|07-21-2014 12:31 AM|
|Xteror1||The US doesn't get the Patrol, unless it's old and/or imported.|
|07-18-2014 01:30 PM|
sorry to digg this old post up, but there was some interesting information here and i loike to know something for shure.
I am considering buying a nissan patrol from 2006 to 2008 in europe.
Is this patrol identical in axles and frame compared to australian/US-models?
Is the short frame as strong as the long one?
And are the axles&frame of those last patrol models equal in strenght to those of a jeep wrangler rubicon??
|08-23-2012 08:00 AM|
|08-03-2012 06:06 PM|
|nissannut||Good stuff. I love the h233s.|
|08-03-2012 04:52 AM|
I'm an Aussie, and have worked on Nissan Patrols for over 20 years (i just worked out I'm old)
The full floater came out in the H260 rear of the leaf sprung patrol tray, (Cab Chassis, pick up), although most of the early H233's are drum brake while the later are disc brake.
As far as the H233 you guys are talking about they are the same as the front Y60 - Y61 patrol, which is "BASICALLY" the same as the Pathfinder/ Hard body rear. 31 spline
The Patrol H233 rear has 33 spline axle these are 33mm @ the splines and increase quickly to over 40mm through the rest of the axle.
The H260 is a monster, and bloody heavy, in the early version Y60 they have a round "pumpkin" while the later have the bottom of the housing shaved off and have almost the same clearance as a H233, the axles start @ 38mm and increase to around 50mm in Diameter.
As for the strength of the axle, nothing is unbreakable, although i have seen the Rear H233 33 spline stand up to a lot of punishment, Supercharged LS1's, twin turbo LS1's, Duramax diesel, and a lot of other motor producing well over 500Hp.
I read someone saying the Toyota gear is stronger, sorry mate but no, you are wrong. The drive line out of the 60 series is close, but nothing I've seen come from Toyota has ever got close to the Y60 - Y61.
Dana drive train different story, although, i would have to say the Patrol H233 drive train is better than standard Dana 44 drive train
Below is care of ARB it is their locker application guide.
Y61, Patrol GU
H260 'large', 37 spline
H260 'large', 34 spline, full-floating
Y60, Patrol GQ
H260, leaf sprung cab chassis & utility
|08-02-2012 08:51 AM|
I was able to break 1 y60 CV joint with 37 inch fedima sirocco tires in 3 years of extreme mudding.
The Y61 cv joint has been cut, to fit into the axle housing
Y61 housing vs Y60 housing, also bigger driveshaft mounts to fit the way bigger/stronger/heavyer drive shafts
Did not break a driveshaft or diff, but managed to break 3 transfer-case's.. The belt started slipping over the gears..
|08-02-2012 08:51 AM|
Y60 Sattelite wheels from a rear H233b
Y61 front axle: 8 cm wider then Y60. (bigger Velocity joints)
Old Y60 axle (400.000km and hardcore off-road abusement)
Rusty one is Y60 front (32mm), shiny one is Y61 rear (34mm)
Nissan vs Suzuki
Left is Y60, Right is Y61, much much bigger!
|08-02-2012 08:42 AM|
Maybe some usefull info:
In Europe we have the 'old' nissan r160, R260( SWB), and W160, W260 (LWB)
not the strongest axles, break easly when 33' or bigger is fitted.
These axels are perfect for suzuki, the axles will hold up to 37 inch.
The nissan Y60 and Y61 have H233b axles, Y60 is made from 89 till 98.
Y61 is made from 98 to 2005
I have a Y60 with Y61 axles, because the front axle is stronger.
LS = Limited slip. 37:8 = 4.625 = Y60 gearing.
LS = Limited slip. 37:9 = 4.11 = Y61 Gearing (guessing it has to do with the 3.0 commonrail diesel)
Axle housing is the same in size, y61 is stronger at some places.
Y60/Y61 axle weights 136 kilogram
empty axle = 32 kg
diff clock = 40 kg
2x axle shaft + wheel hub = 34kg
Brake disks = 20kg
brake calliper = 10kg
Limited slip diff, Old R LSD's are smaller then Y60 and Y61
Small R differential vs Y60 diff, bearings are the same though.
|07-21-2012 11:27 PM|
|87pathbuildup||So are there any 31 spline chromo shafts in production?|
|06-12-2012 08:38 AM|
|06-09-2012 08:56 AM|
|XterraGuy||There were FF 31-spline H233s in the USA under the dually 1-ton Hardbody trucks from the 80s.|
|06-02-2012 12:25 PM|
And if Nissan axles are junk why is it that 80-90% of all race trucks in Oz run them?
|05-31-2012 05:16 PM|
|XterraGuy||There are no gears of note for the H260, they have less clearance, and as I understand it they're pretty darn heavy vs. an H233.|
|05-27-2012 07:27 PM|
|SteeevO||What did the 37 spline ones come in?|
|05-25-2012 01:40 AM|
|stimpy||you can get a h260 with 35 spline and a 37 spline also one is a full floater here is oz|
|03-12-2012 02:32 PM|
|01-08-2010 07:29 PM|
|nissannut||Very cool mark!!! Yeah there is no diamond version. Just an idea, that could it could be done. I like the look of the h233 personally.|
|01-08-2010 07:28 PM|
here's some steering progress and the truss on the above axle.
|01-08-2010 07:22 PM|
Here's my h233b front in progress:
60 outers are the way to go.
|01-08-2010 04:43 PM|
|01-08-2010 03:03 PM|
|sasfrontier||They don't make a hp third for the h233. You could flip one if you were going to go with mog outers but then the gearing would be to much.|
|01-08-2010 11:54 AM|
|01-08-2010 11:22 AM|
|01-08-2010 09:49 AM|
I am not that familiar with the dana 60 stuff. I like the 6 lug stuff.
Have you seen this h233 front?
|01-08-2010 09:09 AM|
I have tinkered with the idea of building a full float H233b using 14 bolt hubs and spindles and 14 bolt axle shafts splined down, then using a 33 spline H233b, it would not be that tough, an could be done for relativley low price. Ballistic Fab now sells weld in chromolly spindles. It always comes back to the gearing, if gears were cheaper, this hybrid axle may be a bit more affordable.
And if someone made a aftermarket housing for using a H233b third member, it would be just as easy to build a hybrid front axle.
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