So my hunting partner had an ND last night... - Pirate4x4.Com : 4x4 and Off-Road Forum

Chris · 12-01-2011, 07:08 AM

We had been out hunting coyotes and seen absolutely nothing. He had forgotten the magazine for his gun so was carrying with one in the chamber and the safety on. I didn't know he was loaded and was walking behind him the whole night. He kept letting the gun sag and sweeping me with the barrel. I was pushing it out of the way constantly and finally I got a little irritated and told him to carry it properly or I was going home. His answer? "Well, the safety's on" I was pissed when I figured out it was chambered but I bit my tongue and told him to be more careful.

So we hunt and get back to his truck. I had cleared my rifle and was sliding it into the case in his back seat while he cleared his rifle on the tailgate. Next thing I know, BAM!. He was carrying a short barreled .308 with a brake and my ears are still ringing. I hit the dirt and when I figured out what happened, I fully went off on him. Luckily he had it pointed straight up. He swears up and down he was just taking the safety off and didn't touch the trigger. I took his gun, which used to be my gun, and smacked it around for a while seeing if it really had just "gone off". No luck. I know he hit the trigger.

We hunted a lot of days together this year and his gun handling is poor to really poor. He wants to go hunting today. I don't think so.

SilverZuk · 12-01-2011, 07:18 AM

At least he was obeying the first rule of gun safety.
"Always keep it pointed in a safe direction".

That is why it is the first rule - because discharges are incidents, not accidents when pointed in a safe direction.

MT4Runner · 12-01-2011, 07:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Chris

We had been out hunting coyotes and seen absolutely nothing. He had forgotten the magazine for his gun so was carrying with one in the chamber and the safety on. I didn't know he was loaded and was walking behind him the whole night. He kept letting the gun sag and sweeping me with the barrel. I was pushing it out of the way constantly and finally I got a little irritated and told him to carry it properly or I was going home. His answer? "Well, the safety's on" I was pissed when I figured out it was chambered but I bit my tongue and told him to be more careful.

So we hunt and get back to his truck. I had cleared my rifle and was sliding it into the case in his back seat while he cleared his rifle on the tailgate. Next thing I know, BAM!. He was carrying a short barreled .308 with a brake and my ears are still ringing. I hit the dirt and when I figured out what happened, I fully went off on him. Luckily he had it pointed straight up. He swears up and down he was just taking the safety off and didn't touch the trigger. I took his gun, which used to be my gun, and smacked it around for a while seeing if it really had just "gone off". No luck. I know he hit the trigger.

We hunted a lot of days together this year and his gun handling is poor to really poor. He wants to go hunting today. I don't think so.

Is it a Remington? 20/20 was right?

Good for you for not going with him. Should have been a wakeup call for him.
Hug your wife and kids. God was looking out for you yesterday.

You should have punched him in the face if he had been sweeping you with his muzzle, when he had his ND.

Just going off on him was the least you should do. He could have orphaned your kids and widowed your wife.

I've mentioned it before, but my FIL never knew his father due to a hunting accident. Gun safety is no accident.

BBQ with him, but don't ever go hunting with him again.

Ben Segrest · 12-01-2011, 07:26 AM

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Originally Posted by SilverZuk

At least he was obeying the second rule of gun safety.
"Always keep it pointed in a safe direction".

That is why it is the second rule - because discharges are incidents, not accidents when pointed in a safe direction.

Uh. . .

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Originally Posted by Jeff Cooper

RULE I: ALL GUNS ARE ALWAYS LOADED

RULE II: NEVER LET THE MUZZLE COVER ANYTHING YOU ARE NOT WILLING TO DESTROY

RULE III: KEEP YOUR FINGER OFF THE TRIGGER UNTIL YOUR SIGHTS ARE ON THE TARGET

RULE IV: BE SURE OF YOUR TARGET AND WHAT IS BEHIND IT

HardBodyJut · 12-01-2011, 07:33 AM

One nice feature that is showing up on more and more rifles is the bolt release while the safety is on. It prevents idiots like your hunting partner from discharging a firearm while clearing it because you don't have to take the safety off. It was one feature that I looked for when I bought my rifle. From the moment I get out of my vehicle in the morning until I get back in the evening, the safety is on, no matter how many times I load or unload it in between.

Obviously I don't go pointing it at my hunting partners during that time.

Chris · 12-01-2011, 07:36 AM

It was a Tikka. As mentioned, I took the gun, cocked it, slammed it on the tailgate, beat on it with my hands, etc and could not get it to fire. He touched the trigger, I'd bet on it.

Ben Segrest · 12-01-2011, 07:36 AM

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Originally Posted by HardBodyJut

From the moment I get out of my vehicle in the morning until I get back in the evening, the safety is on, no matter how many times I load or unload it in between.

I just don't ever unload my gun.

The Range Idiot Song (Don't Shoot) - YouTube

MT4Runner · 12-01-2011, 07:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Chris

He kept letting the gun sag and sweeping me with the barrel. I was pushing it out of the way constantly and finally I got a little irritated and told him to carry it properly or I was going home.

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Originally Posted by SilverZuk

At least he was obeying the first rule of gun safety.
"Always keep it pointed in a safe direction".

Did you miss the above part in Chris' post, Matt?

I disagree.

"Always point it in a safe direction when you accidentally pull the trigger, but sweeping it past your partner when you don't pull the trigger is OK" is not one of the gun rules.

Once is bad. Multiple sweeps is blatantly stupid.

MT4Runner · 12-01-2011, 07:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Chris

It was a Tikka.

The Rem comment was tongue-in-cheek.
I am appalled by his risking your life.

SilverZuk · 12-01-2011, 07:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Ben Segrest

Uh. . .

WV doesn't have that many rules.
Here's the rules.

Don't ever point a gun at anything you don't intend to shoot.
Don't ever shoot anything you don't intend to kill.
Don't ever kill anything you don't intend to eat.

That's how grandpa explained them.

MT4Runner · 12-01-2011, 07:55 AM

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Originally Posted by SilverZuk

WV doesn't have that many rules.
Here's the rules.

Point a gun at me or mine and get punched in the mouth, or worse.

fify

jettscott · 12-01-2011, 07:59 AM

My friend Scott and I were shooting plates on the training range for the Lafayette County Sheriff's dept. and he almost shot me in the foot. This has been way back, right after college. Scott was a deputy and got us some time on the range to settle our "I can outshoot you and your 92F with my old 1911".

Me with my pistol and one mag, Scott with his and 3 mags. Two of his came with the pistol, one was some junky aftermarket crap and held +1 more than the factory mags. Scott broke the reset cord for the plates, so we had to do it manually and while walking out, he's carrying his pistol in his right hand.

We'd had one conversation already about his failure to clear his weapon, where he pointed it, etc, that ended with me saying, "Scott, if you put me in danger one more time, I'm gonna knock the shit out of you, just be forewarned." He laughed and said OK.

I mentioned to him on the way that he should clear his weapon and he said, "What? It ain't loaded!", pointed it at the ground and pulled the trigger.

Pow, poof.

.... and a little 9mm bullet bored it's way into the ground about four inches from the side of my left foot...

... then I hit Scott as hard as I could in the head.

I reset the plates, picked my buddy up and we finished the day. Talking about it on the way home he apologized profusely, blah, blah, blah... and he ended it with, "... but you warned me, I put you in danger, and you hit me. I will never forget again.

Scott works for The Department of Homeland Security now and to this day, afaik, has never shot his partner.

When you give a warning about your health, life, and/or safety... you'd better damn well follow thru with it.

Gozuki · 12-01-2011, 08:36 AM

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Originally Posted by jettscott

Scott works for The Department of Homeland Security now and to this day, afaik, has never shot his partner.

This sentence makes me laugh, then cry.

AUBigmac · 12-01-2011, 09:23 AM

I took a good friend of mine deer hunting last year. Meet up at this truck after dark and i unload my gun, and put it in the case and set it in the back seat.

I'm stainding at the drivers door getting the reast of my gear sorted out, and buddy is standing at the back door drivers side getting ready to put his gun in the case and BOOM, he shot a hole through the rear passenger door of my brand new truck. I really should have been pissed but i was more releaved that nobody got hurt.

I can tell you that a 300WSM with a Break really hurts when it goes off in the cab of a pick up. My ears hurt for several days after that incident.

jensenkennels · 12-01-2011, 10:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Chris

He wants to go hunting today. I don't think so.

I wouldn't either, ever.

OTR · 12-01-2011, 10:33 AM

Chris.
You need a new hunting partner. One that you know has zero tolerance for and will rip anyone a new asshole for sweeping him.

Im done with school after this weekend.

k.

ecrist · 12-01-2011, 11:18 AM

You deserve to get shot if you ever go hunting with that moron again.

Gozuki · 12-01-2011, 01:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Chris

So my hunting partner had an AD last night...

Sounds negligent to me.

Chris · 12-01-2011, 01:48 PM

What the hell? Who changed the thread title?

Chris · 12-01-2011, 01:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Gozuki

Sounds negligent to me.

Sure as hell It said ND when I started it. Cute, Jon.

keeptahoewhite · 12-01-2011, 02:30 PM

I get all pissed and I think adrenaline kicks in when I see a gun pointed @ me. The first time it happened, I would have been outta there. Ok. Maybe the 2nd.

redpitbull44 · 12-01-2011, 02:56 PM

I'm glad to say that I don't have these kinds of problems with the people I interact with. If somebody shows poor gun handling skills, I usually berate them so much they choose not to be around me any more.

rocket flier · 12-01-2011, 04:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Chris

What the hell? Who changed the thread title?

You mean from "EX-hunting partner"?

058hamer · 12-01-2011, 04:15 PM

Glad you are ok. I would never hunt with him again.

PONY_DRIVER · 12-01-2011, 06:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Ben Segrest

I just don't ever unload my gun.

The Range Idiot Song (Don't Shoot) - YouTube

I can see Heefus doing that.

12-01-2011, 07:08 AM	#1 (permalink)
Chris III Join Date: Oct 2000 Member # 2032 Posts: 11,055	So my hunting partner had an ND last night... We had been out hunting coyotes and seen absolutely nothing. He had forgotten the magazine for his gun so was carrying with one in the chamber and the safety on. I didn't know he was loaded and was walking behind him the whole night. He kept letting the gun sag and sweeping me with the barrel. I was pushing it out of the way constantly and finally I got a little irritated and told him to carry it properly or I was going home. His answer? "Well, the safety's on" I was pissed when I figured out it was chambered but I bit my tongue and told him to be more careful. So we hunt and get back to his truck. I had cleared my rifle and was sliding it into the case in his back seat while he cleared his rifle on the tailgate. Next thing I know, BAM!. He was carrying a short barreled .308 with a brake and my ears are still ringing. I hit the dirt and when I figured out what happened, I fully went off on him. Luckily he had it pointed straight up. He swears up and down he was just taking the safety off and didn't touch the trigger. I took his gun, which used to be my gun, and smacked it around for a while seeing if it really had just "gone off". No luck. I know he hit the trigger. We hunted a lot of days together this year and his gun handling is poor to really poor. He wants to go hunting today. I don't think so. __________________ 07 FFL There is no "overkill". There is only "open fire" and "I need to reload"

12-01-2011, 07:18 AM	#2 (permalink)
SilverZuk Hillbilly Houndsman Join Date: Aug 2002 Member # 13420 Location: Kenna, West Virginia Posts: 6,824	At least he was obeying the first rule of gun safety. "Always keep it pointed in a safe direction". That is why it is the first rule - because discharges are incidents, not accidents when pointed in a safe direction. __________________ The penalty for punching someone in the mouth is way too high in our society. www.MountaineerOffroad.com

12-01-2011, 07:33 AM	#5 (permalink)
HardBodyJut Registered User Join Date: Jul 2006 Member # 75499 Location: Fort McMurray, Alberta Posts: 77	One nice feature that is showing up on more and more rifles is the bolt release while the safety is on. It prevents idiots like your hunting partner from discharging a firearm while clearing it because you don't have to take the safety off. It was one feature that I looked for when I bought my rifle. From the moment I get out of my vehicle in the morning until I get back in the evening, the safety is on, no matter how many times I load or unload it in between. Obviously I don't go pointing it at my hunting partners during that time. __________________ Justin When I moved to Alberta the first thing I did was buy a truck and a gun.

12-01-2011, 07:36 AM	#6 (permalink)
Chris III Join Date: Oct 2000 Member # 2032 Posts: 11,055	It was a Tikka. As mentioned, I took the gun, cocked it, slammed it on the tailgate, beat on it with my hands, etc and could not get it to fire. He touched the trigger, I'd bet on it. __________________ 07 FFL There is no "overkill". There is only "open fire" and "I need to reload"

12-01-2011, 07:59 AM	#12 (permalink)
jettscott Bipedal 'Poccylyps Join Date: Jan 2008 Member # 107403 Location: Under attack and on a list. Posts: 2,818	My friend Scott and I were shooting plates on the training range for the Lafayette County Sheriff's dept. and he almost shot me in the foot. This has been way back, right after college. Scott was a deputy and got us some time on the range to settle our "I can outshoot you and your 92F with my old 1911". Me with my pistol and one mag, Scott with his and 3 mags. Two of his came with the pistol, one was some junky aftermarket crap and held +1 more than the factory mags. Scott broke the reset cord for the plates, so we had to do it manually and while walking out, he's carrying his pistol in his right hand. We'd had one conversation already about his failure to clear his weapon, where he pointed it, etc, that ended with me saying, "Scott, if you put me in danger one more time, I'm gonna knock the shit out of you, just be forewarned." He laughed and said OK. I mentioned to him on the way that he should clear his weapon and he said, "What? It ain't loaded!", pointed it at the ground and pulled the trigger. Pow, poof. .... and a little 9mm bullet bored it's way into the ground about four inches from the side of my left foot... ... then I hit Scott as hard as I could in the head. I reset the plates, picked my buddy up and we finished the day. Talking about it on the way home he apologized profusely, blah, blah, blah... and he ended it with, "... but you warned me, I put you in danger, and you hit me. I will never forget again. Scott works for The Department of Homeland Security now and to this day, afaik, has never shot his partner. When you give a warning about your health, life, and/or safety... you'd better damn well follow thru with it. __________________ "He who joyfully marches in rank and file has already earned my contempt. He has been given a large brain by mistake, since for him the spinal cord would suffice."

12-01-2011, 09:23 AM	#14 (permalink)
AUBigmac Newbie Join Date: Dec 2003 Member # 25168 Location: Birmingham, AL Posts: 51	I took a good friend of mine deer hunting last year. Meet up at this truck after dark and i unload my gun, and put it in the case and set it in the back seat. I'm stainding at the drivers door getting the reast of my gear sorted out, and buddy is standing at the back door drivers side getting ready to put his gun in the case and BOOM, he shot a hole through the rear passenger door of my brand new truck. I really should have been pissed but i was more releaved that nobody got hurt. I can tell you that a 300WSM with a Break really hurts when it goes off in the cab of a pick up. My ears hurt for several days after that incident. __________________ Never turn down a free beer unless it's the beast!!! 89 YJ, 350TBI, SM465, 203 doubler, Dana 300 60 front, 14bolt rear. 38.5 swampers

12-01-2011, 10:33 AM	#16 (permalink)
OTR Moderator Join Date: Jun 2003 Member # 20587 Location: Woodland Hills, CA Posts: 1,752	Chris. You need a new hunting partner. One that you know has zero tolerance for and will rip anyone a new asshole for sweeping him. Im done with school after this weekend. k. __________________ . Ultra4 Stock Class #4643 - Team NAXJA/Petty Cash Racing *"There's the troublemaker" - Craig Beck, BLM Ridgecrest Field Office* .

12-01-2011, 11:18 AM	#17 (permalink)
ecrist Registered User Join Date: Jul 2002 Member # 12578 Location: Sun City, AZ Posts: 609	You deserve to get shot if you ever go hunting with that moron again. __________________ Eric

12-01-2011, 01:48 PM	#19 (permalink)
Chris III Join Date: Oct 2000 Member # 2032 Posts: 11,055	What the hell? Who changed the thread title? __________________ 07 FFL There is no "overkill". There is only "open fire" and "I need to reload"

12-01-2011, 02:30 PM	#21 (permalink)
keeptahoewhite Registered User Join Date: Jul 2006 Member # 75114 Posts: 743	I get all pissed and I think adrenaline kicks in when I see a gun pointed @ me. The first time it happened, I would have been outta there. Ok. Maybe the 2nd.

12-01-2011, 04:15 PM	#24 (permalink)
058hamer Registered User Join Date: Nov 2003 Member # 24417 Location: maine Posts: 180	Glad you are ok. I would never hunt with him again.

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