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Old 04-01-2008, 06:54 PM   #1 (permalink)
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which battery should i get?

which optima red top should i get

the 710cca 910ca for $130 at costco

or the 800CCA 1000CA for $179 at trucksmart
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Old 04-01-2008, 07:01 PM   #2 (permalink)
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i would go with a yellow top optima i have one and like it
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Old 04-01-2008, 07:03 PM   #3 (permalink)
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I've been hearing some bad juju about the "newer" Optima batteries.

I bought my yellow top"Deep cycle" back in 2001. and since then to this day, that thing is just as strong as it was over 7 years ago. But I have heard about people buying these optimas about 2-3 years ago and swear they are CRAP??!!

If you get anything, get the yellow top. or better yet, the blue top"Marine" edition.

there are other solid state batteries on the market. Might want to do more research. Go to a professional Car Audio Store. they know what works and is effecient. thats where i bought my yellow top as well as brand new connectors, power lead wires, ground wires and all. So on top of my battery, I have high quality wires and gold lined connections on my power wire and ground wire.

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Optima's quality went to hell. Thier batteries are junk now.
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The Pro Comp batts are the old-style Optima If you can find them that is...they go in and out of stock quickly.
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Old 04-02-2008, 09:31 AM   #6 (permalink)
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I work for a company that produces high-end batteries used in everything from drag race, to desert race, stadium trucks, world rally challenge, etc...

My batteries, like Optima, use AGM (absorbed glass mat) technology origionally developed for the military. This means that there is no fluid to leak out (not that we would ever find ourselves upside-down ) and you get more output per pound. The electrolyte is suspended in a silcate gel, then soaked into fiberglass mats pressed inbetween the lead plates.

The difference between a starting and deep cylce battery (red and yellow top) is the thickness of the plates. Thicker for more reserve and deep charge cycle resiliency, and thinner plates for starting (quick high amp discharge and shallow charging cycle) The marine batteries are a in-beetween the two, so they can survive deep charging cycles but still have good cranking power.

All of my batteries are a "hybrid" similar to the blue top optima, so you get the best of both worlds. The primary reason why our batteries are so kick ass is because we don't have the unused space between spiral cells (more lead in the same size battery) and we use 99.98% virgin lead (no recycled junk) so our output is much higher for the same weight. We also have bullet proof steel cases that surround a super thick plastic case, so they are almost indestructable on the trail.

I can answer any battery/alternator questions for you, regardless of who's battery you decide to use.

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Old 04-02-2008, 10:08 PM   #7 (permalink)
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I have had a yellow top in mine for 2 years with no trouble but I had a red top before that didnt last a year. if the yellow top goes I might have to try out the xs power batts next. Do you have any dealers in AZ
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i went with a yellow top $162 at costco
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I've heard several complaints about the Optima red tops, I've never had any problems. I'm currently running a dual set up with two 75/25's (red tops) for the "just in case" factor...

Are you guys (who are having problems) running a bunch of accessories, or doing alot of winching? I'm just wondering what may be the cause of the failures
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I find the main cause of failure is based on your leads.

I've seen some quality batteries on some rigs, but the power/ground leads from the Batt are horrible

That was why I had my power and ground leads replaced with the best stuff I could find. That could be a factor why I don't have any problems to this day.

If you use alot of accessories, you gotta wire it correctly. I have a one distrubution block wired directly to my battery that can hook up 4 accessories(currently running only one)

So one large wire coming off the battery to a properly maintained distribution will help in the life of the battery. I have seen up to 6-7 connections directly to the battery

As for winching, good rule of thumb is never winch with the engine off. Never load up the winch under extreme stress. I run a warn 8000, and when I had to use it, I bumped on the in button. I did not stay on the button and dragged my jeep like I've seen.

Its all about power management.

If you got one guy with every possible thing on, dragging his junk using the winch, the engine is off, and he kills his battery. Well . . . He is just stupid and he deserves it.
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Take a strong look at Exide's gel battery offering, also sold under Napa label. Had one since '02, winched it dead twice, don't ask, and it came right back. I'll surely buy another. Mine is 1000 CCA's
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X2 what jpfrk2001 said...
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I like the everstart MAXX-1N from wallmart for less than $70 and it has over 900CCA. Ive had three now I need to start keeping them when I change vehicles but I have used them for as long as 4 years no trouble that how long before I sold it. The other two I sold the vehicle before I had problems and the third is in my truck now going on 2.5 years
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I have a battery setup question that might help make up your mind. What would be better, one Optima or a dual battery setup using two "normal" batterys say around 700 cca? This will be for winching, and running two 150w offroad lights.(In my case) Would this be a good setup for someone that has an extra battery around? or even going and buying a 40$ battery instead of a 160.00+$ I know the draw backs would be weight, and making a mount...
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The two wall mart flooded type batteries will outperform a single optima battery, but you still have to worry about getting that acid all over you in a rollover, collision, or alternator failure. AGM batteries are well worth it for longevity, safetey, and performance.

You guys should be carefull comparing batteries by CCA (cold cranking amps) Take it from me, there are a million ways to manipulate those #'s. We sued some people for making claims about their batteries that wern't true, and had BCI (Battery Council International) do the independant testing for the suit. Our batteries have slightly lower #'s because our batteries were the ONLY battereis that 100% met or exceeded what we advertise.

Why can't people just be honest

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I have a battery setup question that might help make up your mind. What would be better, one Optima or a dual battery setup using two "normal" batterys say around 700 cca? This will be for winching, and running two 150w offroad lights.(In my case) Would this be a good setup for someone that has an extra battery around? or even going and buying a 40$ battery instead of a 160.00+$ I know the draw backs would be weight, and making a mount...


dont forget the alt has to charge both then so more stress on that and the more power you need from the alt the more hp it takes to spin it. i did what you wanted to do a while back on a 78 f150, i use 2 cheap walmart batteries and ran the second one off a selonoid(sp?) so it would be isolated from the other one till i flipped a toggle switch, worked fine for 2 years before i got rid of the truck
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I find the main cause of failure is based on your leads.
Two jeeps, both with good electrical systems.

YJ w/ dual yellow tops circa 2001/2002. They would have no issues supplying power to the winch and drag the winch around engine off. They got to 6yo and they were killed off for high amperage draws through pure abuse. They are supplying a 19' travel trailer power now.

TJ w/ one red top circa 2006. It was shelved for a year, charged, and installed. The winch stalled out LONG before the Jeeps 4 cylinder could stop pulling. Voltage drop instantly to 9v the second it was under any load.

The red tops of the current era are complete and utter crap. Since they came from the same company, by extension, the only safe assumption you can make is that the new yellow tops and blue tops are too.

I'm now running wally world Everstart Maxx in all the vehicles at home. I'll see how they are doing in my jeep after this next year. I'm not worried about the acid spilling out, I've been around several rigs that have gone on their lid or flopped and I haven't seen anything come out of their batteries to date. Yes, it's more likely to happen than an AGM since an AGM can't, but it's not guaranteed to happen any time you roll either.

If walmart doesn't work out, I'll likely be going to Odysee ($$$$) for my most demanding vehicles.
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dont forget the alt has to charge both then so more stress on that
Not really.

If you have a 5A draw you have a 5A draw, one battery or two the alternator will be doing practically the same amount of work.
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I have heard good things about odyssey batteries. Might want to check them out, it is what I plan on running when I put some in the truggy.

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Something folks don't talk about much on dual battery setups, is making sure the batteries are matched up. If one ever goes bad, do not just replace just the one. The older battery may not be as strong and will always draw the new battery down to it and will cause the new one to fail faster. Just take the old good one out and keep it as a spare. I have seen this happen on lots of diesel pickups where farmers were being cheap and only replaced one.
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Also, the redtop/yellowtops are still good batteries. I bring atleast 5-10 back from the dead each week that the military mechanics throw out. I just put them on a good trickle charger for 48 hours and 90% come back to life.
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Something folks don't talk about much on dual battery setups, is making sure the batteries are matched up. If one ever goes bad, do not just replace just the one. The older battery may not be as strong and will always draw the new battery down to it and will cause the new one to fail faster. Just take the old good one out and keep it as a spare. I have seen this happen on lots of diesel pickups where farmers were being cheap and only replaced one.
This true if you connect your batteries in parallel, and leave them that way. If you isolate them via manual or electric disconnects, and only parallel them when you need momentary, extra boost, you can replace them one at a time.
I always discourage permanently connecting batteries in parallel.
If they're set up independent of each other, then you will need a battery isolator diode pack to charge them at the same time.
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don't believe the rumors about newer Optima's. I got the old and new redtops and I've been very happy (I just wish the prices didn't have to go up).

go for a Optima
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Yeah I believe if you leave your batterys hooked up all the time if one is lower/older/worn out then the other I can see where it might bring the other one down, but I do not think with a dual battery set up that your alt is going to work any harder.
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Optima's quality went to hell. Thier batteries are junk now.
I agree. My brother and I go through several rigs. We used to put optimas in them feeling that they were the best. Well in the last 3 years, we have warrentied 8 of them in 3 different rigs. They are junk. Buy something else.
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