Have you ever busted a H233B Rear Axle Shaft?

[curleyman]

Originally Posted by sasnissan720

1.37 axle dia would be the same as the tocoma 8 in rear so it should be just as strong especially in chromo but with a better center section. and everything breaks these axle are no worse than a d44 or toy axle just cost a lil more to build.also just read that the aam 9.5 found under cummins is a 1.37 axle shaft the aam 9.5 is about the same as a 60 no?

Haha Nissans thickest axle shaft with the h233b is no thicker then 1.32 not 1.37. There is actually a lot of engineering that goes into every axle. Just because the parts are overpriced doesnt mean they are strong. Nissan has the weakest axles in the industry and maybe they compare to dana 35 axles. Please do your research and read the thread. They are brittle and easy to break. That aam 9.5 is similar to a dana 60 and yes it has skinny shafts but it is also a full float axle with through hardened shafts. There is a lot about metal quality and structural design some of you dont seem to understand. Nissan builds 1/4 ton axles fuwk a dana 44 is a half ton axle. Toyotas 1/4 ton axle blows the nissan axles away everytime. I dont care if people want to run a nissan axke but damn it sucks to watch people waste money on something so weak.


I dont really want to argue about the ford 9" axle. It is and has been for over 40 years the strongest half ton axle ever made. It is used behind high horsepower race cars and high dollar 4wd vehicles for a long time. Rock racers and rock crawlers alike prefer the 9" to any other axle almost everytime. The ring and pinion is stronger in design then a dana 60. So next time you see a HI9, spidertraxx 9", ballistic fab9", Ruff stuff 9", Diomond 9", or any of the other $8,000 9" axles on a rock rig please tell the owner yourself that its going to blow up on him. Whom ever is setting the gears on the 9" axles you have seen "blow" should go back to school. Do your research people!

[berardj]

ben, comparing the 233 to a D35 is bullshit and you know it

the ring gear on the damn things is BIGGER then a 9 inch... there not weak alxes, they just have thinner shafts... and they are half ton axles, not quarter ton

[sasnissan720]

i was talking bout the chromos in a 1.37 like they were talking about up in the thread which would be through hardened also. not trying to argue just throwing it out there. and where did i say if it cost more its better? some of us just prefer to stick with as much nissan stuff as we can.

[EOR MFG]

Originally Posted by curleyman

hahahaha i hate to say this because i'm friends with some of you nissan people but your retarded trying to make this axle work.... I don't care if it's a 33 spline or a 33 spline chromo axle. this thread just proves how weak they are. Your rear axle should be stronger then your front axle every time. Your polishing a turd and yes you may find some people who just want to drive on the road but the nissan rear has no buisness under a rock rig. Toy axles are stronger, lighter and cheaper. Ford 9" axles are stronger cheaper and lighter. there are somethings that just cant be done and turning a nissan rear into a rock worthy axle isnt worth the hassle. Even if the shafts could hold up the angle at which the pinion gear contacts the ring gear is not strong enough.. Get those chromo shafts made and i'll toss that 33 spline axle under my 4cyl Nissan and I'll break a shaft or R&P for ya instantly.

Why should one's rear axle be larger than the front everytime? If we were building 3/4 ton factory 4x4s I could see this because of load carrying capacity, but I see dozens of wheelers here running aftermarket front axle shafts with stock rears, and breaking the fronts. I am not talking about Yukons either; a rig this past new years managed to break a longfield 60 shaft before a factory 35 spline 60. This goes against your logic.

Also, I understand the argument against the pattern on the H233b, because I have seen shitty contact patterns on factory thirds, patterns that could barely be corrected. On the other hand, how many people have broken factory gearsets? If this were a common issue, of course people would shy away from this axle.

I'm not taking sides in the debate over aftermarket 33 spline stock replacements. You could get an entire 14 bolt or other monster rear end for less than shafts would run, and probably have a longer life of the entire axle.

I just gotta stick up for this axle some because in hybrid form it should prove stronger than toyotas or 44s. Nobody said we were building 60 killers.

-Mark

[yotajeep]

i just broke another rear axle shaft a week ago on 36 iroks, did the same break point, but this time i had 1 wheel drive in the rear which was a bonus, and once i took everything apart the bearing was toast again and the carrier was mangled pretty good at the same spot to lesser extent, ya i already put my toyota diff back in, no point in wasting my time with those weak nissans, it broke when i wasnt even wheel hopping that bad. toyota stock rear shafts seem way stronger, but i may upgrade my stock ones to chromos anyway.

[nissanrondo]

[QUOTE=I dont really want to argue about the ford 9" axle. It is and has been for over 40 years the strongest half ton axle ever made. It is used behind high horsepower race cars and high dollar 4wd vehicles for a long time. Rock racers and rock crawlers alike prefer the 9" to any other axle almost everytime. The ring and pinion is stronger in design then a dana 60. So next time you see a HI9, spidertraxx 9", ballistic fab9", Ruff stuff 9", Diomond 9", or any of the other $8,000 9" axles on a rock rig please tell the owner yourself that its going to blow up on him. Whom ever is setting the gears on the 9" axles you have seen "blow" should go back to school. Do your research people![/QUOTE]

oh, okay. so you are saying a ford 9 is a great axle because it can be mod'd with a custom housing, custom shafts, custom outers, and custom 3rd member. so what's not custom, the ring/pinion? If i did the same shat to the nissan H233B and only used the ring/pinion, would you all the sudden like it
i stand by my Ford 9 hate. Just 'cause they were used for 40 years in junkers around the country doesn't mean anything. people used what was available. and it's not the setup that likes to blow up btw. it's the material around the 3rd member that cracks up. that's why i've heard of some who make a new casting. So that makes it a custom axle all the sudden really.
I wouldn't bag on a nissan owner who upgraded the shafts in his for more strength if that's what mitigates the weak point.

[nissancrawler]

Originally Posted by nissanrondo

I wouldn't brag on the Ford 9. I've seen a share of them explode the 3rd members and i'm no fan. I ran one myself on my YJ that twisted the splines. I will not run this axle again. On the yota axle however: my best wheeling pal has run his stock 92 yota rear axle on his crawler with ARBs and 37s for years without issue. i'm amazed at how much abuse it has taken. Over the hardest trails in Montrose, Moab, etc

everybody knows the stock third members, and the cheaper aftermarket ones will go on a 9". BUT, good ones are available. Good gears are available, good lockers are available. Good housings are available, good brakes are available, full float is available.

Yes, it's possible to get a nissan axle built to the same level, but it will cost you 3x as much to do so, only comes in one width, AND you will still be highly limited on gearing that runs out for anything over 35's, and you will have an axle that nobody wants when it's time to get rid of it.

If somebody wants to do it to do it, fine. from a practical standpoint, it just doesn't make sense, though.

[nissannut]

I have to agree with NissanRondo. If you replace everything its not a ford 9" anymore.

I still love my h233s. I would still buy chromolys also. I love the plug and play disc brake axles. Still never had any issues with a h233 in the numerous nissans I have owned since 1985. I have blown up a few h190s back in my younger days in 620 and 720s. But that was only spiders gears.

I still want a h233 hi pinion or low pinion front axle. But that would not be cost effective yet. But if and when they make custom housing to run h233 thirds with dana 44 outers. That would be awesome!!!

[boardbysled]

Originally Posted by nissannut

I still want a h233 hi pinion or low pinion front axle. But that would not be cost effective yet. But if and when they make custom housing to run h233 thirds with dana 44 outers. That would be awesome!!!

Why not run 60 outers? I mean if your gonna build a hybrid axle, may as well build it as tough as you can. My $0.02

I have tinkered with the idea of building a full float H233b using 14 bolt hubs and spindles and 14 bolt axle shafts splined down, then using a 33 spline H233b, it would not be that tough, an could be done for relativley low price. Ballistic Fab now sells weld in chromolly spindles. It always comes back to the gearing, if gears were cheaper, this hybrid axle may be a bit more affordable.

And if someone made a aftermarket housing for using a H233b third member, it would be just as easy to build a hybrid front axle.

[nissannut]

I am not that familiar with the dana 60 stuff. I like the 6 lug stuff.

Have you seen this h233 front?

http://ruggedrocksoffroad.com/blog/2...le-by-diamond/

[nissancrawler]

Originally Posted by nissannut

I am not that familiar with the dana 60 stuff. I like the 6 lug stuff.

Have you seen this h233 front?

http://ruggedrocksoffroad.com/blog/2...le-by-diamond/

I have 6 lug dana 60 outers front and rear.

[berardj]

Originally Posted by nissannut

I have to agree with NissanRondo. If you replace everything its not a ford 9" anymore.

I still love my h233s. I would still buy chromolys also. I love the plug and play disc brake axles. Still never had any issues with a h233 in the numerous nissans I have owned since 1985. I have blown up a few h190s back in my younger days in 620 and 720s. But that was only spiders gears.

I still want a h233 hi pinion or low pinion front axle. But that would not be cost effective yet. But if and when they make custom housing to run h233 thirds with dana 44 outers. That would be awesome!!!

i would love love love a 233 front axle... HP only tho

[sasfrontier]

They don't make a hp third for the h233. You could flip one if you were going to go with mog outers but then the gearing would be to much.

[nissannut]

Originally Posted by sasfrontier

They don't make a hp third for the h233. You could flip one if you were going to go with mog outers but then the gearing would be to much.

Sure Nissan does. They having been using solid axles in the front of the Patrols for years. Still do today. Just not in the US.

[markrobinson]

Originally Posted by nissannut

I am not that familiar with the dana 60 stuff. I like the 6 lug stuff.

Have you seen this h233 front?

http://ruggedrocksoffroad.com/blog/2...le-by-diamond/

That's a Toyota axle in the pic. The axle doesn't exist, it's a pipe dream that dude is trying to build buzz for so people will want them and get diamond's attention.

Here's my h233b front in progress:



60 outers are the way to go.

[markrobinson]

here's some steering progress and the truss on the above axle.

[nissannut]

Very cool mark!!! Yeah there is no diamond version. Just an idea, that could it could be done. I like the look of the h233 personally.

[SteeevO]

http://ruggedrocksoffroad.com/nissan...e-p-36077.html

[stimpy]

you can get a h260 with 35 spline and a 37 spline also one is a full floater here is oz

[SteeevO]

What did the 37 spline ones come in?

[XterraGuy]

There are no gears of note for the H260, they have less clearance, and as I understand it they're pretty darn heavy vs. an H233.

[RMP&O]

Originally Posted by stimpy

you can get a h260 with 35 spline and a 37 spline also one is a full floater here is oz

And in select markets in the world the H233 was sold as a FF.

And if Nissan axles are junk why is it that 80-90% of all race trucks in Oz run them?

[XterraGuy]

There were FF 31-spline H233s in the USA under the dually 1-ton Hardbody trucks from the 80s.

[nissannut]

Originally Posted by XterraGuy

There were FF 31-spline H233s in the USA under the dually 1-ton Hardbody trucks from the 80s.

88 and 89. I drove a few when I worked at a few dealers delivering parts in 1989. The dealers used them for Wholesale Body part deliveries and engines. They raised up the rear which screwed up the Nissan braking (NLSV) and the rear brakes would wear out real fast. So I think thats why they did not last long.

[87pathbuildup]

So are there any 31 spline chromo shafts in production?