Join Date: Mar 2006 Member # 68805 Location: Cold ass Interior Alaska Posts: 1,281	See the thing is I need to remove the carrier from the 3rd to install the minispool in the 9", and it's got this wierd threaded thing instead of shims that set backlash, so I need to re-check it after I set it back in the 3rd. Even if I remove the roll pins, I can't get the spool inside the carrier...the hole you see is the only opening into the innards. The pins are also covered by the ring gear when installed. Last edited by TJVigilante; 05-08-2007 at 10:13 PM.

05-16-2007, 08:13 PM	#9 (permalink)
Jrod-13 Registered User Join Date: Feb 2003 Member # 17313 Location: Tower, MN Posts: 2,794	you have to remove the ring gear bolts to get the carrier split in half.. But anyways, put the mini back on ebay, and get a full spool, otherwise you will be doing it all over again when the cross pin breaks. __________________ A recent survay of over 1000 trailer parks in the southeast found the 350 chevy out numbered the mullet by nearly 4:1, draw your own conclusion.

05-17-2007, 07:37 PM	#11 (permalink)
Jrod-13 Registered User Join Date: Feb 2003 Member # 17313 Location: Tower, MN Posts: 2,794	I can see the pic now, did you add it after I posted? or maybe it wasn't working.. either way. Just split the case with a chisel.. or better yet, put in a full spool. __________________ A recent survay of over 1000 trailer parks in the southeast found the 350 chevy out numbered the mullet by nearly 4:1, draw your own conclusion.

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05-08-2007, 09:20 PM	#2 (permalink)
GAredClaYJ Registered User Join Date: Jan 2006 Member # 66555 Location: Monroe GA Posts: 137	If you're just putting the minispool in your current member, you should not have to adjust your backlash or make any other adjustments. The pins you mention are roll pins. Take a punch or drift that has a smaller diameter and punch it out. This will free up the cross pin and you can then replace your spider gears with your mini. Replace the cross pin, put the roll pin back in it, and the reassemble your member...good to go. Jordan

05-09-2007, 02:00 AM	#4 (permalink)
TJVigilante Banned Join Date: Mar 2006 Member # 68805 Location: Cold ass Interior Alaska Posts: 1,281	Maybe someone can move this into the Ford section so I can get an answer?

05-09-2007, 04:17 AM	#5 (permalink)
GAredClaYJ Registered User Join Date: Jan 2006 Member # 66555 Location: Monroe GA Posts: 137	After removing the ring gear, the case splits in half. Once you remove the roll pins, then the cross pins come out and you can remove the spiders. Reverse all of this to install the mini. I don't see exactly what you're stuck on.

05-09-2007, 10:03 AM	#6 (permalink)
TJVigilante Banned Join Date: Mar 2006 Member # 68805 Location: Cold ass Interior Alaska Posts: 1,281	I'm stuck on the case splitting in half. Although, I now see where it happens...so I'll give it a shot later today. Thanks for the reply.

05-09-2007, 02:10 PM	#7 (permalink)
TJVigilante Banned Join Date: Mar 2006 Member # 68805 Location: Cold ass Interior Alaska Posts: 1,281	I should have just gotten a full spool....I'll have to set backlash again anyway. Grr. Oh well, this is cheaper.

05-09-2007, 11:21 PM	#8 (permalink)
TJVigilante Banned Join Date: Mar 2006 Member # 68805 Location: Cold ass Interior Alaska Posts: 1,281	Well I gave it a shot today, for a little bit before my neighbor came out in a huff because I was pounding on the diff at 10pm. That thing wasn't budging...maybe tomorrow I'll give it a little more elbow grease and break it free. The 4.10's I got for free seem to have a traction lock diff....it's got the recessed ring gear bolt seats and more than one hole in the carrier, but looking inside it doesn't show anything different from the open carrier in the picture. Am I supposed to notice clutch disks or anything through those holes?

05-16-2007, 10:04 PM	#10 (permalink)
TJVigilante Banned Join Date: Mar 2006 Member # 68805 Location: Cold ass Interior Alaska Posts: 1,281	I'm thinking of just going with a full spool... And I already removed the ring gear bolts...can't you see the picture?

05-18-2007, 01:38 AM	#12 (permalink)
TJVigilante Banned Join Date: Mar 2006 Member # 68805 Location: Cold ass Interior Alaska Posts: 1,281	Actually it was there, but the link seemed to be bad. I edited it with another URL but it looked to be the same. I'll run out and get a chisel tomorrow and see if it works.