Nissans on John Bull trail - Pirate4x4.Com : 4x4 and Off-Road Forum

TRed · 08-09-2004, 11:12 AM

I went with another Nissan owner and did the John Bull trail. This is a good challenging trail for any wheeler, but both of us are locked front and rear, and of course I have a sas and 37's. We had so much fun, and it was very exhausting in the hot weather, I slept well last night!

eastside · 08-10-2004, 12:24 AM

looks good TRed...... btw, hows that front driveshaft holding out. any binding??

thanks for the info

aloha

TRed · 08-10-2004, 09:50 AM

No binding, it did hit the catalytic converter a tiny amount, but after hitting it all day, the cat has the proper clearancing now.

I have one small issue that needs attention, and that is the front springs. Either the springs are too soft and need to be replaced with heavy duty 7 leaf packs, or the spring shackles need adjustment. After the run, the shackles hit the frame and the springs got flatter. No biggy, I have skillz and can either cut and weld the mounts back further, or change the springs. All in all, a very succesfull sas that performs so well, all I do is point the rig at a rock and climb it.

Hillclimber · 08-10-2004, 11:10 AM

I had the same issues with mine, the leafs lost about 1 to 2" of lift after weeling for the first time. I had already put the shackels further back at steeper angles to compensate for that. And that was with a 7 pack. Ive seen guys use 2 shackle holes so they can move it back and forth depending on the flex/lift/springs they want.

BB_nissan · 08-10-2004, 11:21 AM

Can anyone give me a measurement between the centerhole of there front spring hanger to the centerhole of the shackle mount? I have to move my shackles back(again) as they folded into the frame when I took the truck off the jacks because of the soft/flat stock waggy springs.

BB_nissan · 08-10-2004, 11:23 AM

Looking good Tred.

TRed · 08-10-2004, 11:24 AM

Well thanks for the info man, I think that has convinced me that I should get the rancho lift springs everyone uses on the sas Yotas. 44044 or something like that. I didn't want the extra lift, but they probly would settle after a good run, and be the right height after some use. Cool beans, it's like being a pioneer, having to test and retest certain parts so that future Nissan sas builders will have a template to work from.

TRed · 08-10-2004, 11:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BB_nissan

Can anyone give me a measurement between the centerhole of there front spring hanger to the centerhole of the shackle mount?

Mine measured 43 inches from center to center.

fivetenben · 08-10-2004, 07:52 PM

looks good!

Tintop · 08-10-2004, 08:30 PM

Were is the jon bull trail?

revans2003 · 08-10-2004, 11:11 PM

It is in Big Bear in Holkum canyon. When you run it backwards it is near a boy scout camp. The forrestry service labels the trail as "3N10"

jimk403 · 08-12-2004, 11:35 PM

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The forrestry service labels the trail as "3N10"

They also label it as "most difficult"

I have a hard time running it backwards because I can't go slow enough down through the rocks. Stupid automatic.

revans2003 · 08-13-2004, 08:28 AM

Yeah I had a bitch of a time too coming down some of those rocks. But going up in an automatic is cherry.

TRed · 08-13-2004, 11:37 AM

Tcase gears, that's all you need.

revans2003 · 08-13-2004, 12:44 PM

mmmmmmmm tcase gears..........

onlyonedr · 08-15-2004, 03:07 PM

Terence, that truck looks great finally running on the trails. Good work and I for one want to apologize for myself and everyone else's crap you had to put up with while you built it. Hope that homemade driveshaft does not let loose at the wrong time.

TRed · 08-17-2004, 03:48 PM

Yea I finally got it going, and the shafts are both from High Angle, so no worries there.

onlyonedr · 08-17-2004, 09:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TRed

Yea I finally got it going, and the shafts are both from High Angle, so no worries there.

I guess I missed when you ditched the square-tube idea and went for an HA...

No worries for sure!

gnob · 08-19-2004, 07:19 AM

that thing is sweet, except for those MTRs

looks tight

TRed · 08-19-2004, 10:48 AM

What's wrong with MTR's? These 37x12.50x15 MTR's have great traction and didn't slip once on the trail.

roctoy · 08-21-2004, 12:52 PM

What front end is that in your truck?

TRed · 08-22-2004, 10:46 AM

It is a drivers drop d44 waggy from a '87. I got 513's detroit lockers, 4 wheel discs, home made hi steer, Bilstien 5100 14" travel shocks,and low tcase gears. Now I am running Marlin Crawler front 4" lift springs.

08-09-2004, 11:12 AM	#1 (permalink)
TRed Registered User Join Date: Jun 2002 Member # 12100 Location: Priskitt AZ Posts: 1,168	Nissans on John Bull trail I went with another Nissan owner and did the John Bull trail. This is a good challenging trail for any wheeler, but both of us are locked front and rear, and of course I have a sas and 37's. We had so much fun, and it was very exhausting in the hot weather, I slept well last night! __________________ Quote: Originally Posted by randii if you're a Pickle, rolling down the trail in a Smurf, dispensing bowls of dicks. FWIW, I don't want to see pictures of that, either! Randii

08-10-2004, 09:50 AM	#3 (permalink)
TRed Registered User Join Date: Jun 2002 Member # 12100 Location: Priskitt AZ Posts: 1,168	No binding, it did hit the catalytic converter a tiny amount, but after hitting it all day, the cat has the proper clearancing now. I have one small issue that needs attention, and that is the front springs. Either the springs are too soft and need to be replaced with heavy duty 7 leaf packs, or the spring shackles need adjustment. After the run, the shackles hit the frame and the springs got flatter. No biggy, I have skillz and can either cut and weld the mounts back further, or change the springs. All in all, a very succesfull sas that performs so well, all I do is point the rig at a rock and climb it. __________________ Quote: Originally Posted by randii if you're a Pickle, rolling down the trail in a Smurf, dispensing bowls of dicks. FWIW, I don't want to see pictures of that, either! Randii

08-10-2004, 11:21 AM	#5 (permalink)
BB_nissan Registered User Join Date: Jun 2003 Member # 20546 Location: Arizona Posts: 106	Can anyone give me a measurement between the centerhole of there front spring hanger to the centerhole of the shackle mount? I have to move my shackles back(again) as they folded into the frame when I took the truck off the jacks because of the soft/flat stock waggy springs. __________________ I'm so fucking happy I could shit rainbows right now.

08-10-2004, 11:23 AM	#6 (permalink)
BB_nissan Registered User Join Date: Jun 2003 Member # 20546 Location: Arizona Posts: 106	Looking good Tred. __________________ I'm so fucking happy I could shit rainbows right now.

08-10-2004, 11:24 AM	#7 (permalink)
TRed Registered User Join Date: Jun 2002 Member # 12100 Location: Priskitt AZ Posts: 1,168	Well thanks for the info man, I think that has convinced me that I should get the rancho lift springs everyone uses on the sas Yotas. 44044 or something like that. I didn't want the extra lift, but they probly would settle after a good run, and be the right height after some use. Cool beans, it's like being a pioneer, having to test and retest certain parts so that future Nissan sas builders will have a template to work from. __________________ Quote: Originally Posted by randii if you're a Pickle, rolling down the trail in a Smurf, dispensing bowls of dicks. FWIW, I don't want to see pictures of that, either! Randii

08-10-2004, 12:24 AM	#2 (permalink)
eastside Registered User Join Date: Apr 2003 Member # 19074 Location: kaneohe, HI Posts: 4	looks good TRed...... btw, hows that front driveshaft holding out. any binding?? thanks for the info aloha

08-10-2004, 11:10 AM	#4 (permalink)
Hillclimber Registered User Join Date: Feb 2004 Member # 27420 Location: Canada, Calagry Posts: 74	I had the same issues with mine, the leafs lost about 1 to 2" of lift after weeling for the first time. I had already put the shackels further back at steeper angles to compensate for that. And that was with a 7 pack. Ive seen guys use 2 shackle holes so they can move it back and forth depending on the flex/lift/springs they want.

08-10-2004, 07:52 PM	#9 (permalink)
fivetenben Registered User Join Date: Sep 2000 Member # 1710 Location: paradise, ca Posts: 473	looks good!

08-10-2004, 08:30 PM	#10 (permalink)
Tintop Registered User Join Date: Apr 2003 Member # 18487 Location: Healdsburg CA Posts: 861	Were is the jon bull trail?

08-10-2004, 11:11 PM	#11 (permalink)
revans2003 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2003 Member # 24494 Location: San Diego Posts: 25	It is in Big Bear in Holkum canyon. When you run it backwards it is near a boy scout camp. The forrestry service labels the trail as "3N10" __________________ 2003 Nissan Frontier I GO WHERE ANGELS FEAR TO TREAD

08-13-2004, 08:28 AM	#13 (permalink)
revans2003 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2003 Member # 24494 Location: San Diego Posts: 25	Yeah I had a bitch of a time too coming down some of those rocks. But going up in an automatic is cherry. __________________ 2003 Nissan Frontier I GO WHERE ANGELS FEAR TO TREAD

08-13-2004, 11:37 AM	#14 (permalink)
TRed Registered User Join Date: Jun 2002 Member # 12100 Location: Priskitt AZ Posts: 1,168	Tcase gears, that's all you need. __________________ Quote: Originally Posted by randii if you're a Pickle, rolling down the trail in a Smurf, dispensing bowls of dicks. FWIW, I don't want to see pictures of that, either! Randii

08-13-2004, 12:44 PM	#15 (permalink)
revans2003 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2003 Member # 24494 Location: San Diego Posts: 25	mmmmmmmm tcase gears.......... __________________ 2003 Nissan Frontier I GO WHERE ANGELS FEAR TO TREAD

08-15-2004, 03:07 PM	#16 (permalink)
onlyonedr Registered User Join Date: May 2003 Member # 19543 Posts: 223	Terence, that truck looks great finally running on the trails. Good work and I for one want to apologize for myself and everyone else's crap you had to put up with while you built it. Hope that homemade driveshaft does not let loose at the wrong time. __________________ '01 Nissan KC Desert Runner: Work in Progress '69 Chevy K5: Non-Wheeling Fun Rig

08-17-2004, 03:48 PM	#17 (permalink)
TRed Registered User Join Date: Jun 2002 Member # 12100 Location: Priskitt AZ Posts: 1,168	Yea I finally got it going, and the shafts are both from High Angle, so no worries there. __________________ Quote: Originally Posted by randii if you're a Pickle, rolling down the trail in a Smurf, dispensing bowls of dicks. FWIW, I don't want to see pictures of that, either! Randii

08-21-2004, 12:52 PM	#21 (permalink)
roctoy Granite Guru Join Date: Dec 2002 Member # 15778 Location: Las vegas Posts: 882	What front end is that in your truck? __________________ flat black hoo-ride

08-19-2004, 07:19 AM	#19 (permalink)
gnob boulder buddha Join Date: Mar 2001 Member # 3886 Location: southern oregon Posts: 3,600	that thing is sweet, except for those MTRs looks tight __________________ hold this...

08-19-2004, 10:48 AM	#20 (permalink)
TRed Registered User Join Date: Jun 2002 Member # 12100 Location: Priskitt AZ Posts: 1,168	What's wrong with MTR's? These 37x12.50x15 MTR's have great traction and didn't slip once on the trail. __________________ Quote: Originally Posted by randii if you're a Pickle, rolling down the trail in a Smurf, dispensing bowls of dicks. FWIW, I don't want to see pictures of that, either! Randii

08-22-2004, 10:46 AM	#22 (permalink)
TRed Registered User Join Date: Jun 2002 Member # 12100 Location: Priskitt AZ Posts: 1,168	It is a drivers drop d44 waggy from a '87. I got 513's detroit lockers, 4 wheel discs, home made hi steer, Bilstien 5100 14" travel shocks,and low tcase gears. Now I am running Marlin Crawler front 4" lift springs. __________________ Quote: Originally Posted by randii if you're a Pickle, rolling down the trail in a Smurf, dispensing bowls of dicks. FWIW, I don't want to see pictures of that, either! Randii

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