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11-21-2014 03:38 AM
FC4X4
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Originally Posted by txwheeler View Post
I'm not sure if I overlooked it and missed it but can you please show some pictures and information7 of what all it took to move the rear axle back 3 inches to clear everything as far as gas tank mounting the frame side brackets and any other clearancing this entailed thank you love the build thread btw and is splitting the difference as far as inch and a half in the front inch and a half in the back a option to get a better weight balance or is the amount of work to clearance everything not worth it
Gerald is correct. We are not running a stock gas tank, or any tank that fits under the vehicle. We are using a JAZ 22 gallon fuel cell. Technical inspection requires that any tank have a bladder, so that rules out a lot of TJ/LJ specific tanks.

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As for stretching, our 3" stretch was accomplished by moving the rear link mounts & spring perches rearward. Stretching the front is very difficult with a pitman arm/drag link setup. You generally need full-hydro steering to get much stretch in the front.
11-19-2014 10:00 PM
Provelogear He's not running a stock gas tank.
11-19-2014 08:32 PM
txwheeler I'm not sure if I overlooked it and missed it but can you please show some pictures and information7 of what all it took to move the rear axle back 3 inches to clear everything as far as gas tank mounting the frame side brackets and any other clearancing this entailed thank you love the build thread btw and is splitting the difference as far as inch and a half in the front inch and a half in the back a option to get a better weight balance or is the amount of work to clearance everything not worth it
11-18-2014 08:08 PM
FC4X4 I had someone ask me... so what all have you done to your Jeep?

Well...

• 4.0L I-6 Stock Engine
• 42RLE Stock Automatic Transmission w/ B&M Transmission Cooler
• NP231 Transfer Case w/ Tom Wood’s Heavy Duty Output
• Moser Dana 60 Rear Axle – 35-spline Chromoly w/ Spool & Ford Disc Brakes
• Dynatrac Pro-Rock Dana 60 Front Axle – 35-spline Chromoly with Yukon Grizzly Locker
• 5.13 Yukon Gears, Superjoints, & Drive Flanges
• 35x13.5-15” BF Goodrich KX Krawler Tires
• 15x10 TrailReady Beadlocks
• Clayton Offroad Manufacturing 5.5” Pro Long-Arm Suspension with Skidplates
• Teraflex Bumpstops
• Currie Anti-Rock Swaybars
• Four Corners 4x4 Racing Cage, and Front & Rear Bumpers
• Superchips Traildash Vehicle Programmer and Monitor, & Trail Jammer Intake
• Tom Wood’s Custom Drive Shafts & Spares
• M.O.R.E. Motor Mounts, Block Brackets, Frame Tie-Ins, Dead Pedals, & 1” Body Lift.
• Savvy Off Road Aluminum Doors, Corners, Sliders, Tail-lights, and Rocker Rails.
• PSC Steering Pump, Gear, & Cooler
• Letzroll Offroad Custom 1 ¾” Solid Aluminum Tie-Rod w/ 7/8” Heims
• Bulldog Alpha 9300# Winch w/ Olympus Off Road Arachni Synthetic Rope
• Bilstein Remote-Reservoir Shocks
• 5lb CO2 Powertank
• Artec Industries Rear Axle Truss, Fuel Cell Bracket & Quart Crate
• RuffStuff Specialties Trick Tabs, Limiting Straps, & Rear Diff. Cover
• JAZ Products 22-Gallon Fuel Cell
• Corbeau Baja SS Ultrawide Seats
• RCI 5-Point Harnesses
• PRP Window Nets
• Hinchman Racewear Firesuit
• Pyrotect Helmet w/ Comm & Blower
• Coolshirt Blowers
• Lowrance Baja HDS-5 GPS
• Olympus Off Road Zeus LED Lighting
• Siren/PA System


THANKS TO ALL OF OUR MARKETING PARTNERS!
11-17-2014 11:46 AM
D_sach
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Originally Posted by Bowzer5 View Post
The only argument is that KOH gets way more impressions than any other race . . . arguably more impressions than other complete race series. I understand your decision on the financial side (aka large hole you shovel money into) but you're close enough, a days drive, where KOH makes sense.

Quantity of Events Vs quality of Events. That is always a debatable factor.
11-17-2014 08:02 AM
Bowzer5
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Originally Posted by FC4X4 View Post
We have a winner!

But seriously, we surveyed our fans and our marketing partners about what events we should consider for 2015... and they don't care.

I mean, they care; they want impressions, they want photos, they want us out there. But, I think if I can do five Dirt Riot Events or one KOH EMC, the greater value is participating in more events in more locations over a greater period of time.
The only argument is that KOH gets way more impressions than any other race . . . arguably more impressions than other complete race series. I understand your decision on the financial side (aka large hole you shovel money into) but you're close enough, a days drive, where KOH makes sense.
11-16-2014 03:45 PM
FC4X4 We have a winner!

But seriously, we surveyed our fans and our marketing partners about what events we should consider for 2015... and they don't care.

I mean, they care; they want impressions, they want photos, they want us out there. But, I think if I can do five Dirt Riot Events or one KOH EMC, the greater value is participating in more events in more locations over a greater period of time.
11-16-2014 08:37 AM
kurnal I don't see koh on that list
11-15-2014 09:47 PM
FC4X4 Crazy! It's been almost three months since updating the thread!

Not a lot happening with the rig lately, but we've pretty well got our short list of events decided for next year.

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As far as work in the shop; we have her torn down for a SEMA paint job, but then ended up not having a spot. She's still sitting unpainted for now while we plan our other upgrades before our first 2015 event in March.

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I still need a TJ/LJ windshield frame... anyone have one? Color/glass condition doesn't matter.

I also finally got around to installing my new 62mm Superchips Trail Jammer Throttle Body this weekend.

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08-23-2014 06:52 AM
FC4X4 Has everyone checked out our new team website?

Four Corners 4x4 | Jeeps, RAM Trucks, Rockcrawling, Off Road Racing

Keep up with our press releases, race photos, wheeling videos, and more.

08-22-2014 07:33 AM
FC4X4 Bingo! I think this is previous damage from the Colorado Springs race. In prepping for Cortez, we found leaking axle tubes in the rear with the bearings actually broken.

Guess I missed the crack.
08-22-2014 06:25 AM
inphobic Wow! That is a cool break. I'd recon the flange was a little bent for a while?
08-21-2014 10:40 PM
FC4X4 We competed in our last racing event of the 2014 season last weekend in Cortez, Colorado. It was an important race for us and we were hopeful for a good finish to help bolster our Southwest and Mountain Series points in Dirt Riot. It didn't happen.

During our second lap of pre-running, we started to experience some type of computer-related or electrical issue we were unable to diagnose before starting the race. This limited us to a maximum of 2400 RPM. We ended up taking the start in high-range 4WD to keep our RPMs down and attempt to still earn some points in the series.

We ended up passing Cody Folsom in the pits and Kevin Krocker after he tore out his front end in a bar-ditch crossing. We were pretty excited to be running in 3rd place with a limping vehicle. Only one of six trail class cars that started behind us had passed...
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... right before we lost a rear wheel.

We ended up breaking a nine-year old Moser axle shaft. Here's a video of when the wheel finally broke off.



2014 Cortez Axle Loss - YouTube



I've never seen a break like this, but don't fault the axle shaft construction in the slightest. I've had this rear end in two different vehicles since 2005 and it had run 39.5" tires, been flopped or rolled over 20 times, and jumped more times than it should have been.

Next build we'll do a full floater, but for now we'll just order up a new shaft.

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08-18-2014 07:47 AM
FC4X4 Sometimes... things just work out.
08-16-2014 07:29 AM
Aub I just read this thread from start to finish. Very inspiring and Page 1 made me howl with laughter.... but ultimately the sarcasm was breezed over and now look.
07-22-2014 12:43 PM
Provelogear The mod class had nearly 20 entrants at the Stampede with 17 actually competing. 9-10 in the final.

Jordan in a 2003 Jeep Rubicon has been dominating the races. Anyone says you need mega buck racer to win, is just wrong. Jordan is a great driver and has tuned his Jeep for the Regionals. He is the driver to beat. KOH is different, rock friendly rigs have an advantage.

The stock class has more parity across the board with a defined set of frame, body,engine, tranny, steering gear, shock and tire size rules.

The mod class is really defined by the steering gear and tires size rules.

The mod class for you is appealing especially for the type of racing you do. KOH is the exception. Though we have proven a LJ on 37's can do just fine. Jordan has proven you don't have to have a tube buggy to win big.

I do agree with Jake that a tube chassis is much easier to maintain and is a lot stronger.
07-22-2014 11:29 AM
FC4X4
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Originally Posted by Bowzer5 View Post
We just picked up a box truck with a sleeper, installed a new motor in the TJ, and all of that costs us attending three races so far. I think the competition is coming but many of us are still building our programs.
We're in much the same boat. In the past twelve months, we've purchased a gooseneck trailer as well as a Class-C motorhome. Those long-term team/program-building efforts have taken money away from upgrading the LJ and getting to the extra events needed to earn the national championship this year, but I'll trade that for the comfort of my RV!
07-22-2014 09:29 AM
inphobic
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Originally Posted by FC4X4 View Post
We have had an awesome time racing in the 4600 class for the last three years. However, I want to be in the main show, so to speak. In our Dirt Riot class, we consider it a big deal to get 4 or five racers in the class. Wouldn't a dozen be more fun?

How many 4600 cars showed up to Glen Helen? I think almost a dozen, which speaks much better for the participation, but what did you hear about these racers efforts? Coverage gets lost when racing with the big boys.

All that being said, we will likely race in the same car next year. I just might like to take Bessie II to the next level for my recreational wheeling. It has been hard going from a rig on 40s that could climb almost anything to driving a 5000lb LJ on 35s.
Couldn't agree more. Lot's of used race cars going up for sale. Might be worth swapping into a running mod class car. Or buy a JHF chassis and swap your drivetrain into it.
I just think the strength and weight reduction of the tube chassis in the mod class makes a better all around wheeler. Not to mention replacement body panels and maintenance easier.
07-22-2014 06:57 AM
Bowzer5 Six stock class at stampede vs nine in mod. Seven stock class at Glen Helen with fifteen in Mod. If you want competition you just need to hit up the western U4 races. I'm wondering how many will show up to SLC for the stock class . . .

We're hoping to do more in the stock class in the coming year. We just picked up a box truck with a sleeper, installed a new motor in the TJ, and all of that costs us attending three races so far. I think the competition is coming but many of us are still building our programs. And for us eastern folks, going to major event involves a lot of driving. Shoot, we're driving twenty one hours for the Crandon Dirt Riot.





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Originally Posted by FC4X4 View Post
Well. I have been putting a lot of consideration into where we place our team's efforts next year. Today was no exception. I read the WEROCK rule book today and my vehicle fits perfectly into the Mod-Stock class. The trouble is there is no competition there. I don't mean to fault the competitors at all, but there are only two people competing in the class nationwide currently.

While I would love to do some exciting things to the rig like install coil-overs, chop the frame, upgrade to some 37s and new wheels, do a V-8 swap. get my cooling situation under control, etc., I'm just not sure what amount of funding I will ultimately raise to be able to complete these upgrades, in addition to racing an entire, competitive season in the coming year. I'm trying to poll our team, fans, and sponsors to see where we should focus for 2015.

I don't like the idea of racing in the 4500 class. I think it would cost just as much money to be at the top of the class as a competitive 4400 car. However, a car built to the 4500 rule book would be widely accepted at a number of differently sanctioned events.

What to do
07-22-2014 06:55 AM
FC4X4
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Originally Posted by inphobic View Post
Why don't you want to stay with the stock class?
We have had an awesome time racing in the 4600 class for the last three years. However, I want to be in the main show, so to speak. In our Dirt Riot class, we consider it a big deal to get 4 or five racers in the class. Wouldn't a dozen be more fun?

How many 4600 cars showed up to Glen Helen? I think almost a dozen, which speaks much better for the participation, but what did you hear about these racers efforts? Coverage gets lost when racing with the big boys.

All that being said, we will likely race in the same car next year. I just might like to take Bessie II to the next level for my recreational wheeling. It has been hard going from a rig on 40s that could climb almost anything to driving a 5000lb LJ on 35s.
07-22-2014 06:38 AM
inphobic Why don't you want to stay with the stock class? As a former Stock Mod crawler I would not suggest building a rig for it. While it is cheap to get in we went through alot of work to keep the rig looking nice. Spent alot of money over and over on smaller components where if the investment was made upfront a promod car would have been much easier and possibly cheaper to maintain. Just like you we ended up in a much different place than where we started. oh and old UROC pro mods can be had cheap too. Like 5k cheap. Just my hindsight. Jake
07-21-2014 09:21 PM
FC4X4 Well. I have been putting a lot of consideration into where we place our team's efforts next year. Today was no exception. I read the WEROCK rule book today and my vehicle fits perfectly into the Mod-Stock class. The trouble is there is no competition there. I don't mean to fault the competitors at all, but there are only two people competing in the class nationwide currently.

While I would love to do some exciting things to the rig like install coil-overs, chop the frame, upgrade to some 37s and new wheels, do a V-8 swap. get my cooling situation under control, etc., I'm just not sure what amount of funding I will ultimately raise to be able to complete these upgrades, in addition to racing an entire, competitive season in the coming year. I'm trying to poll our team, fans, and sponsors to see where we should focus for 2015.

I don't like the idea of racing in the 4500 class. I think it would cost just as much money to be at the top of the class as a competitive 4400 car. However, a car built to the 4500 rule book would be widely accepted at a number of differently sanctioned events.

What to do
07-21-2014 03:14 PM
Folsom crawl? sure, dodge cones.... maybe, but steering and weight would be an issue, and its not easy on the rig, what class? promod?

full hydro bolt on mod? 37's?
07-20-2014 04:29 PM
FC4X4 [QUOTE=Folsom;26802378]bessie in werock??

You don't think Bessie can crawl?
07-19-2014 07:20 AM
Folsom bessie in werock??



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