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rrockjumper · 02-04-2011, 01:10 PM

3800 Buick supercharge 99 have a turbo 350 need info on adapter to fit the transmission & have someone do the electrical wiring for my buggy/rock crawler (it is a transverse "front wheel" drive motor so I will need an adapter to fit on the turbo 350)

mudtoy67 · 02-04-2011, 02:06 PM

search general4x4 for the "3800". You'll turn up the 3800 bible thread and several other really good threads.

-TAYLOR · 02-05-2011, 06:31 PM

I have a 97 3800 and am using an aw4 tranny(1991-2001 cherokee) and a dana 300. No adapters needed and because the tranny uses electric solinoids you can have a revers valve body if you buy an aftermarket shifter.

Just another route
cheers

mudtoy67 · 02-07-2011, 05:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by -TAYLOR

I have a 97 3800 and am using an aw4 tranny(1991-2001 cherokee) and a dana 300. No adapters needed and because the tranny uses electric solinoids you can have a revers valve body if you buy an aftermarket shifter.

Just another route
cheers

It's important to mention here that it would have to be the AW4 that came behind the AMC 2.5L 4 cylinder. The one behind the 4.0 I6 has a different bellhousing.

rrockjumper · 02-10-2011, 09:44 PM

Thanks for your help!! I found an adapter from Bendtsons Speed Gems now I am needing info on the electrical wiring harness out of the Buick Regal to simplify it so it will adapt over to the rock crawler.

Krod · 02-20-2011, 06:52 PM

What year is your harness/ECU?

I have the pin-outs for most of them and can walk you through what you do and do not need to get the engine up and running.

Follow my thread here:
/forum/jeep-hardcore-tech/872757-overdrive-yj.html

3800 Bible:
/forum/general-4x4-discussion/841159-3800-bible.html

00Wildcat · 02-20-2011, 08:50 PM

904 from '84-'86 2.8 cherokee is 4.75" shorter than th350 AA dana 300 adapter combo. I got ECM from Loyde at FastFieros cheaper for custom tuning buggy stuff than ZZP and Intense. You want a '99-'03 GTP harness is simplest but any '98 up pcm series ii should work. '96 and some '97 pcm's are 256K and the '98 and newer are 512k speed. If you are dead set on a th350 I have a perfect AA dana 300 adapter I'll take $350 shipped for. Speedwaymotors has your 3800 to Chevy trans adapter for like $65

mudtoy67 · 02-21-2011, 06:16 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mudtoy67

It's important to mention here that it would have to be the AW4 that came behind the AMC 2.5L 4 cylinder. The one behind the 4.0 I6 has a different bellhousing.

Glad this thread came back up, I need to correct myself. I was just looking through the 3800 bible thread the other day and realized there's another option. To use a later model AW4 you can swap the bellhousing with one from an Isuzu 3.5L rodeo automatic transmission.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Krod

Some RWD transmission info for the 3800 L67:

The L67 and other GM engines with the 60 deg pattern will bolt up to an Aisin Warner automatic with the correct bellhousing. And because Toyota used the A340e (a variant of the AW4 in Jeeps), it can also be used since it is essentially the same transmission.

The bellhousing needed is a factory Isuzu part. Because GM and Isuzu are in bed with each other, the 3.5L v6 in the late model rodeos shares the gm 60 deg pattern with the 3.1, 3.4, and 3.8L Chevy Engines (even though the 3.8L L67 is a 90 deg engine). AND because Aisin Warner made the trans for the rodeo (essentially an AW4), it all bolts together with only a small spacer for the torque converter mounting bolts. The AW4 has proven itself behind a few turbo 4.0L's (Corey's) and is a variant of the trans in the turbo supra (big power potential). Lots of good stuff in there, it just hates heat. Keep it cool and you've got a bulletproof trans.

I'm honestly surprised the XJ guys haven't caught on to the GM 3.8L family yet...

There is also a semi-common 700r4 with the 60 deg bell from some 2.8L S10's I believe, but I'm not that knowledgeable on that particular setup.

The thread covering the build of my YJ with a L67 mated to an AW4 on PGH-offroad for future reference.
http://www.pgh-offroad.com/forum/showthread.php?t=10901

Thanks Krod!

dozer_xj · 02-21-2011, 10:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mudtoy67

It's important to mention here that it would have to be the AW4 that came behind the AMC 2.5L 4 cylinder. The one behind the 4.0 I6 has a different bellhousing.

does a 2.5 amc have a 60 degree gm bellhousing pattern?

if so i could take one and put it on my 4.0 aw4 and not worry about Isuzu parts.

dozer_xj · 02-21-2011, 10:11 PM

looks like google found my answer

Quote:

GM metric pattern
Also called the GM small corporate pattern and the S10 pattern
This pattern has a distinctive odd-sided hexagonal shape.

GM 2.8/3.1/3.4 L V6 (also used by AMC)
Buick 3300/3800 V6
Cadillac 4.1/4.5/4.9 L V8
Isuzu 3.5L DOHC V6
AMC/Chrysler 2.5L I4 found in Jeep Cherokee, Comanche, Wagoneer, CJ and Wrangler and Dodge Dakota
GM Iron Duke/Tech-4 2.5L I4
GM "122" 1.8/2.0/2.2 L I4
GM 5.3L LS4 V8
[edit] Northstar patternNearly identical to the GM small corporate/metric pattern, except that the starter is located between the cylinder banks, and the lower right bolt hole is moved outward by roughly one inch. Being nearly identical, it too has the distinctive odd-sided hexagonal shape. These engines can be fitted in Rear Wheel Drive vehicles with the right bellhousing and are used in hot rods, kit cars, sand rails and late model engine swaps.

All Cadillac Northstar V8's
Oldsmobile Aurora L47 V8
Oldsmobile Intrigue LX5 V6

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...using_patterns

dozer_xj · 02-23-2011, 04:03 PM

So I was searching for 3.5L isuzu transmisions on ebay and a whole bunch of hummer, colorado and canyon tansmisions came up and the ads said said fits Isuzus also. INTERESTING! Put in a 3800 motor with a 3.5 colorado bellhousing and jeep aw4?

EDIT: Looks like the trans in a colorado is a 4l60E, and the 3.5s are not the same. From what I understand (which could be wrong) The 4l60E wil lbolt to a 3800, but you cant use its bellhousing to bolt the motor to an aw4.

rrockjumper · 02-24-2011, 11:54 PM

The engine I have is out of a Regal GS 99 as far as I’ve gotten is pulled the motor out of the car it is still attached to the trans I haven’t had anytime to separate it yet but I’m working on it any info on hooking up the electrical wiring would be great I have a turbo 350 with a atlas 3.8,running Dyno trac pro rock sixty’s with walker Evans bead locks and red label 39 crawlers. I originally had a 85 3.8 Buick sequential injection motor it will be nice to get my rig running again to see the power difference its going to be nice.

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02-10-2011, 09:44 PM	#5 (permalink)
rrockjumper Registered User Join Date: Aug 2006 Member # 78258 Posts: 2	Thanks for your help!! I found an adapter from Bendtsons Speed Gems now I am needing info on the electrical wiring harness out of the Buick Regal to simplify it so it will adapt over to the rock crawler.

02-20-2011, 06:52 PM	#6 (permalink)
Krod Wheeler Join Date: May 2005 Member # 47454 Location: Pennsylvania Posts: 234	What year is your harness/ECU? I have the pin-outs for most of them and can walk you through what you do and do not need to get the engine up and running. Follow my thread here: /forum/jeep-hardcore-tech/872757-overdrive-yj.html 3800 Bible: /forum/general-4x4-discussion/841159-3800-bible.html

02-20-2011, 08:50 PM	#7 (permalink)
00Wildcat Wheeler Join Date: Nov 2007 Member # 103279 Posts: 188	904 from '84-'86 2.8 cherokee is 4.75" shorter than th350 AA dana 300 adapter combo. I got ECM from Loyde at FastFieros cheaper for custom tuning buggy stuff than ZZP and Intense. You want a '99-'03 GTP harness is simplest but any '98 up pcm series ii should work. '96 and some '97 pcm's are 256K and the '98 and newer are 512k speed. If you are dead set on a th350 I have a perfect AA dana 300 adapter I'll take $350 shipped for. Speedwaymotors has your 3800 to Chevy trans adapter for like $65

02-24-2011, 11:54 PM	#12 (permalink)
rrockjumper Registered User Join Date: Aug 2006 Member # 78258 Posts: 2	The engine I have is out of a Regal GS 99 as far as I’ve gotten is pulled the motor out of the car it is still attached to the trans I haven’t had anytime to separate it yet but I’m working on it any info on hooking up the electrical wiring would be great I have a turbo 350 with a atlas 3.8,running Dyno trac pro rock sixty’s with walker Evans bead locks and red label 39 crawlers. I originally had a 85 3.8 Buick sequential injection motor it will be nice to get my rig running again to see the power difference its going to be nice.