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07-21-2014 01:31 AM
Xteror1 The US doesn't get the Patrol, unless it's old and/or imported.
07-18-2014 02:30 PM
BigBudv12 Hi,

sorry to digg this old post up, but there was some interesting information here and i loike to know something for shure.

I am considering buying a nissan patrol from 2006 to 2008 in europe.

Is this patrol identical in axles and frame compared to australian/US-models?

Is the short frame as strong as the long one?

And are the axles&frame of those last patrol models equal in strenght to those of a jeep wrangler rubicon??

Greetings
08-23-2012 09:00 AM
SteeevO
Quote:
Originally Posted by fathillbilly View Post
....i read someone saying the toyota gear is stronger, sorry mate but no, you are wrong. The drive line out of the 60 series is close, but nothing i've seen come from toyota has ever got close to the y60 - y61...
I like this guy, he knows whats up.
08-03-2012 07:06 PM
nissannut Good stuff. I love the h233s.
08-03-2012 05:52 AM
fathillbilly I'm an Aussie, and have worked on Nissan Patrols for over 20 years (i just worked out I'm old)

The full floater came out in the H260 rear of the leaf sprung patrol tray, (Cab Chassis, pick up), although most of the early H233's are drum brake while the later are disc brake.

As far as the H233 you guys are talking about they are the same as the front Y60 - Y61 patrol, which is "BASICALLY" the same as the Pathfinder/ Hard body rear. 31 spline

The Patrol H233 rear has 33 spline axle these are 33mm @ the splines and increase quickly to over 40mm through the rest of the axle.

The H260 is a monster, and bloody heavy, in the early version Y60 they have a round "pumpkin" while the later have the bottom of the housing shaved off and have almost the same clearance as a H233, the axles start @ 38mm and increase to around 50mm in Diameter.

As for the strength of the axle, nothing is unbreakable, although i have seen the Rear H233 33 spline stand up to a lot of punishment, Supercharged LS1's, twin turbo LS1's, Duramax diesel, and a lot of other motor producing well over 500Hp.

I read someone saying the Toyota gear is stronger, sorry mate but no, you are wrong. The drive line out of the 60 series is close, but nothing I've seen come from Toyota has ever got close to the Y60 - Y61.

Dana drive train different story, although, i would have to say the Patrol H233 drive train is better than standard Dana 44 drive train

Below is care of ARB it is their locker application guide.

Y61, Patrol GU
Front
1998 on
H233B
32.0 (1.26")
31
All
RD1364,6


Rear
1998 on
H233B 'small'
33.3 (1.31")
33
All
RD1353,6


1998 on
H260 'large', 37 spline
38.4 (1.51")
37
All
RD2153,4


H260 'large', 34 spline, full-floating
34.8 (1.37")
34
All
RD2143
Y60, Patrol GQ
Front
1988-98
H233B,31 SPL
32.0 (1.26")
31
All
RD1364,6


Rear
1988-98
H233B,33 SPL
33.3 (1.31")
33
All
RD1353,6


1988-98
H260, leaf sprung cab chassis & utility
38.4 (1.51")
37
All
RD2154
08-02-2012 09:51 AM
Dion4x4 I was able to break 1 y60 CV joint with 37 inch fedima sirocco tires in 3 years of extreme mudding.
The Y61 cv joint has been cut, to fit into the axle housing


Y61 housing vs Y60 housing, also bigger driveshaft mounts to fit the way bigger/stronger/heavyer drive shafts


Did not break a driveshaft or diff, but managed to break 3 transfer-case's.. The belt started slipping over the gears..



new one:
08-02-2012 09:51 AM
Dion4x4 Y60 Sattelite wheels from a rear H233b




Y61 front axle: 8 cm wider then Y60. (bigger Velocity joints)


Old Y60 axle (400.000km and hardcore off-road abusement)


Rusty one is Y60 front (32mm), shiny one is Y61 rear (34mm)



Nissan vs Suzuki

Left is Y60, Right is Y61, much much bigger!
08-02-2012 09:42 AM
Dion4x4 Maybe some usefull info:

In Europe we have the 'old' nissan r160, R260( SWB), and W160, W260 (LWB)
not the strongest axles, break easly when 33' or bigger is fitted.
These axels are perfect for suzuki, the axles will hold up to 37 inch.

The nissan Y60 and Y61 have H233b axles, Y60 is made from 89 till 98.
Y61 is made from 98 to 2005

I have a Y60 with Y61 axles, because the front axle is stronger.




LS = Limited slip. 37:8 = 4.625 = Y60 gearing.
LS = Limited slip. 37:9 = 4.11 = Y61 Gearing (guessing it has to do with the 3.0 commonrail diesel)

Axle housing is the same in size, y61 is stronger at some places.

Y60/Y61 axle weights 136 kilogram

empty axle = 32 kg
diff clock = 40 kg
2x axle shaft + wheel hub = 34kg
Brake disks = 20kg
brake calliper = 10kg


Limited slip diff, Old R LSD's are smaller then Y60 and Y61



Small R differential vs Y60 diff, bearings are the same though.
07-22-2012 12:27 AM
87pathbuildup So are there any 31 spline chromo shafts in production?
06-12-2012 09:38 AM
nissannut
Quote:
Originally Posted by XterraGuy View Post
There were FF 31-spline H233s in the USA under the dually 1-ton Hardbody trucks from the 80s.
88 and 89. I drove a few when I worked at a few dealers delivering parts in 1989. The dealers used them for Wholesale Body part deliveries and engines. They raised up the rear which screwed up the Nissan braking (NLSV) and the rear brakes would wear out real fast. So I think thats why they did not last long.




06-09-2012 09:56 AM
XterraGuy There were FF 31-spline H233s in the USA under the dually 1-ton Hardbody trucks from the 80s.
06-02-2012 01:25 PM
RMP&O
Quote:
Originally Posted by stimpy View Post
you can get a h260 with 35 spline and a 37 spline also one is a full floater here is oz
And in select markets in the world the H233 was sold as a FF.

And if Nissan axles are junk why is it that 80-90% of all race trucks in Oz run them?
05-31-2012 06:16 PM
XterraGuy There are no gears of note for the H260, they have less clearance, and as I understand it they're pretty darn heavy vs. an H233.
05-27-2012 08:27 PM
SteeevO What did the 37 spline ones come in?
05-25-2012 02:40 AM
stimpy you can get a h260 with 35 spline and a 37 spline also one is a full floater here is oz
03-12-2012 03:32 PM
SteeevO http://ruggedrocksoffroad.com/nissan...e-p-36077.html
01-08-2010 08:29 PM
nissannut Very cool mark!!! Yeah there is no diamond version. Just an idea, that could it could be done. I like the look of the h233 personally.
01-08-2010 08:28 PM
markrobinson

here's some steering progress and the truss on the above axle.
01-08-2010 08:22 PM
markrobinson
Quote:
Originally Posted by nissannut View Post
I am not that familiar with the dana 60 stuff. I like the 6 lug stuff.

Have you seen this h233 front?

http://ruggedrocksoffroad.com/blog/2...le-by-diamond/
That's a Toyota axle in the pic. The axle doesn't exist, it's a pipe dream that dude is trying to build buzz for so people will want them and get diamond's attention.

Here's my h233b front in progress:



60 outers are the way to go.
01-08-2010 05:43 PM
nissannut
Quote:
Originally Posted by sasfrontier View Post
They don't make a hp third for the h233. You could flip one if you were going to go with mog outers but then the gearing would be to much.
Sure Nissan does. They having been using solid axles in the front of the Patrols for years. Still do today. Just not in the US.





01-08-2010 04:03 PM
sasfrontier They don't make a hp third for the h233. You could flip one if you were going to go with mog outers but then the gearing would be to much.
01-08-2010 12:54 PM
berardj
Quote:
Originally Posted by nissannut View Post
I have to agree with NissanRondo. If you replace everything its not a ford 9" anymore.

I still love my h233s. I would still buy chromolys also. I love the plug and play disc brake axles. Still never had any issues with a h233 in the numerous nissans I have owned since 1985. I have blown up a few h190s back in my younger days in 620 and 720s. But that was only spiders gears.

I still want a h233 hi pinion or low pinion front axle. But that would not be cost effective yet. But if and when they make custom housing to run h233 thirds with dana 44 outers. That would be awesome!!!
i would love love love a 233 front axle... HP only tho
01-08-2010 12:22 PM
nissancrawler
Quote:
Originally Posted by nissannut View Post
I am not that familiar with the dana 60 stuff. I like the 6 lug stuff.

Have you seen this h233 front?

http://ruggedrocksoffroad.com/blog/2...le-by-diamond/
I have 6 lug dana 60 outers front and rear.



01-08-2010 10:49 AM
nissannut I am not that familiar with the dana 60 stuff. I like the 6 lug stuff.

Have you seen this h233 front?

http://ruggedrocksoffroad.com/blog/2...le-by-diamond/
01-08-2010 10:09 AM
boardbysled
Quote:
Originally Posted by nissannut View Post
I still want a h233 hi pinion or low pinion front axle. But that would not be cost effective yet. But if and when they make custom housing to run h233 thirds with dana 44 outers. That would be awesome!!!
Why not run 60 outers? I mean if your gonna build a hybrid axle, may as well build it as tough as you can. My $0.02

I have tinkered with the idea of building a full float H233b using 14 bolt hubs and spindles and 14 bolt axle shafts splined down, then using a 33 spline H233b, it would not be that tough, an could be done for relativley low price. Ballistic Fab now sells weld in chromolly spindles. It always comes back to the gearing, if gears were cheaper, this hybrid axle may be a bit more affordable.

And if someone made a aftermarket housing for using a H233b third member, it would be just as easy to build a hybrid front axle.
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