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b_rine · 12-12-2008, 05:56 AM

Ok I am looking into upgrading my D44's a set of 1 tons. I will need a pass drop. i know where I can get a set of 60's locally but I am not positive what they are worth. Also, what changes will need to be made to a rear axle from a dually? Are there certain year models that are better suited and more desirable? Thanks in advance for the help!

GreatWhiteXJ · 12-12-2008, 06:32 AM

What kind of vehicle is this all goin in?
What year front 60 are you looking at?
The rear 60 is not worth the time or money to overhaul.....look for a 14 bolt. You should be able to find one for pratically free.

b_rine · 12-12-2008, 08:10 AM

going in a TJ. SBC, th350, 205.

The D60 front is coming out of a mid-seventies model tow truck

HAPPYJOHN · 12-12-2008, 08:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GreatWhiteXJ

What kind of vehicle is this all goin in?
What year front 60 are you looking at?
The rear 60 is not worth the time or money to overhaul.....look for a 14 bolt. You should be able to find one for pratically free.

X2 on the 14 bolt. we need more info on your rig.

b_rine · 12-12-2008, 09:19 AM

what kind of info. running custom 4 link. coils. drivetrain info above.

also, how will the stock shafts and joints of a 60 hold up. I am asking bc I am currently running d44 front from a j10. 4340 shafts and super joints. I am not gonna have the funds to build these before I wheel in them. So am I going backwards?

GreatWhiteXJ · 12-12-2008, 09:22 PM

We want the specifics of the axles and suspension. LIke specifically the year of 60 you have access too. This will tell us important things to know...if its pre 78...then its a giant turd and not worth time to spit on.

Your axle shaft question relates to your intented tire size. All 60's your gonna look (that will be worth a crap) at will have 35 spline inners wich is a huge upgrade from a 44, even a cromo shaft. However your stub will be a 30 spline and 1.31 dia...same as inner 44 shaft. The u-joint is a 1480. Its a pretty big joint. If your run a cromo stub and a beefy u-joint Id said youd be fairly safe with 39-40 ish tires. 42 will definatly require a 35 stub ugrade if you like the skinny pedal. And you are most definatly NOT going backwards....a 60 even in stock form is a GIANT upgrade from a 44. That is however provided this is a desired axle. Think beyond just axleshafts.

GreatWhiteXJ · 12-12-2008, 09:38 PM

Just so you know here's a list of what youd be able to work with in order from the best option to the one that will require a little extra trimming and fab work to get a coil to fit driver side.

78-79 Kingpin From 250 Super Cab or Snow Fighter
85 Kingpin from F350
92-98 Ball Joint From F350
00-current Balljoint from F350 and some F250
04-current Balljoint from F450 or F550.... (these bitches are HUGE but already have 35 spline outters wich could be an advantage for some guys)

If you intend to run a doubler like a 203/205 then you'll prolly have a clocking ring ....and then your open to an entirly diffrent set of 60 options. And chebby 60's seem way cheeper than ford 60's in my neighborhood.

varsis · 12-12-2008, 10:43 PM

he needs passenger side drop... but yea, i would look for a d60, but first check out the d60 bible and look for the 35/30 spline combo years/models. I got a 35/30 from a f-350 front snowfighter. damn thing is huge, and going under a dakota lol. Lots of people I have talked actually use a 44 and they hold to their daily stuff. But a d60 is going to be strong.

GreatWhiteXJ · 12-13-2008, 11:30 PM

Whoops Pass side...my bad.

Look for 79-91.5 (I think) Chevy CUCV'c, K-30's and V-30's.
Or theres a TON of diffrent Dodge models (not all that I know about) that would work too.

COMPLETLY avoid pre 78.

mudskipper4x4 · 12-14-2008, 10:42 PM

First I'd read the dana 60 bible and learn some of the differences between some of the 60's. Then just keep your eyes out for one thats in decent shape and not too expensive. I just bought a set of axles front 60 and rear dana 70 from an 81 chevy dually for 450, pretty good deal I think. And I would go with a 14 bolt also for the rear.

GMCTruxrule · 12-14-2008, 11:41 PM

GM 60s started use in 77 not 79.

12-12-2008, 05:56 AM	#1 (permalink)
b_rine Registered User Join Date: Sep 2008 Member # 120434 Posts: 133	1 ton question Ok I am looking into upgrading my D44's a set of 1 tons. I will need a pass drop. i know where I can get a set of 60's locally but I am not positive what they are worth. Also, what changes will need to be made to a rear axle from a dually? Are there certain year models that are better suited and more desirable? Thanks in advance for the help!

12-12-2008, 06:32 AM	#2 (permalink)
GreatWhiteXJ Registered User Join Date: Nov 2007 Member # 103442 Location: Northern Crawlorado Posts: 2,662	What kind of vehicle is this all goin in? What year front 60 are you looking at? The rear 60 is not worth the time or money to overhaul.....look for a 14 bolt. You should be able to find one for pratically free. __________________ XJ on 42's

12-12-2008, 09:22 PM	#6 (permalink)
GreatWhiteXJ Registered User Join Date: Nov 2007 Member # 103442 Location: Northern Crawlorado Posts: 2,662	We want the specifics of the axles and suspension. LIke specifically the year of 60 you have access too. This will tell us important things to know...if its pre 78...then its a giant turd and not worth time to spit on. Your axle shaft question relates to your intented tire size. All 60's your gonna look (that will be worth a crap) at will have 35 spline inners wich is a huge upgrade from a 44, even a cromo shaft. However your stub will be a 30 spline and 1.31 dia...same as inner 44 shaft. The u-joint is a 1480. Its a pretty big joint. If your run a cromo stub and a beefy u-joint Id said youd be fairly safe with 39-40 ish tires. 42 will definatly require a 35 stub ugrade if you like the skinny pedal. And you are most definatly NOT going backwards....a 60 even in stock form is a GIANT upgrade from a 44. That is however provided this is a desired axle. Think beyond just axleshafts. __________________ XJ on 42's Last edited by GreatWhiteXJ; 12-12-2008 at 09:39 PM.

12-12-2008, 09:38 PM	#7 (permalink)
GreatWhiteXJ Registered User Join Date: Nov 2007 Member # 103442 Location: Northern Crawlorado Posts: 2,662	Just so you know here's a list of what youd be able to work with in order from the best option to the one that will require a little extra trimming and fab work to get a coil to fit driver side. 78-79 Kingpin From 250 Super Cab or Snow Fighter 85 Kingpin from F350 92-98 Ball Joint From F350 00-current Balljoint from F350 and some F250 04-current Balljoint from F450 or F550.... (these bitches are HUGE but already have 35 spline outters wich could be an advantage for some guys) If you intend to run a doubler like a 203/205 then you'll prolly have a clocking ring ....and then your open to an entirly diffrent set of 60 options. And chebby 60's seem way cheeper than ford 60's in my neighborhood. __________________ XJ on 42's

12-12-2008, 10:43 PM	#8 (permalink)
varsis Registered User Join Date: Jun 2008 Member # 115241 Location: Alberta Canada Posts: 606	he needs passenger side drop... but yea, i would look for a d60, but first check out the d60 bible and look for the 35/30 spline combo years/models. I got a 35/30 from a f-350 front snowfighter. damn thing is huge, and going under a dakota lol. Lots of people I have talked actually use a 44 and they hold to their daily stuff. But a d60 is going to be strong. __________________ 1997 Dakota, 4x4 green almost on 38's with 5.38 gears! and shift kit, with 5.9L mag. 64" deavers rear. [URL="http://4wheelin.ca"]http://4wheelin.ca[/URL]

12-12-2008, 08:10 AM	#3 (permalink)
b_rine Registered User Join Date: Sep 2008 Member # 120434 Posts: 133	going in a TJ. SBC, th350, 205. The D60 front is coming out of a mid-seventies model tow truck

12-12-2008, 09:19 AM	#5 (permalink)
b_rine Registered User Join Date: Sep 2008 Member # 120434 Posts: 133	what kind of info. running custom 4 link. coils. drivetrain info above. also, how will the stock shafts and joints of a 60 hold up. I am asking bc I am currently running d44 front from a j10. 4340 shafts and super joints. I am not gonna have the funds to build these before I wheel in them. So am I going backwards?

12-13-2008, 11:30 PM	#9 (permalink)
GreatWhiteXJ Registered User Join Date: Nov 2007 Member # 103442 Location: Northern Crawlorado Posts: 2,662	Whoops Pass side...my bad. Look for 79-91.5 (I think) Chevy CUCV'c, K-30's and V-30's. Or theres a TON of diffrent Dodge models (not all that I know about) that would work too. COMPLETLY avoid pre 78. __________________ XJ on 42's

12-14-2008, 10:42 PM	#10 (permalink)
mudskipper4x4 AllUpInYourFace Join Date: May 2006 Member # 72951 Location: in a van down by the river Posts: 1,629	First I'd read the dana 60 bible and learn some of the differences between some of the 60's. Then just keep your eyes out for one thats in decent shape and not too expensive. I just bought a set of axles front 60 and rear dana 70 from an 81 chevy dually for 450, pretty good deal I think. And I would go with a 14 bolt also for the rear.

12-14-2008, 11:41 PM	#11 (permalink)
GMCTruxrule Registered User Join Date: Aug 2005 Member # 51243 Location: Tropical Paradise Posts: 3,410	GM 60s started use in 77 not 79. __________________ [COLOR="Lime"][B]1999 Chevy K3500, 5.7/4L80E/14FF/stock/stock/stock[/B][/COLOR]

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