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Yesterday 06:09 AM
cheapthrillb2 Decided to ditch the stock cluster. Ordered some speedhut gauges.



I think I'm gonna remove the two center tabs and secure the center from behind.
05-24-2017 05:26 PM
metricgerry Awesome.. Thanks for the help. I ended up making a cross member that I can adjust. As of now it"s pretty flat.
05-24-2017 07:39 AM
JayMcJay
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Originally Posted by metricgerry View Post
Well I read all 250+ threads three times and finally got all m parts to drop the 5.3 into my 97 TJ. Still waiting on a few small parts but I hope to finish the wiring up tomorrow. I do have one question though. Just wanted to know how far down or up should the bottom of the 4l60e pan be. I want to fab a trans cross member and just wanted to get a idea where it should be Thanks Gerry
I usually try to get the engine oil pan as high in the chassis as I can, and get the transfer case as flat and high as I can. The transmission pan just goes for a ride between the two.
05-24-2017 07:31 AM
HankScorpi0
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Originally Posted by metricgerry View Post
Well I read all 250+ threads three times and finally got all m parts to drop the 5.3 into my 97 TJ. Still waiting on a few small parts but I hope to finish the wiring up tomorrow. I do have one question though. Just wanted to know how far down or up should the bottom of the 4l60e pan be. I want to fab a trans cross member and just wanted to get a idea where it should be Thanks Gerry

With my engine tilted back 4 degrees the pan is almost flat on my trans.
05-24-2017 07:13 AM
j20brett You put it where you want it to be.
05-23-2017 08:01 PM
metricgerry Well I read all 250+ threads three times and finally got all m parts to drop the 5.3 into my 97 TJ. Still waiting on a few small parts but I hope to finish the wiring up tomorrow. I do have one question though. Just wanted to know how far down or up should the bottom of the 4l60e pan be. I want to fab a trans cross member and just wanted to get a idea where it should be Thanks Gerry
05-22-2017 05:00 PM
sr1209
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Originally Posted by rcherb View Post
Not sure which part is contacting the header, but you could use the OEM heat Shield Boot Covers. I figured since they contact the factory manifolds with these on its fine with the headers.

Spark Plug Wire Boot Heat Shield Protectors Set of (8) Eight LS1 LS6 | eBay
Yeah, that was Novaks response as well. I've got the metal boot covers, still just didn't seem right. I think I can twist the plug wire so it pulls the plastic/urethane away from the header. Still think I might wrap the headers, we'll see.
05-22-2017 07:44 AM
rcherb
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Originally Posted by sr1209 View Post
Quick update for any future swaps that end with a motor from an LH6 from an '07 Trailblazer/Envoy/9-7x, you will need a truck p/s pump and alternator/power steering bracket. Ended up going with the Sanderson headers from Novak as well. Did test fit number two today, both cleared and allowed the motor to drop in.

Looks like I'll be able to use the factory intake piping as well, which is nice. One less thing to buy. On the headers, it looks like the plug wire at the front passenger side (cylinder 2) sits on the tubing, going to email Novak to see what they say. Was thinking I could wrap the tubing if needed.

Wanted to say thanks to rcherb for letting me pick his brain on his swap.

Scott
Not sure which part is contacting the header, but you could use the OEM heat Shield Boot Covers. I figured since they contact the factory manifolds with these on its fine with the headers.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Spark-Plug-W...-/190867648363
05-20-2017 04:43 PM
sr1209
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Originally Posted by sr1209 View Post
Got my Novak motor mounts tacked in yesterday, set the motor for a test fit, no go in two areas. The power steering pump reservoir was sitting on the frame rail holding the engine up about 3/4" on the driver side. (not to mention completely blocking the steering shaft). Removed the pump/reservoir to see how the motor would sit without it, which allowed the motor to lower the frame mount, but the factory exhaust manifold on the drivers side was now resting on the Novak frame side motor mount. I've seen the C6 Corvette manifolds and the 2010+ LS3 Camaro manifolds mentioned a few times on the thread, but it's not always clear what model Jeep they are going in or what motor mounts were used. Any advise on which power steering pump/reservoir or exhaust manifolds for a TJ with Novak weld in motor mounts would be appreciated.

Jeep is a 97 TJ (was 2.5/AX5)
Donor is a 07 Saab 9-7X (rebadged Chevy Trailblazer/GMC Envoy) LH6 5.3/4L60E

Thanks in advance, Scott.
Quick update for any future swaps that end with a motor from an LH6 from an '07 Trailblazer/Envoy/9-7x, you will need a truck p/s pump and alternator/power steering bracket. Ended up going with the Sanderson headers from Novak as well. Did test fit number two today, both cleared and allowed the motor to drop in.

Looks like I'll be able to use the factory intake piping as well, which is nice. One less thing to buy. On the headers, it looks like the plug wire at the front passenger side (cylinder 2) sits on the tubing, going to email Novak to see what they say. Was thinking I could wrap the tubing if needed.

Wanted to say thanks to rcherb for letting me pick his brain on his swap.

Scott
05-19-2017 08:23 PM
63Willysplano
Crank Spacer Removal

Hey all, I've been slowly working on my swap - 2006 LR4 4.8 w AX-15 into my 05 LJ. It is going well so far. Slow and steady. It appears as though the 4.8 has a crank spacer installed (unknown donor). I am installing the flywheel and clutch kit from Novak and their adapter. It acts like the spacer needs to be removed since the provided bolts only grab about 2 threads. I have sent an email to Novak and read their brief on the crank spacer but it is not very clear about whether it is needed or not for my specific application. I am trying to continue on the project over the weekend so any advice would be great.

Thanks!!

A couple of pics of the crank spacer and progress.

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05-17-2017 09:52 PM
RubiconJeepGuy
Which wiring harness?

Looking at ordering my new stand alone harness for my LS2 tomorrow and I'm wondering if Pacific Fab is worth the extra $200. I can get one from Current Performance for $635, or one from Pacific fab for about another $200. Both harnesses come with the fuse block, ODB2 port, and are made to order.
05-13-2017 05:44 AM
kmkommes
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Originally Posted by rockslammer84 View Post
What size fuel tank/fuel cell are most of you guys running. how do you like them and do you feel you have enough fuel for a weekend of wheeling? i assume that everyone in this thread has a jeep with a 5.3 or bigger v8 in it
I have 13 or 14. I forget. Apparently it wasnt big enough this past Sunday.
05-12-2017 10:27 AM
cheapthrillb2
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Originally Posted by rockslammer84 View Post
What size fuel tank/fuel cell are most of you guys running. how do you like them and do you feel you have enough fuel for a weekend of wheeling? i assume that everyone in this thread has a jeep with a 5.3 or bigger v8 in it
I run the stock tank. I have no issues with a weekend trip and fuel.
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Originally Posted by knaffie View Post
I have yet to get 10 MPG. It's not as if I drive trying to get good mileage, but I don't always drive like I'm 16 either. The OEM tank was not enough, especially in the dunes. I went with the Genright 24 gallon replacement tank. It not only gave me a bunch more fuel capacity, but I also needed the room for my rear axle anyway. Pricey, but worth it in my opinion. It's a very well made piece.
I find that surprising yours is so low. When I first finished my swap, I did the math and was seeing 14.3mpg. That was with 40" mtrs, 5.38s, and I weigh in over 5k. What transmission are you running?
05-12-2017 09:08 AM
rockslammer84
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Originally Posted by rcherb View Post
I'm using the Lokar Midnigth Series Shifter. I like the look of it, makes it look like the jeep is still a manual. It has taken some getting used to since there is no gear indicator, so i just have to count the clicks. I'm not 100% in love with it, but it wasn't cheap so I'm going to run it for a while. If i was to do it again, I would probably go with a Gennie Shifter, since its not a straight line shifter, it requires you to move the shifter similar to an Art Carr/Winters but without the massive gate console.



I haven't calculated my MPG. I just went wheeling at Rausch Creek in PA, For about an 8-9 hour day of it running at idle, rock crawling and 15-20 mph runs down the green trails, I only used a 1/4 tank of the stock TJ 19 gallon tank. If your wheeling is low speed rock crawling the stock tank size should be fine, if its high speed foot on gas all the time, bombing down trails or sand dunes like someone else mentioned, you'll need a bigger tank.

Rockslammer, just noticed your are over in Gaithersburg I'm over by Annapolis, if you wanna see how I did or have questions or need anything just let me know.
im not too worried about MPG, i mostly just want to size my fuel tank in a way that i can run it for a weekend and not have to worry about running out of gas while on the trial or out at the camp ground. generally i wheel at the cove during big dog events and at RC, so im doing the same terrain you are. i appreciate it and will let you know if i need any help.
05-12-2017 08:37 AM
rcherb
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Originally Posted by JayMcJay View Post
the easiest transmission to use behind an LS is the transmission it came from the factory with. B&M and others all make shifters for them. Summit racing or Jegs will be your friend.
I'm using the Lokar Midnigth Series Shifter. I like the look of it, makes it look like the jeep is still a manual. It has taken some getting used to since there is no gear indicator, so i just have to count the clicks. I'm not 100% in love with it, but it wasn't cheap so I'm going to run it for a while. If i was to do it again, I would probably go with a Gennie Shifter, since its not a straight line shifter, it requires you to move the shifter similar to an Art Carr/Winters but without the massive gate console.

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awesome thanks for the info, my 4.0 would run all weekend at a wheeling event on a single tank(stock capacity) and would like to maintain that.
I haven't calculated my MPG. I just went wheeling at Rausch Creek in PA, For about an 8-9 hour day of it running at idle, rock crawling and 15-20 mph runs down the green trails, I only used a 1/4 tank of the stock TJ 19 gallon tank. If your wheeling is low speed rock crawling the stock tank size should be fine, if its high speed foot on gas all the time, bombing down trails or sand dunes like someone else mentioned, you'll need a bigger tank.

Rockslammer, just noticed your are over in Gaithersburg I'm over by Annapolis, if you wanna see how I did or have questions or need anything just let me know.
05-12-2017 08:02 AM
rockslammer84
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Originally Posted by knaffie View Post
I have yet to get 10 MPG. It's not as if I drive trying to get good mileage, but I don't always drive like I'm 16 either. The OEM tank was not enough, especially in the dunes. I went with the Genright 24 gallon replacement tank. It not only gave me a bunch more fuel capacity, but I also needed the room for my rear axle anyway. Pricey, but worth it in my opinion. It's a very well made piece.
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Originally Posted by JayMcJay View Post
My rock buggy (on 38's last time it was on the street) would get 16mpg around town and on the highway. So a 10-12 gallon tank is pretty OK for me. Mine's a stock 5.3L with 4L60E and tons with 5.38 gears. Your mileage may (will) vary.
awesome thanks for the info, my 4.0 would run all weekend at a wheeling event on a single tank(stock capacity) and would like to maintain that.
05-12-2017 07:04 AM
Lsbluejeep Thank you for the info
05-12-2017 06:07 AM
JayMcJay the easiest transmission to use behind an LS is the transmission it came from the factory with. B&M and others all make shifters for them. Summit racing or Jegs will be your friend.
05-12-2017 06:01 AM
rcherb
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Originally Posted by Lsbluejeep View Post
Ok I'm curious about the NV3550 would it work behind the 5.3l l Ls if not what automatic transmission are you guys using. And what gearshift for the automatic are you using. because I already have the Nv 3550 in my jeep and I would like to use it if I could in it.
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05-12-2017 05:45 AM
JayMcJay
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Originally Posted by rockslammer84 View Post
What size fuel tank/fuel cell are most of you guys running. how do you like them and do you feel you have enough fuel for a weekend of wheeling? i assume that everyone in this thread has a jeep with a 5.3 or bigger v8 in it
My rock buggy (on 38's last time it was on the street) would get 16mpg around town and on the highway. So a 10-12 gallon tank is pretty OK for me. Mine's a stock 5.3L with 4L60E and tons with 5.38 gears. Your mileage may (will) vary.
05-12-2017 05:36 AM
knaffie
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Originally Posted by rockslammer84 View Post
What size fuel tank/fuel cell are most of you guys running. how do you like them and do you feel you have enough fuel for a weekend of wheeling? i assume that everyone in this thread has a jeep with a 5.3 or bigger v8 in it
I have yet to get 10 MPG. It's not as if I drive trying to get good mileage, but I don't always drive like I'm 16 either. The OEM tank was not enough, especially in the dunes. I went with the Genright 24 gallon replacement tank. It not only gave me a bunch more fuel capacity, but I also needed the room for my rear axle anyway. Pricey, but worth it in my opinion. It's a very well made piece.
05-12-2017 05:26 AM
rockslammer84 What size fuel tank/fuel cell are most of you guys running. how do you like them and do you feel you have enough fuel for a weekend of wheeling? i assume that everyone in this thread has a jeep with a 5.3 or bigger v8 in it
05-05-2017 06:22 AM
Lsbluejeep
NV3550 vs a automatic

Ok I'm curious about the NV3550 would it work behind the 5.3l l Ls if not what automatic transmission are you guys using. And what gearshift for the automatic are you using. because I already have the Nv 3550 in my jeep and I would like to use it if I could in it.
05-01-2017 12:21 PM
sr1209
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Originally Posted by ACRay View Post
As far as manifolds go, I would look at the pics of folks with the 2010+ Camaro LS3 manifolds and see how they compare to the room you have. For my 06 they wound up being the easiest (and only) fit of the 4 types I tried. PM me your number and I can just spam text you a whole bunch of pics of mine so you can see from a bunch of angles. Then see if you think they'll work on yours.
PM sent AC Ray

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Stupid question, but did you do the Novak Measurement's correct?

I used a 2003 Yukon with the Novak Mounts, also a 2000 TJ with 2.5l. I was able to place the steering pillow block right back down on the Novak Motor Mount. I have about 1.5-2inches of clearance to the frame from my PS pump/reservoir, but its damn close to the PS pulley with the steering shaft. Double check your measurements and if its still a no go, maybe try using the truck accessory mounting bracket
RCHERB, not a stupid question. Quite frankly, I hadn't double checked, even though it seems obvious. Just ran out to the shop and put a tape on it though, looks good from what I can tell. We went 4-1/2" from center of the reference hole in the frame to the crowsfoot notch in the mount per the instructions. I think the accessory bracket is the same as the trucks, the power steering reservoir from that particular SUV sticks way out compared to most (if not all) of the others I've seen on here though. I tried linking pics, but not enough posts. I'll text them to you later so you can see what I'm talking about, I still have your number from when we spoke about EVAP.

Scott
05-01-2017 11:29 AM
rcherb
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Originally Posted by sr1209 View Post
Got my Novak motor mounts tacked in yesterday, set the motor for a test fit, no go in two areas. The power steering pump reservoir was sitting on the frame rail holding the engine up about 3/4" on the driver side. (not to mention completely blocking the steering shaft). Removed the pump/reservoir to see how the motor would sit without it, which allowed the motor to lower the frame mount, but the factory exhaust manifold on the drivers side was now resting on the Novak frame side motor mount. I've seen the C6 Corvette manifolds and the 2010+ LS3 Camaro manifolds mentioned a few times on the thread, but it's not always clear what model Jeep they are going in or what motor mounts were used. Any advise on which power steering pump/reservoir or exhaust manifolds for a TJ with Novak weld in motor mounts would be appreciated.

Jeep is a 97 TJ (was 2.5/AX5)
Donor is a 07 Saab 9-7X (rebadged Chevy Trailblazer/GMC Envoy) LH6 5.3/4L60E

Thanks in advance, Scott.

Stupid question, but did you do the Novak Measurement's correct?

I used a 2003 Yukon with the Novak Mounts, also a 2000 TJ with 2.5l. I was able to place the steering pillow block right back down on the Novak Motor Mount. I have about 1.5-2inches of clearance to the frame from my PS pump/reservoir, but its damn close to the PS pulley with the steering shaft. Double check your measurements and if its still a no go, maybe try using the truck accessory mounting bracket
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