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Old 11-15-2011, 02:57 PM   #1 (permalink)
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9mm 1911 options?

Trust me I've already heard the "It's not a real 1911 if it isn't a .45" from my friends But I'm trying to standardize my ammunition so I only have to buy one caliber. Besides, a box of .45 is... ooof

Anyway ever since I got bit by the handgun bug I've been trying to cover my bases with the little bit of spare cash that I manage to save. So far I've got couple of the bases covered.

Concealed - Kel-Tec PF9
Shoot stuff and doesn't care what kinda ammo it takes - Hi Point 9mm

Now, I'd just like a nice gun to have around the house and shoot comfortably. I've done the polymer gun thing with the Kel-Tec and the Hi-Point. Now I'd like to have something that feels a little more solid. So I decided to go with a 1911 in a 9mm.

Well needless to say there's a bunch of options and I'm a bit blown away.

There's the Rock Island Armory version.

The Taurus PT1911

Then you have Kimber and Para, or I can buy a Fusion Firearms parts kit.

Quite frankly gentlemen I'm a bit loss. Sure the RIA and Taurus version are cheaper but I want something that is smooth and functions nice. But surely I can get something that does fine and doesn't cost $1,200 like the Kimber or the Para.

So what say the the PBB OSR? Can you recommend me a 9mm 1911?
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For a lower priced 1911, I'm liking the RIAs. You can smooth the rough points, and those seems to be fewer now.
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FWIW, I had a Star (astra?) 9mm 1911 clone for years that was reliable as hell. It literally rode under my grandpa's tractor seat for 15-20 years. He probably shot 3000 rounds before he passed it on to me.
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I have a Star as well, I thought it was a little scaled down on size. Been 5 years since I looked at it though
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Old 11-15-2011, 03:52 PM   #5 (permalink)
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STI Trojan would be what I'd get (or a Spartan).

Going cheap, one of the Armscor based guns. RIA sure.

Springfield perhaps.

Kimber and Para both suck.

Star is ancient history.

A CZ pattern gun would be worth looking at for a steel 9mm range blaster. The Armalite AR24 or a real CZ75B. I'd avoid the EAA Witness.

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Rock island armory would be my first choice if I could not afford to buy a colt.


I would skip the rest.
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Centerfire has pretty good pricing on the RIA stuff... looks slightly lower than Bud's.
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There is only one excuse for a 9mm 1911.

To make 7.62x25mm 1911s out of.

Otherwise it is faggotry.
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or 9x23 Winchester
EDIT: actually, I'll go ahead and say it. 9x23 Winchester > 7.62x25

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I have one of these, and like it a lot. Not my picture though.


SA Loaded 1911 A-1 in 9mm



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Colt 1911 combat comander. They came in 9mm.
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Or you could do what i did. Get a CZ75. I went with the SP01, but there are other models with nicer triggers. I also happen to have a CZ75 SAO, trigger is pretty nice on it, but not as nice as a tuned 1911 trigger.

One more option would be a Browning high power. If you are going with a 9mm might as well get higher capacity magazines. I have 18 round and 19 round mags for my CZ75's.
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I'm very new to guns(so take my advise for what it is... the blind leading the blind)... but I haven't seen any 1911s chambered for 9mm that are all accurate, reliable, and have good build quality. They were meant for the .45ACP cartridge... John Browning designed the Browning Hi-Power specifically for the 9mm... I doubt he would have gone out of his way to make a completely different design if it could have been built reliably on the 1911 design.

That said, there are guns out there that run fine... but it seems that the 9mm model 1911s are plagued a LOT more by potential FTF or FTE problems, etc etc.


I can't wait to get my 1911, and my next purchase will be a 9mm... but I heavily doubt it will be a 1911 design...

Have you considered a 9mm "Baby Desert Eagle" ?? I shot one that belonged to a friend of mine and it was quite nice IMO and I was reasonably accurate with it considering it was my first time shooting ever.

http://www.magnumresearch.com/Expand...ctCode=BE9915R

What about Sigs? The P250 is tempting me as well.



Again... I'm new to this shit so take what I say as just a generalized statement based on too much interweb.
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Hi-Power specifically for the 9mm... I doubt he would have gone out of his way to make a completely different design if it could have been built reliably on the 1911 design.
actually he had to. Colt owned the 1911 patents, he couldn't design the same gun for FN.
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I'm very new to guns(so take my advise for what it is... the blind leading the blind)... but I haven't seen any 1911s chambered for 9mm that are all accurate, reliable, and have good build quality. They were meant for the .45ACP cartridge... John Browning designed the Browning Hi-Power specifically for the 9mm... I doubt he would have gone out of his way to make a completely different design if it could have been built reliably on the 1911 design.

Again... I'm new to this shit so take what I say as just a generalized statement based on too much interweb.
Umm, yeah, dude.
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actually he had to. Colt owned the 1911 patents, he couldn't design the same gun for FN.
So he went and fixed all the problems the 1911 had.

Then he died and that retard assistant put the mag safety in.
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Old 11-15-2011, 07:58 PM   #18 (permalink)
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Centerfire has pretty good pricing on the RIA stuff... looks slightly lower than Bud's.
Good thing they're both located in KY.

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There is only one excuse for a 9mm 1911.

To make 7.62x25mm 1911s out of.

Otherwise it is faggotry.
I actually thought about getting a Tokarev but the ability to get ammo at Walmart at 2:00 AM on a Sunday at Walmart overrode that decision

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I'm very new to guns(so take my advise for what it is... the blind leading the blind)... but I haven't seen any 1911s chambered for 9mm that are all accurate, reliable, and have good build quality. They were meant for the .45ACP cartridge... John Browning designed the Browning Hi-Power specifically for the 9mm... I doubt he would have gone out of his way to make a completely different design if it could have been built reliably on the 1911 design.

That said, there are guns out there that run fine... but it seems that the 9mm model 1911s are plagued a LOT more by potential FTF or FTE problems, etc etc.


I can't wait to get my 1911, and my next purchase will be a 9mm... but I heavily doubt it will be a 1911 design...

Have you considered a 9mm "Baby Desert Eagle" ?? I shot one that belonged to a friend of mine and it was quite nice IMO and I was reasonably accurate with it considering it was my first time shooting ever.

http://www.magnumresearch.com/Expand...ctCode=BE9915R

What about Sigs? The P250 is tempting me as well.

Again... I'm new to this shit so take what I say as just a generalized statement based on too much interweb.
I actually considered a high power. At $822 (buds quoted price) it's not horrible but I want the 1911 features. I love the safety systems on the 1911. Accuracy has concerned me and I did discuss it with a friend of mine who had a few different 1911's and he said if I'm not content with the accuracy we'll throw some wilson components at it.

The Sig, I'm not crazy about. When I buy another polymer framed pistol it'll be a Ruger P95. I got to fondle one and I fell in love. It fits my hand perfect and it's balanced awesome. Price is good as well. But... Like I said, next gun will be made out of metal.
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I don't see the point in getting a 9mm 1911. Its kind of like chosing a TBI injected 454 when you can have a modern LS1 small block that will make more power and get better gas mileage for less money............a 1911 is a big pig that has low capacity and will never run as reliably as other offerings. I know there are those that will tell you the 1911 is God's gun, but it's a 100 year old design that just isn't up to par with current offerings.

If you get a 1911, just get a .45ACP; another antiquated design that people praise to hell and back.
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I actually thought about getting a Tokarev but the ability to get ammo at Walmart at 2:00 AM on a Sunday at Walmart overrode that decision


good thing they sell 9mm barrels for tokarev's for around $60. /end sidetrack
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STI Trojan would be what I'd get (or a Spartan).

Going cheap, one of the Armscor based guns. RIA sure.

Springfield perhaps.

Kimber and Para both suck.

Star is ancient history.

A CZ pattern gun would be worth looking at for a steel 9mm range blaster. The Armalite AR24 or a real CZ75B. I'd avoid the EAA Witness.

What he said above.

STI's are really nice, and they've got a lot of experience making high end performance guns.

The Browning Hi-Powers are well built pistols, but have a suck fest of a trigger reset.

Canadian Para's were okay, but everything since then have been basket cases.

I know too many guys who've had complete dogs made by Springfield, especially in the 9mm line. Getting a 9mm to work in a 1911 frame is an art form. There are dozens of threads on the internet regarding Springfield's inability to figure out how to get the 9mm's to work reliably.

Kimber quality control has suffered as of late. Go to a few shops, and check out the barrels. A lot of guys have been complaining recently about NIB guns with rust. Their magazines have had a ton of issues too. Right off the shelf, Kimbers are beautiful, but too many of them need wrenching to get them to be perfect. Once they get wrenched on though and get the bugs worked out, they tend to be pretty sweet guns. Definitely some of the prettiest 1911's ever made. I'd consider a Kimber, but I'd look for a used one and shoot a few hundred rounds out of it before committing to buying the thing.

I'd also look into the Sig 1911 9mm pistols. Lifetime warranty and made in New Hampshire. Sig customer service kinda sucks, but they make a great product. Some guys don't like the non-traditional slide profile of Sig's original 1911 line and the exterior extractors, but both Sig and S&W have perfected the exterior extractor, and the 9mm is now offered in a traditional style Colt profile. You have the choice of either the original Sig style slide, or the line of guns with the Colt style slide.


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I own an RIA 9mm tac.

I like it alot. Cheap and fun to shoot.
The trigger breaks clean at 3lbs. The fit is great, the finish is good enough.
Sites are not a standard cut, they are close to Novak and Novak can be made to work.
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What he said above.



Sig 9mm..
pretty.

But steep. $1128 MSRP. That's a good bit more than the RIA or Taurus offerings. Looks like a really nice gun though. Would be sweet with a threaded barrel and a can on it.
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Colt 1911 combat comander. They came in 9mm.
I agree. Another thing, if you take care of a Colt the name alone will hold it's value should you ever get rid of it. Around here, Colts are bringing $200-$300 over blue book value. I know most people don't buy a gun with intentions of selling it someday but a good name is a quality investment. IMHO
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actually he had to. Colt owned the 1911 patents, he couldn't design the same gun for FN.

Good to know... thanks for that.
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