how wide are nissan axles?

[Crawl Box]

Im a Jeep guy and by the looks of it Nissans have some beefy axles. If I can find one with a good set of gears in it at a junk yard I just might put it under my XJ...or maybe my YJ. I need to know how wide these axles are...I belive its the H233B that is a 33 spline axle right? Whats the width on one of those if found under a HardBody truck, Frontier, or Xterra?

Thanks...

[TRed]

The gears are probly ok for your Heep, but not if you want deep ones. 513's cost around 800 bucks for a ring, pinion, and install kit. The axles are pretty wide, I think mine is around 63 inches.

[TRed]

Yea 63"s and mine has 433's stock.

[Crawl Box]

any of them come stock with close to 4.56 or 4.88 gears?

I know some come with 4.90's...which modles are those found under?

[Crawl Box]

one more question....I see some of you guys have done a SAS with a Nissan axle up front, what axle is this? and whats the avalibility of them?

Sorry for all the questions, and thanks for the info provided

[TRed]

To my knowledge, nobody has done a sas with a Nissan axle. Some Nissans come stock with a solid axle, but noone uses them for a sas because of rarity and costs. Gear choices are available to match almost any ratio, you just gotta find the right unit in a yard. Look at the door tag to see what axle ratio is in the rig. Mine says H43 which means 433 gears.

[TRed]

Originally Posted by Crawl Box

any of them come stock with close to 4.56 or 4.88 gears?

I know some come with 4.90's...which modles are those found under?

Late model Xterras with auto trans

[jpvm]

Beefy axles are rear Nissan H233b's. It is said that its way more resistant than a Dana 44. You have still Detroit lockers + ARB lockers for them (H233b come with 31 splines). Mine is stock 4.875 geared (some factory Hardbody , so I mated it (when doing a SAS) with a stock (Toyota 8" front axle with 4.88 gears from a 1990 Hilux Diesel).
Also forgot about the axle widths :

Hardbody (D21) 86.5-97 (R) H233B 59"
Hardbody (D21) 86.5-90 (R) C200 59"
Frontier (D22) 99-2000 (R) H233B 62.5"

in comparison with Jeep :

Grand Wagoneer 89 (F) Dana 44 61.5"
Wagoneer 81 (F) Dana 44 60.5"
CJ-6 74 (F) Dana 30 51.5"
CJ-6 74 (R) Dana 44 50"
CJ-7 83 (F) Dana 30 56"
CJ-7 83 (R) AMC 20 55"
TJ Rubicon 03 (F) Dana 44 61"
TJ Rubicon 03 (R) Dana 44 60"

[TRed]

Originally Posted by jpvm

(H233b come with 31 splines). "

And 33 splines, for which you can find the arb's for also. The axles are heavy as hell, and use a drop in third member unit that resembles the Ford 9", except it is bigger. The rear H233B is a overlooked unit in the aftermarket and the 4x4 world, if more dudes ran them on rock rigs, the price of gears would drop, and they would be worth keeping .

[datz510]

Most H233b rear axles off nissans with 31" tires came with 4.625:1 ratios, which might be close enough to work with your 4.56:1. You can check the door tags on the trucks to determine axle ratio.. HG## is the designation for the H233b. HG43 = 4.33:1.. HG46 = 4.625:1... and so on.

The earlier axles (pre 97 or so) are all 31 spline with 9.17" (233mm) ring gear. and you would be hard pressed to break one of those, let alone a 33 spline.. Even the 31 spline axles have ~1.25" diameter axle shafts.

If you grab an axle off a 94 or 95 Nissan Pathfinder, you can get disc brakes too, but you'll have to cut off all the coil spring brackets if you are going with leafs. Also, the Pathfinder H233b are very close to dropping right in the Jeep Commanche/MJs.. the brackets for the multi link suspension line up perfectly and aside form the driveshaft and upper links, it will bolt up.

There is a pic of the nissan axle bolted in to a jeep on this page:
http://xjnation.homestead.com/newtrailrig.html

[jimk403]

Also, the Pathfinder H233b are very close to dropping right in the Jeep Commanche/MJs.. the brackets for the multi link suspension line up perfectly and aside form the driveshaft and upper links, it will bolt up.

The MJ/Commanche has sprung under leafs in the back. This might work on on a ZJ/WJ Grand Cherokee, however.
The difference in gears for WD/D-21's depends on if auto or manual trans, and engine. V6 auto are like 4.625, manual 4.375. 4 cyl manual trucks came with 4.625 geared 233's.
Why can't they just leave well enough alone?

[SirMrManGuy]

Originally Posted by TRed

To my knowledge, nobody has done a sas with a Nissan axle. Some Nissans come stock with a solid axle, but noone uses them for a sas because of rarity and costs. Gear choices are available to match almost any ratio, you just gotta find the right unit in a yard. Look at the door tag to see what axle ratio is in the rig. Mine says H43 which means 433 gears.

Its been done plenty of times overseas, haven't seen one in the US.

4.90 gears can be found in non supercharged Xterras, I think. The axle code would be HG49, the code is eaither on the drivers door or on a plate under the hood near the passenger fender.

Jimk403, check out the link, they cut the leaf spring stuff off and welded on the pathfinder rear suspension, brackets, links and all. Pretty cool idea, since the pathfinder rear flexes really well.

[wendleburger]

Originally Posted by SirMrManGuy

Its been done plenty of times overseas, haven't seen one in the US.

they are starting to become a very popular upgrade axle here in australia, there is heaps of toyotas and a few jeeps using the H233 axles.
we can buy the 33 spline H233B rear and matching 31 spline H233 front for about $1000AUD in running condition.. the aftermarket gearsets are becoming cheaper, and there is plenty of locker choices. steering knuckles can also be swapped around from different models to give plenty of different tie-rod/draglink locations, or different clearances for hydro steering..

they are a pretty tough bit of gear..

[SirMrManGuy]

Originally Posted by wendleburger

they are starting to become a very popular upgrade axle here in australia, there is heaps of toyotas and a few jeeps using the H233 axles.
we can buy the 33 spline H233B rear and matching 31 spline H233 front for about $1000AUD in running condition.. the aftermarket gearsets are becoming cheaper, and there is plenty of locker choices. steering knuckles can also be swapped around from different models to give plenty of different tie-rod/draglink locations, or different clearances for hydro steering..

they are a pretty tough bit of gear..

Just curious, how much would a set of 5.13 gears cost for the rear in Aus?

[fivetenben]

Originally Posted by datz510

If you grab an axle off a 94 or 95 Nissan Pathfinder, you can get disc brakes too,

Some earlier "fancy" pathfinders had disks too. Ive got a disk/lsd/4.63 rearend in my garage out of a 1988.


Ben

[TRed]

Originally Posted by wendleburger

.
we can buy the 33 spline H233B rear and matching 31 spline H233 front for about $1000AUD in running condition.. the aftermarket gearsets are becoming cheaper, and there is plenty of locker choices. .

This is why we hate you.

[SirMrManGuy]

Originally Posted by TRed

This is why we hate you.

Also to add fuel to the fire $1000AUD is only $700USD.

Man, I really wish someone would just start importing parts.

[wendleburger]

Originally Posted by SirMrManGuy

Just curious, how much would a set of 5.13 gears cost for the rear in Aus?

no cheaper than they are over there.. the 5.13 and 5.71 ratios come from arctic trucks in iceland, no-one imports them en masse to aus..

the cheap ratios available are 4.625 (quite a rare factory ratio here) and 4.88, made in italy for G&J gear, who own rockcrusher diffs (small world)..
the 4.88 is perfect with our transmissions for road use with 37/38/39tyre sizes. yah i know i spelt tyre wrong.

[zillxia]

the only HB233 I could see droping in to a jeep economicaly is one that came with 4.90 gears stock. anything other than that and your going to most likely regear tie axle and waste money doing it that way. Just becasue I've been thinking about doing it myself and from the info I picked up it was 2002+ xteras that had 4.90(non-super) did they come with disk breaks. I'd hate to step down to drums if I didn't have to. even if it was an option I'd love to hear a answer to the break question.

[onlyonedr]

No discs from the factory. $tillen sells a kit for $1150 that coverts to discs. I have a set of Caddy calipers that will eventually find their way onto my axle for much cheaper than that. Until then you are on your own...

You can find 4.90s in 2001+ Frontier Crew Cab 4x4 Automatics as well.

[wendleburger]

Originally Posted by zillxia

the only HB233 I could see droping in to a jeep economicaly is one that came with 4.90 gears stock. anything other than that and your going to most likely regear tie axle and waste money doing it that way. Just becasue I've been thinking about doing it myself and from the info I picked up it was 2002+ xteras that had 4.90(non-super) did they come with disk breaks. I'd hate to step down to drums if I didn't have to. even if it was an option I'd love to hear a answer to the break question.

99% of the H233B rear's here are disk brake, so all the bits are available from nissan. the only thing to watch for is the side gears in the carrier are different, as the disk brake hub has an extra bearing, so the axle splines don't need to bottom out in the side gears for pre-load. also, i am not sure if your widths vary, so the disk brake axleshafts might be no good for your housings without being cut/resplined.
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[XterraGuy]

Nobody in the US has done an SAS with a Nissan axle that I've heard of, mainly because we haven't had a solid axle from Nissan sold here in 30 years. I do have a plan to have MQ/GQ Patrol axle gear re-worked into a left-offset axle, but it's still a ways off before it's gonna happen.

Back when there were both disc and drum available (discs were available from 88-95, not just 94-95) on the original Pathfinder, there was a thrust block in the center of the H233B on the drum axles to allow for that pre-load. Actually, all 31-spline drum H233Bs have it. As of the 33-spline diffs, this was no longer used.

All 2002+ Xterras w/ the non-supercharged V6 (manual and auto) have 4.90 gearing. The Frontier had it available as of 2001, but which models and trim have them is more complicated. Looks like the 2001 KC had them in non-supercharged SE trim, manual and automatic:
http://www.nissannews.com/site_libra..._kcab4x4.shtml
and the 2001 CC had them in the 4x4 SE non-SC, manual or automatic:
http://www.nissannews.com/site_libra..._crewcab.shtml
Axle ratios for the 2002 aren't detailed at nissannews.com as above, but they do have the 03 specs which are the same as the 01:
http://www.nissannews.com/nissan/200...er/specs.shtml
Oddly enough, it appears the 4.90 has been dropped for 04:
http://www.nissannews.com/nissan/200...er/specs.shtml

Also just noticed that for 2003 and 2004 the 4-cylinder (2WD w/ C200) Xterra has 4.875 gearing.

The change to 33-spline diffs also brought a change in the ratios. 31-spline had 4.375 and 4.625 w/ 8-tooth pinion gears, while 33-spline brought 4.363 and 4.636 w/ 11-tooth pinion gears. The 4.90 is a 10-tooth pinion though.

Originally Posted by jimk403

4 cyl manual trucks came with 4.625 geared 233's.

Actually, the H233B was used on all 4WDs from 1/92 on, but the C200 was used prior to that on the 4-cylinder 4WDs.

Originally Posted by wendleburger

the cheap ratios available are 4.625 (quite a rare factory ratio here) and 4.88, made in italy for G&J gear, who own rockcrusher diffs (small world)...
yah i know i spelt tyre wrong.

I haven't heard very good things about those G&J gears from the folks at the www.outerlimits4x4.com board. And you also spelled "spelled" wrong too
Are you the same "Wendle" from outerlimits?

Brent

[toyfeined]

Man Do you have any pics of your rig. It sounds sweet. reaceracer@yahoo.com

[SirMrManGuy]

Originally Posted by toyfeined

Man Do you have any pics of your rig. It sounds sweet. reaceracer@yahoo.com

Who's pics are you looking for?

[jimk403]

Actually, the H233B was used on all 4WDs from 1/92 on, but the C200 was used prior to that on the 4-cylinder 4WDs.

What's your point?
My '89 D21 4cyl had a C200 and 4.11 gears.
Almost any Nissan 4wd axle is geared low enough for use in a modern Jeep.
For example, my '88 XJ has 4.10 gears. It would smoke the same 32 inch tires that are now on my Pathfinder, which has 4.625 gears and barely gets out of it's own way.